elvis15 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Well that's the thing with prospects and I think you're missing the point. Prospects have potential and that's the risk-reward you get by trading for one. Edler has already past his potential and he has solidified his tendencies and habits while a prospect can learn...thus why a top prospect like Mantha is unproven like every other prospect but the potential is why teams are willing to trade NHLers for prospects.. I get that, but is the risk/reward for Mantha worth Edler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Actually your wrong http://www.nhl.com/i...s.htm?id=700357 So you answered both my questions with one link? By the way, how'd McDavid do at the WJHC? He must have done as well as Mantha, right? Maybe he was on his line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 I get that, but is the risk/reward for Mantha worth Edler? Did you not see him at the world juniors he totally carried our team offensively, he is also a big body with a great skating and speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I get that, but is the risk/reward for Mantha worth Edler? Mantha is a stud lol, and really I think it is. Edler is a top 10 point producing dman in the league, don't get me wrong, but he's lost his touch here but other teams still value him highly cause his production. One of those cases where a change of scenery is best for both the team and player and he's making too many mistakes for us, doing more harm than good. ...Mantha slipped real bad in the draft and Wings got a massive steal...I was all over this kid for Nucks to get but damn wings took him lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 So you answered both my questions with one link? mantha was on the third line and wasn't with mcdavid the whole tournament and earned his way onto a line with drouin by the end. He was leading the tournament in goals before he even got put on a line with droiun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Mantha is a stud lol, and really I think it is. Edler is a top 10 point producing dman in the league, don't get me wrong, but he's lost his touch here but other teams still value him highly cause his production. One of those cases where a change of scenery is best for both the team and player and he's making too many mistakes for us, doing more harm than good. ...Mantha slipped real bad in the draft and Wings got a massive steal...I was all over this kid for Nucks to get but damn wings took him lol. we need to show him mantha's wjc highlights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Did you not see him at the world juniors he totally carried our team offensively, he is also a big body with a great skating and speed. Jordan Schroeder has the most points ever for the US world junior team. Does that mean he should be able to get us back Girardi in a trade? Mantha is a stud lol, and really I think it is. Edler is a top 10 point producing dman in the league, don't get me wrong, but he's lost his touch here but other teams still value him highly cause his production. One of those cases where a change of scenery is best for both the team and player and he's making too many mistakes for us, doing more harm than good. ...Mantha slipped real bad in the draft and Wings got a massive steal...I was all over this kid for Nucks to get but damn wings took him lol. He slipped for some reason, maybe it isn't enough to worry about him not succeeding the in the NHL but he slipped nonetheless. Look, I'm not saying Mantha's crap, nor that Mantha can't even become a good player in the NHL. I am saying he doesn't have enough going for him in my opinion that he'd be worth trading Edler for without getting anything else back. The risk outweighs the reward for me. If you have the opinion he's as valuable as Edler (allowing for the modicum of value Quincy adds as a pending UFA depth defenceman) then I encourage either of you to float that past the next GM you meet. Better yet, tweet it to Gillis and see if he can make it happen for you if he agrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Jordan Schroeder has the most points ever for the US world junior team. Does that mean he should be able to get us back Girardi in a trade? He slipped for some reason, maybe it isn't enough to worry about him not succeeding the in the NHL but he slipped nonetheless. Look, I'm not saying Mantha's crap, nor that Mantha can't even become a good player in the NHL. I am saying he doesn't have enough going for him in my opinion that he'd be worth trading Edler for without getting anything else back. The risk outweighs the reward for me. If you have the opinion he's as valuable as Edler (allowing for the modicum of value Quincy adds as a pending UFA depth defenceman) then I encourage either of you to float that past the next GM you meet. Better yet, tweet it to Gillis and see if he can make it happen for you if he agrees. Shinkaruk slipped too that has nothing to do with a players skill and more to do with player team fit. Mantha can really fit on our team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Shinkaruk slipped too that has nothing to do with a players skill and more to do with player team fit. Mantha can really fit on our team I disagree that it's that simple or that Mantha is such a good fit to be worth Edler. You're stretching to make it worthwhile. Here's something you should try. Take the same proposal and post it on a Detroit forum for their fans to rate the value. Tell me if they think Edler is worth Mantha straight up or if they feel they'd have to add (more than Quincy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrChill Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I think this is a good idea. I think you could get a little more for Edler. To Detroit Edler 3rd To Vancouver Quincy Mantha 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon4401 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Talked to a friend of mine that's a Detroit fan and agreed it would be stupid of the Wings to trade Mantha...Try looking for what they have/need and not just our own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kuze Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Alex edler Gaunce for Blake wheeler Sign Callhan Buy out Booth sedin sedin burr cally kes wheeler Higgins horvat kassian santo Richie sesti/hansen Archibald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueberries Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Edler has a huge trade value around the league, we could easily get more. Im thinking of snatching some ready young talent like from COL/FLA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Edler has a huge trade value around the league, we could easily get more. Im thinking of snatching some ready young talent like from COL/FLA. Apparently though from the sounds of things we'd have to offer a 1st with edler just to get John Scott.... Not sure how people are quick to tear down our players value yet decide players with lesser skill sets or less accolades or career achievements are worth more on other teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrChill Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Alex edler Gaunce for Blake wheeler Sign Callhan Buy out Booth sedin sedin burr cally kes wheeler Higgins horvat kassian santo Richie sesti/hansen Archibald Edler is worth Wheeler on his own, and I doubt he waives NTC to go to the peg. Not a cup team and not much draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Talked to a friend of mine that's a Detroit fan and agreed it would be stupid of the Wings to trade Mantha...Try looking for what they have/need and not just our own Detroit's already said they aren't looking to trade their youth, but if they want to make a move for a piece they covet then moving one of those pieces wouldn't be so bad. What did he say about the honest value between the two (no what it'd take from the Canucks to convince Detroit to move Mantha)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 Detroit's already said they aren't looking to trade their youth, but if they want to make a move for a piece they covet then moving one of those pieces wouldn't be so bad. What did he say about the honest value between the two (no what it'd take from the Canucks to convince Detroit to move Mantha)? They have been after edler for awhile now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 I think this is a good idea. I think you could get a little more for Edler. To Detroit Edler 3rd To Vancouver Quincy Mantha 1st Edler has a huge trade value around the league, we could easily get more. Im thinking of snatching some ready young talent like from COL/FLA. Considering gillis's reputation around the league and how people never give us fair value in trades I think this is as realistic as it gets. The schneider trade proved this. I am still scratching my head for how little we got for him but that's just they way it is with us right now. However after watching yesterday's game I realized how important edler is to our team. And it's much harder to find players like him compared to mantha. He is very valuable to our team and not redundant at all in our defense. I'd rather not trade him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon4401 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Detroit's already said they aren't looking to trade their youth, but if they want to make a move for a piece they covet then moving one of those pieces wouldn't be so bad. What did he say about the honest value between the two (no what it'd take from the Canucks to convince Detroit to move Mantha)? He does think Edler with Kronwall would be sick hes thinking Tatar or Nyquist b prospect and a 1st As per Mantha he does not want to lose him since he is an ace prospect in their system will become a very dangerous player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share Posted February 2, 2014 He does think Edler with Kronwall would be sick hes thinking Tatar or Nyquist b prospect and a 1st As per Mantha he does not want to lose him since he is an ace prospect in their system will become a very dangerous player I think maybe Edler for kronwall and mantha is better capwise (we take back more cap) but detroit would never do it so quincy is better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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