theminister Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Two countries have marijuana legalized.North Korea and Cambodia.Do you really think there are accurate stats from two countries like that?Again, you're getting "legalization" and "decriminalization" confused.Huge, huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 There will be crime whether or not marijuana is legal. I am more concerned about health issues. The proponents are lying when they say pot is harmless. They are doing exactly what the cigarette makers in the 1940's and 1950's say about cigarettes; that they were harmless. They even had doctors endorsing the product. The pot dealers are selling you a product. It is like any other product, they tell you what is good about it. If it is bad no one will buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 There will be crime whether or not marijuana is legal. I am more concerned about health issues. The proponents are lying when they say pot is harmless. They are doing exactly what the cigarette makers in the 1940's and 1950's say about cigarettes; that they were harmless. They even had doctors endorsing the product. The pot dealers are selling you a product. It is like any other product, they tell you what is good about it. If it is is bad no one will buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockout Casualty Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 There will be crime whether or not marijuana is legal. I am more concerned about health issues. The proponents are lying when they say pot is harmless. They are doing exactly what the cigarette makers in the 1940's and 1950's say about cigarettes; that they were harmless. They even had doctors endorsing the product. The pot dealers are selling you a product. It is like any other product, they tell you what is good about it. If it is is bad no one will buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 And that means your argument is worthless also. You have no proof also that countries that have LEGALIZED marijuana have reduced crime and addiction rates. We'll see if it happens but I have a pretty damn good feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 I hate this "Marijuana is no more harmful than Alcohol or Cigarettes" argument.Alcohol and Cigarettes are harmful. Very harmful. Why bring in ANOTHER harmful substance that can A: Act as a gateway drug (Don't care if you don't believe it, the facts tell it)B: Be as harmful as Alcohol and Cigarettes can..Sure, I'll give you that it has some medicinal uses, but it should be restricted to medicinal use only.Everyone who uses marijuana for pleasure is using it to just feel the effects of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Marijuana isn't harmless, but neither is oxygen. It is orders of magnitude lower than other legalized substances on the health impact scale, or any other scale. Pot isn't some new kid on the block with no research, as much as that gets in the way of your ideological ramblings about its harmful effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockout Casualty Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Blowing smoke into your lungs is not natural. There are plenty of studies that show how harmful pot is. The pot advocates are lying through their teeth. And people like like you are buying their BS. It just shows how ignorant some people are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Obviously I mean charging someone for possession of marijuana. I'm fully aware you can acquire it pretty damn easily here. If people have a fear that marijuana is illegal and they can be charged if they're caught with it, they're much less likely to go on to that next drug. Who wants to be slapped with meth possession or coke possession? Much harsher than Marijuana but people will realize that taking it can come with consequences.I definitely see it as a criminal issue, as again, It's a gateway drug.Gateway drug = Introducing some users to harsher forms of the drugs + Increasing cartel profits from selling said harsher drug to addicts. Legalizing marijuana will NOT hurt cartel profits as much as some people think it will.Easy to acquire, legal marijuana will in turn want people craving more heavy substances therefore putting much more money into the pockets of cartels/gangs who produce the much more profitable coke, meth, you name it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Going to the dentist isn't natural, you nincompoop. Plenty? What's stopping you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Study Ties Marijuana Use in Adolescence to Permanent Brain Abnormalities Benita Matilda First Posted: Jul 25, 2013 04:15 AM EDT Study Ties Marijuana Use in Adolescence to Permanent Brain Abnormalities (Photo : Reuters) Most of America's youth get hooked on marijuana at a very early age. The use of marijuana is definitely problematic but it rarely leads to addiction. A new study cautions those young kids who have been pot smokers for a long time and sheds light on the long-term effects of marijuana use. The new study reveals that regular use of marijuana in adolescence may permanently damage the brain and doubles the risk of developing serious psychiatric disorders such as schizophrenia. "Over the past 20 years, there has been a major controversy about the long-term effects of marijuana, with some evidence that use in adolescence could be damaging," says the study's senior author Asaf Keller, Ph.D., Professor of Anatomy and Neurobiology at the University of Maryland School of Medicine. Prior to this, other studies have revealed that those children who start using marijuana before the age of 16 face an elevated risk of developing permanent cognitive deficits and the chances of psychiatric disorders like schizophrenia also doubles. Mostly it is a genetic susceptibility, and using marijuana during adolescence worsens the condition. According to Sylvina Mullins, the lead author of the study, the use of marijuana especially during adolescence which is a critical period can be very damaging. Through this study researchers wanted to determine the real permanent health risks of regular marijuana use. The study was conducted on mice, in which the researchers examined the cortical oscillations - patterns of the activity of neurons in the brain and they underlie various brain functions. In people with psychiatric disorders and schizophrenia the oscillations are extremely abnormal. In this study 20 young mice were exposed to extremely low doses of active ingredient in marijuana for nearly 20 days and later they were let free to join their siblings and grow normally. They noticed that adult mice that were exposed to the marijuana ingredients in adolescence, the cortical oscillations altered to a great extent and they showed impaired cognitive behavioural performance. What they found, as predicted, is that even though the young mice were exposed to low dose of the drug and that too for a short duration their brain abnormalities continued till adulthood. They again repeated the experiment on adult mice that have never been exposed to the drug, on administering the drug contents to adult mice they noticed that their ability to perform cognitive behavioural task remained normal. From this they concluded that adolescence remains a critical period. Further, they noticed that the during adolescence the frontal cortex is affected the most on exposure to the drug and this part of the brain controls executive functions like impulse control, planning etc. This area gets more affected in case of schizophrenia. Dr. Keller concludes saying, "The purpose of studying these mechanisms is to see whether we can reverse these effects. We are hoping we will learn more about schizophrenia and other psychiatric disorders, which are complicated conditions. These cognitive symptoms are not affected by medication, but they might be affected by controlling these cortical oscillations." The study was published in the journal Neuropsychopharmacology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Again, the alcohol and tobacco argument...Does tobacco alter you the way marijuana does? Not even close.Alcohol, in larger quantities, can impair you so take tobacco out of the picture.There was a reason why there was a prohibition. Alcohol is very harmful. Do you see cartels selling alcohol? No, because it's legal. If it was illegal, you damn well know the cartels would be all over it. Marijuana has more of a chance of acting as a gateway as most alcohol needs to be consumed in a pretty big quantity to achieve a "high".Where as marijuana, one puff pretty much and you already have your high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockout Casualty Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Study Ties Marijuana Use in Adolescence to Permanent Brain Abnormalities Benita Matilda First Posted: Jul 25, 2013 04:15 AM EDT Study Ties Marijuana Use in Adolescence to Permanent Brain Abnormalities (Photo : Reuters) Most of America's youth get hooked on marijuana at a very early age. The use of marijuana is definitely problematic but it rarely leads to addiction. A new study cautions those young kids who have been pot smokers for a long time and sheds light on the long-term effects of marijuana use. The new study reveals that regular use of marijuana in adolescence may permanently damage the brain and doubles the risk of developing serious psychiatric disorders such as schizophrenia. "Over the past 20 years, there has been a major controversy about the long-term effects of marijuana, with some evidence that use in adolescence could be damaging," says the study's senior author Asaf Keller, Ph.D., Professor of Anatomy and Neurobiology at the University of Maryland School of Medicine. Prior to this, other studies have revealed that those children who start using marijuana before the age of 16 face an elevated risk of developing permanent cognitive deficits and the chances of psychiatric disorders like schizophrenia also doubles. Mostly it is a genetic susceptibility, and using marijuana during adolescence worsens the condition. According to Sylvina Mullins, the lead author of the study, the use of marijuana especially during adolescence which is a critical period can be very damaging. Through this study researchers wanted to determine the real permanent health risks of regular marijuana use. The study was conducted on mice, in which the researchers examined the cortical oscillations - patterns of the activity of neurons in the brain and they underlie various brain functions. In people with psychiatric disorders and schizophrenia the oscillations are extremely abnormal. In this study 20 young mice were exposed to extremely low doses of active ingredient in marijuana for nearly 20 days and later they were let free to join their siblings and grow normally. They noticed that adult mice that were exposed to the marijuana ingredients in adolescence, the cortical oscillations altered to a great extent and they showed impaired cognitive behavioural performance. What they found, as predicted, is that even though the young mice were exposed to low dose of the drug and that too for a short duration their brain abnormalities continued till adulthood. They again repeated the experiment on adult mice that have never been exposed to the drug, on administering the drug contents to adult mice they noticed that their ability to perform cognitive behavioural task remained normal. From this they concluded that adolescence remains a critical period. Further, they noticed that the during adolescence the frontal cortex is affected the most on exposure to the drug and this part of the brain controls executive functions like impulse control, planning etc. This area gets more affected in case of schizophrenia. Dr. Keller concludes saying, "The purpose of studying these mechanisms is to see whether we can reverse these effects. We are hoping we will learn more about schizophrenia and other psychiatric disorders, which are complicated conditions. These cognitive symptoms are not affected by medication, but they might be affected by controlling these cortical oscillations." The study was published in the journal Neuropsychopharmacology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockout Casualty Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Hey, we should legalize and keep it out of the hands of children, like we do with alcohol. You're awesome for supporting legalization with such strong arguments as this. Children shouldn't have easy access to marijuana, it is for adult use only. Have a plus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Study Ties Marijuana Use in Adolescence to Permanent Brain Abnormalities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Right. Kids should not smoke weed. Neither should they smoke tobacco or drink alcohol. All factors are equal in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 I see kids smoking cigarettes all the time. Go to your nearest high school. Cigarettes are not supposed to be sold to kids. But they can get easy access to it. If pot is legal, they will get it even more easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 No, because I'm not young and naive.Many young people/adolescents today are looking for ways to get high to have a "good time".If they had an experience with marijuana and are peer pressured / want a bigger or different high because marijuana was so great, don't you think they'd have a chance to consume said drugs to "fit in"?If you can't see that, I don't know what to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockout Casualty Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 I see kids smoking cigarettes all the time. Go to your nearest high school. Cigarettes are not supposed to be sold to kids. But they can get easy access to it. If pot is legal, they will get it even more easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 No, because I'm not young and naive.Many young people/adolescents today are looking for ways to get high to have a "good time".If they had an experience with marijuana and are peer pressured / want a bigger or different high because marijuana was so great, don't you think they'd have a chance to consume said drugs to "fit in"?If you can't see that, I don't know what to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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