canuck2xtreme Posted September 9, 2013 Author Share Posted September 9, 2013 JVR-Bozak-Kessel Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson Don't see him taking over any of those guys... And even if Kadri doesn't sign, they got Kulemin or Bolland who can play top 6 over Raymond. Not fitting in a top 6 role on one team and not being good enough for a top 6 role in the NHL are two very different things. A 3rd line of Raymond - Bolland - Kulemin has the potential to be a pretty good, 2B caliber line, which is a very good thing for the Leafs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nail Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Not fitting in a top 6 role on one team and not being good enough for a top 6 role in the NHL are two very different things. A 3rd line of Raymond - Bolland - Kulemin has the potential to be a pretty good, 2B caliber line, which is a very good thing for the Leafs. And remind me where Toronto will get the cap to sign Franson, Kadri and Raymond? They could dump off Liles, but even with that would need these guys to take discounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck2xtreme Posted September 9, 2013 Author Share Posted September 9, 2013 And remind me where Toronto will get the cap to sign Franson, Kadri and Raymond? They could dump off Liles, but even with that would need these guys to take discounts. I'm not saying he'll sign there for sure. I'm saying he's a capable NHL player who can put up 2nd line worthy points. The stats back that up. If the Leafs found room to do it, then it would be very beneficial for them to do so. And given that Raymond is just trying to earn a job, I don't really think that he'd be looking for a big contract. For the record, if they moved Liles (which they should, given his cap hit, production and how much they use him...) FORWARDS Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m) James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($3.250m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m) Mason Raymond ($1.250m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($2.800m) Jay McClement ($1.500m) / Joe Colborne ($0.600m) / Colton Orr ($0.925m) Frazer McLaren ($0.700m) / DEFENSEMEN Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m) / Jake Gardiner ($1.117m) Carl Gunnarsson ($3.150m) / Paul Ranger ($1.000m) Mark Fraser ($1.275m) / Cody Franson ($3.250m) Korbinian Holzer ($0.788m) / GOALTENDERS Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m) James Reimer ($1.800m) OTHER Buyout: Darcy Tucker ($1.000m) Buyout: Colby Armstrong ($1.000m) RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (0.778% of upper limit) Matt Frattin ($0.437m—0.5%) Ben Scrivens ($0.062m—0.1%) ------ CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,029,167; BONUSES: $300,000 CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,570,833 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primal Optimist Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Disagree. Edit: Scored 10 goals and 22 points last year, 18 goal, 40 point pace over an 82 game season. Looking at the 2011-12 season as the last full season, players in the 38-45 point range: Jeff Skinner (44 points) Mike Richards (44 points) Derek Roy (44 points) Viktor Stalberg (43 points) Mike Cammalleri (41 points) Cody Hodgson (41 points) RJ Umberger (40 points) Patrik Berglund (38 points) etc... And those players play with more offensively capable players than Max Lapierre, Dale Weise, Jordan Schroeder and Andrew Ebbett. Mason Raymond gets the short end a lot from Canucks fans, all because he didn't hit the 30+ goal expectations everyone had of him after his 25 goal season, even though he's fought through some tough injuries since then. He has his deficiencies like any other player does, but he has a lot of strengths as well. On a team with the right fit and systems that compliment his style of play, there's no reason he can't make an awful lot of people around here look pretty stupid for saying stuff like "not good enough to for top 6". Granted I feel stupid already because I didn't present a case, i just made the statement, but I will take my lumps when he proves me wrong. The one year he achieved a huge 25 goals, (*even i agree that was great) he DID play with the players who make people better, and he played with them a lot. 83 assists: Hank. 56 assists, Dank. 50 assists, Kessler, Ehrhoff and Edler: 67 assists between them, Samuelson was the anomaly as he has predominant top six minutes with very few assists..but the thing I am driving at is that was Mason's career year. The thing of him is that he is only 27, and while he has seriously benefited from being on an elite team, he does have skill, I think he is not worth putting on the 3rd line as he may not necessarily be there physically, but your right, some team of the 30 teams would likely benefit from him on the 2nd line. he was on pace for 18 goals if it was a 82 game year...and that would be the second highest total of his career, after that one year where he got 25. This will be his 7th season, so we all know he has skills, my thoughts are that they were inflated by coming up with Kesler and Burr and the twins, he benefitted from that very much, and maybe he can do so again with the leafs, or some other team in need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Mason Raymond tryout with the Leafs.... I posted this in the MayRay thread. I think we all knew this reality as soon as the CBA was signed. Agreed that I didn't think Raymond would be one of them. In fact, I think you could ice an all unsigned team right now that would be competitive enough to not finish last in the league. Raymond-Mueller-Brunner Cleary-Boyes-Prospal Morrow-Wellwood-Hedjuk Latendresse-Steckel-Larose Gagne/Daugavins Whitney-Kaberle Hainsey-White Zanon-Kuba Redden-Gilbert Thomas Bryzgalov It's certainly better than an expansion team. How would a team like this do in our league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 And remind me where Toronto will get the cap to sign Franson, Kadri and Raymond? They could dump off Liles, but even with that would need these guys to take discounts. I actually don't think it will be Liles since there is no market for him. I think it's more likely they trade another player (Phaneuf, Van Riemsdyk, Lupul?) and then resign Kadri and Franson in addition to Raymond. Or, at least, that's what I would do. But I'm no Nonis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 I actually don think it will be Liles since there is no market for him. I think it's more likely they trade another player (Phaneuf, Van Riemsdyk, Lupul?) and them resign Kadri and Franson in addition to Raymond. Or, at least, that's what I would do. But I'm no Nonis. Nonis payed Clarkson 5.25 and Bernier essentially 3.5(Reimer>Bernier, imo) This guy is lost when it comes to managing his contracts. If he can get a team to overpay for Phaneuf/Lupul that is probably the direction I would take as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Nonis payed Clarkson 5.25 and Bernier essentially 3.5(Reimer>Bernier, imo) This guy is lost when it comes to managing his contracts. If he can get a team to overpay for Phaneuf/Lupul that is probably the direction I would take as well. It doesn't even need to be an overpayment. It's an asset/cap management move. Like the Schneider deal (for which he was traded for the 9th overall pick not Horvat - this topic will bother me for a couple of decades), its a matter of allocating resources. No one player is a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 It doesn't even need to be an overpayment. It's an asset/cap management move. Like the Schneider deal (for which he was traded for the 9th overall pick not Horvat - this topic will bother me for a couple of decades), its a matter of allocating resources. No one player is a team. Fair enough. I think someone may pay up to land Phaneuf TBH. Wait, did you like the Schneider for 9th deal? If not, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Fair enough. I think someone may pay up to land Phaneuf TBH. Wait, did you like the Schneider for 9th deal? If not, why? I thought we should have gottten another asset. To me it smacked of a pressure deal. But it bugs me that it is thought of as Horvat for Schneider. We traded it for the pick, the day before ( I assume because the Canucks list through 9 was considered good, it could have been anybody but I think they wee ecstatic with Bo being there). We were going to do the deal regardless because we were confident a player we wanted was there. We traded him for the 9th hoping that a player we wanted would be there. Just so happens we got a future captain type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 I thought we should have gottten another asset. To me it smacked of a pressure deal. But it bugs me that it is thought of as Horvat for Schneider. We traded it for the pick, the day before ( I assume because the Canucks list through 9 was considered good, it could have been anybody but I think they wee ecstatic with Bo being there). We traded him for the 9th co hiding that a player we wanted wold be there. Just do happens we got a future captain type. I do believe we could have gotten another asset, but the list of teams that needed a goalie was about 5 I'd say, and limiting it to the eastern conference I'd probably say 2 or 3, of those two or three teams, would we be getting a better asset than Bo? I doubt it, but I am a HUGE fan of Bo. Sure, had we dealt him to Edmonton we could've gotten another prospect and a pick (lets assume Musil and a 2nd), do you think it's worth keeping him in the division for Musil and a 2nd? Personally I say no, I can understand if you think otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 I do believe we could have gotten another asset, but the list of teams that needed a goalie was about 5 I'd say, and limiting it to the eastern conference I'd probably say 2 or 3, of those two or three teams, would we be getting a better asset than Bo? I doubt it, but I am a HUGE fan of Bo. Sure, had we dealt him to Edmonton we could've gotten another prospect and a pick (lets assume Musil and a 2nd), do you think it's worth keeping him in the division for Musil and a 2nd? Personally I say no, I can understand if you think otherwise. Man, I've been watching Musil a lot. He isn't what I would go for. MPS should have been the target but with the Perron deal it makes a whole lot more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Man, I've been watching Musil a lot. He isn't what I would go for. MPS solid have been the target but with the Perron deal it makes a whe lot more sense. Yeah I am not a big fan as well. If the deal was with a MPS or Klefbom I may reconsider, but I am still not sure it would be worth it to be honest... Regardless I am very happy with BOOOOO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primal Optimist Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 I thought we should have gottten another asset. To me it smacked of a pressure deal. But it bugs me that it is thought of as Horvat for Schneider. We traded it for the pick, the day before ( I assume because the Canucks list through 9 was considered good, it could have been anybody but I think they wee ecstatic with Bo being there). We were going to do the deal regardless because we were confident a player we wanted was there. We traded him for the 9th hoping that a player we wanted would be there. Just so happens we got a future captain type. To say it wasn't a pressure deal would be understating it. No matter what relief valve deal was finally made regarding both Lu and Cory, it would have been a pressure deal. I am happy with the way it worked out though, and it was a better option than trading Lu for much less due to the length of and dollars paid annually on his deal. Keeping in mind the deal was pre CBA, and I don't blame MG as much as some others do for the deal. It was what kept Lu here, and Lu was and is the first and only non 'graveyard' goalie we have had in franchise history. I added them up once and between Kirk and Lu there were 27 netminders, if memory serves me right. Glad to have had one solid guy for as long as have had so far, and I hope to see him get his head around being here for years more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Romo Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Carolina would like to release mika kiprusoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y0shi Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Carolina would like to release mika kiprusoff About time eh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion Phaneuf Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 The Cleary watch has begun. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 New Jersey Devils 2013 / 2014 Training Camp Roster Forwards Andersson, Joakim Blueger, Theodor Burakovsky, Andre Camper, Carter Crus Ryberg, Viktor Ebbett, Andrew Flanagan, Kyle Fraser, Colin Greening, Colin Guptill, Alexander Hagelin, Carl Herbert, Caleb Janmark-Nylen, Mattias Kitsyn, Maxim Kopitar, Anze Kruger, Marcus Kuhnhackl, Tom Laich, Brooks Lucic, Milan Miller, J.T. Nermark, Joachim Nieves, Cristoval Ovechkin, Alexander Palmieri, Kyle Persson, John Peverley, Rich Prokhorkin, Nikolai Pulkkinen, Teemu Ribeiro, Mike Salomaki, Miikka Soderberg, Carl Wennberg, Alexander Yogan, Andrew Defensemen Anderssen, Calle Backman, Mattias Carlson. John Engelland, Deryk Gostisbehere, Shayne Grzelcyk, Matt Gustafsson, Erik Harrington, Scott Hillen, Jack Irwin, Matt Kolomatis, David Kronwall, Niklas Krug, Torey Kundratek, Tomas Leddy, Nick Marshall, Ben Reinhart, Griffin Sproul, Ryan Theodore, Shea Goaltenders Grubauer, Philipp Holtby, Braden Kinkaid, Keith Neuvirth, Michal Soberg, Steffen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primal Optimist Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 ^ New York Rangers scouts can confirm that the Devils have not breached the 50 contract rule, as their unsigned prospects are in camp as well. (*admittedly we went to the team sheet to check for ourselves, lol...alls fair in love and fantasy sports!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck2xtreme Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 @C2X any decisions on this coming season's hockey pool platform? If it's open to voting I definitely want to try Fantrax or something equivalent with more options than Pickuphockey. Wallstreet has more insight on this. I know it takes some time to manage or setup so I'm more than happy to volunteer if needed. Just saw this post when going through the thread for updates I've missed. Right now the odds are on using pickup for one more season. I've spoken to their group about adding a few features (i.e. hits, blocked shots, revised playoff format etc.) and they seemed receptive so we'll have to see. There's definitely room for improvement, which is what we are working towards. Of the 4 I tested out last year, pickup was the one that seemed to work best with the parameters we currently have. Perhaps it's familiarity with pickup, I don't know. Of course I'd like to be able to add hits and blocked shots as well and don't really understand why pickup doesn't have that option. A few others were far too frustrating. Fantrax itself was a nightmare to set up and way more complicated than it needs to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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