How Much Power Does Chris Gear Have?

[the grinder]

1 hour ago, Lazurus said:

You take that 3 mil qw qn excuse, Ill take the other 20 mil in planned expenses, yo know the one's that he developed.

Covid, flat cap? He didn't have a plan for an increase of 10% other wise he would have been negotiating with Tanev, Toffoli and Markstrom long before the end of the season and even with them not signing they are still over the cap., Who get the blame for that? God?

 

Well there are 8 mil in last years salary gone now, Markstrom and Tanev.

what  excuse it is a fact  there is 3 million wasted on loungo , lol didnt have a plan ? what gm planned for covid ?  how could anyone negotiate with the season on pause , and by the time the season got back to play , it was the playoffs  , and there is a plan to insert young players in the line up  there will be some on d this year .

so u want benning to sign marky at 6 for 6 for a full ntc then ??? and tanev at 4.5    for 4 years  , ya too bad we didnt have a extra 3 million available 

 

so whats your excuse for not answering the question of what do you want the team to be doing because you keep dodging the question  

 

[Lazurus]

46 minutes ago, the grinder said:

what  excuse it is a fact  there is 3 million wasted on loungo , lol didnt have a plan ? what gm planned for covid ?  how could anyone negotiate with the season on pause , and by the time the season got back to play , it was the playoffs  , and there is a plan to insert young players in the line up  there will be some on d this year .

so u want benning to sign marky at 6 for 6 for a full ntc then ??? and tanev at 4.5    for 4 years  , ya too bad we didnt have a extra 3 million available 

 

so whats your excuse for not answering the question of what do you want the team to be doing because you keep dodging the question  

 

Soo......it all God's fault.

 

Toffoli cost - A prospect, the best they had Madden, a 2nd rnd pick and possible 4th rnd pick.

WOW Blake must have threatened him pretty bad eh? Maybe they used the same agent as Eriksson to represent them.

 

Actually Benning cannot do anything now that the unlimited money and unrestrained spending has been curtailed.

If there was any thought of the future

there would have been many TDL deals

 Even now there is no evidence to a plan to pay Hughes, Pettersson, Horvat, Miller and Boeser over the next few years. What is KNOWN is they will want raises, Boeser starts at 8.25 mil, maybe Horvat and the others will take less money to play here eh?

 

But then how do you explain the 8.25 mil starting point for Boeser's next deal? Oh well sh$t just happens and there is nothing anyne can do about it it is not the job of the garbage man to take the garbage. Lover's of a different time.

Edited October 10, 2020 by Lazurus

[Lazurus]

On 10/1/2020 at 12:40 AM, iceman64 said:

So is it worth caring about what happens since it's only going to get better?

Apparently that hiring in January had meaning.

Now Benning has to operate like 3/4 of the rest of the league, within a cap and rules

The team is getting it's finances in order, it is not hard to see.

 

Benning can still makes deals but they will take ingenuity so not much might happen. He can sit back, have a cigar and a brandy and collect his cheque or he can quit and if he quits that it in the league.

[the grinder]

On 10/10/2020 at 12:53 PM, Lazurus said:

Soo......it all God's fault.

 

Toffoli cost - A prospect, the best they had Madden, a 2nd rnd pick and possible 4th rnd pick.

WOW Blake must have threatened him pretty bad eh? Maybe they used the same agent as Eriksson to represent them.

 

Actually Benning cannot do anything now that the unlimited money and unrestrained spending has been curtailed.

If there was any thought of the future

there would have been many TDL deals

 Even now there is no evidence to a plan to pay Hughes, Pettersson, Horvat, Miller and Boeser over the next few years. What is KNOWN is they will want raises, Boeser starts at 8.25 mil, maybe Horvat and the others will take less money to play here eh?

 

But then how do you explain the 8.25 mil starting point for Boeser's next deal? Oh well sh$t just happens and there is nothing anyne can do about it it is not the job of the garbage man to take the garbage. Lover's of a different time.

  lol  ok tell us what gm saw covid coming then??? come on tell us ???   yep avoid the question for the 3 rd time  how should the team  be built then ????? 

 

madden is a 3rd round pick  no we didnt give up podi or hoglander  so stop trying to tell us madden is the next coming of gretzky , oh dimjim he cant do anything but just he picked Schmit up. again at the time boesser went down with an injury and he went out and got help at wing , like playoffs teams do ., of course  there is a plan for the core edler , benn and others are off the books, can sign a bridge deal for both players .

 

so once again with your double talk   , first your crying about madden then your crying about signing boesser , oh no he traded a 3rd rounder  oh no he signed a first round pick  so again what do you want to see from a gm ???  come on dont be shy   i wanna hear how you think a  team should be built

[Lazurus]

13 hours ago, the grinder said:

  lol  ok tell us what gm saw covid coming then??? come on tell us ???   yep avoid the question for the 3 rd time  how should the team  be built then ????? 

 

madden is a 3rd round pick  no we didnt give up podi or hoglander  so stop trying to tell us madden is the next coming of gretzky , oh dimjim he cant do anything but just he picked Schmit up. again at the time boesser went down with an injury and he went out and got help at wing , like playoffs teams do ., of course  there is a plan for the core edler , benn and others are off the books, can sign a bridge deal for both players .

 

so once again with your double talk   , first your crying about madden then your crying about signing boesser , oh no he traded a 3rd rounder  oh no he signed a first round pick  so again what do you want to see from a gm ???  come on dont be shy   i wanna hear how you think a  team should be built

Thank goodness for the stoppage, not the reason though. They were not in a playoffs spot.

Built? how about starting by not having so many clause contracts? How about not having over 25% of the cap in bottom six and dead money? Madden was ranked as the top prospect the Canucks had, if you ranked him alot lower then that put those named below him, still all those were a cost of a rental, not how to build a team with rentals.

Boeser going down? How about any player going down, it is hockey and ALL teams have injuries that is why depth is built in or cap space so a trade can happen, commitin all the eggs in one basket is not a way to build a team, this one was so fragile one player injury caused all the problems by your reckoning.

Never cried about signing Boeser and at the time I thought the contract was inspired but with the new circumstance that contract turned into an anchor because of the flat cap for the next 3 to 4 years, it ends at the wrong time. I would suggest that type of contract for Hughes and Pettersson because it should carry them beyond the flat cap. The other problem is re-signing Horvat and Miller, while the cap was rising it would not be as much of a problem but now they both could want Boeser money

 

As far as my opinion of how to rebuild a team, without getting into huge detail I will use an example of Colorado's 2nd rebuild over the last 4 years, don't let assets walk away, trade decent to good young players for multiple top draft picks, collect draft picks, keep cap space to be able to make trades.

With this group, something that past mistakes make impossible, get rid of all the bottom six clause contracts. You see the team doesn't even have cap space now to retain half salary and no drafted depth to fill an empty roster spot.

[Gurn]

On 10/10/2020 at 12:53 PM, Lazurus said:

 

 

Toffoli cost - A prospect, the best they had Madden, a 2nd rnd pick and possible 4th rnd pick.

 

Just, exactly, who said Madden was the Canucks best prospect?

[the grinder]

3 hours ago, Lazurus said:

Thank goodness for the stoppage, not the reason though. They were not in a playoffs spot.

Built? how about starting by not having so many clause contracts? How about not having over 25% of the cap in bottom six and dead money? Madden was ranked as the top prospect the Canucks had, if you ranked him alot lower then that put those named below him, still all those were a cost of a rental, not how to build a team with rentals.

Boeser going down? How about any player going down, it is hockey and ALL teams have injuries that is why depth is built in or cap space so a trade can happen, commitin all the eggs in one basket is not a way to build a team, this one was so fragile one player injury caused all the problems by your reckoning.

Never cried about signing Boeser and at the time I thought the contract was inspired but with the new circumstance that contract turned into an anchor because of the flat cap for the next 3 to 4 years, it ends at the wrong time. I would suggest that type of contract for Hughes and Pettersson because it should carry them beyond the flat cap. The other problem is re-signing Horvat and Miller, while the cap was rising it would not be as much of a problem but now they both could want Boeser money

 

As far as my opinion of how to rebuild a team, without getting into huge detail I will use an example of Colorado's 2nd rebuild over the last 4 years, don't let assets walk away, trade decent to good young players for multiple top draft picks, collect draft picks, keep cap space to be able to make trades.

With this group, something that past mistakes make impossible, get rid of all the bottom six clause contracts. You see the team doesn't even have cap space now to retain half salary and no drafted depth to fill an empty roster spot.

so in other words covid and a flat cap are hindering the team , which no one saw coming  and thats benning fault lol

, yes we were in a playoff spot at the stoppage we had the 7th spot so again your wrong , 

all the eggs in one basket  ? a 3rd round draftpick and a 2nd round pick is all in ? you have to be joking

so again benning is supposed to predict covid coming when he signed boesser ? 

so you use the example of colorado , with the 2 nd rebuild in 4 years , how convenient, when was mckinnion drafted?? 2013? thats 7 years ago  , how much losing has colorado done in those 7 years? enough to get high picks such as rattanen and jost at 10 overall makar 4 th over all,  lucked out trading dushense to ottawa to get bryam , 7 years and rebuilding for a 2nd time and you call that a success ?

[Lazurus]

15 hours ago, the grinder said:

so in other words covid and a flat cap are hindering the team , which no one saw coming  and thats benning fault lol

, yes we were in a playoff spot at the stoppage we had the 7th spot so again your wrong , 

all the eggs in one basket  ? a 3rd round draftpick and a 2nd round pick is all in ? you have to be joking

so again benning is supposed to predict covid coming when he signed boesser ? 

so you use the example of colorado , with the 2 nd rebuild in 4 years , how convenient, when was mckinnion drafted?? 2013? thats 7 years ago  , how much losing has colorado done in those 7 years? enough to get high picks such as rattanen and jost at 10 overall makar 4 th over all,  lucked out trading dushense to ottawa to get bryam , 7 years and rebuilding for a 2nd time and you call that a success ?

Look at the cap structure, even without covid or a flat cap they couldn't re-sign the players without raises, over 90 mil in cap. Team's have to be under the cap at the start of the season

 

Obviously you didn't read my comments of Boeser's contract, at the time I thought it was an inspired contract and think that structure should be used for Pettersson and Hughes' bridge deals now. But covid and the flat cap did happen, Boeser's contract assumed the cap would have increased by 14mil by the end, it won't and that makes it an anchor.

 

Pick or player? Juloevi is a #5 overall, Hughes is a #10, does that make Juloevi the superior player? Regardless of Madden's draft spot he was the best prospect ready to play.

 

Colorado is now almost 7 million under the cap, their oldest forward is 30, they out performed the Canucks by 14 pts, were a lock into the playoffs and were battling for 1rst in their division with capspace, their core players are all under forwards 27, defence under 32

 

Colorado has gone from the bottom of the league, rewriting most of their lineup in 7 years, what has Benning done?

 

 

[the grinder]

On 10/15/2020 at 5:04 AM, Lazurus said:

Look at the cap structure, even without covid or a flat cap they couldn't re-sign the players without raises, over 90 mil in cap. Team's have to be under the cap at the start of the season

 

Obviously you didn't read my comments of Boeser's contract, at the time I thought it was an inspired contract and think that structure should be used for Pettersson and Hughes' bridge deals now. But covid and the flat cap did happen, Boeser's contract assumed the cap would have increased by 14mil by the end, it won't and that makes it an anchor.

 

Pick or player? Juloevi is a #5 overall, Hughes is a #10, does that make Juloevi the superior player? Regardless of Madden's draft spot he was the best prospect ready to play.

 

Colorado is now almost 7 million under the cap, their oldest forward is 30, they out performed the Canucks by 14 pts, were a lock into the playoffs and were battling for 1rst in their division with capspace, their core players are all under forwards 27, defence under 32

 

Colorado has gone from the bottom of the league, rewriting most of their lineup in 7 years, what has Benning done?

 

 

hmmm benning rewrote his line up in 4 years with out a first overall pick , hmm maybe colorado should of picked up some depth players for the playoff run with that 7 million , our core players are under 23 , so i guess benning did a better job then according to your stats,  Madden was the best prospect ? before podi and the hog , what list was madden was ranked higher than those 2 ? come on show the list

 

[Lazurus]

On 10/18/2020 at 9:52 PM, the grinder said:

On 10/15/2020 at 12:04 PM, Lazurus said:

Look at the cap structure, even without covid or a flat cap they couldn't re-sign the players without raises, over 90 mil in cap. Team's have to be under the cap at the start of the season

 

Obviously you didn't read my comments of Boeser's contract, at the time I thought it was an inspired contract and think that structure should be used for Pettersson and Hughes' bridge deals now. But covid and the flat cap did happen, Boeser's contract assumed the cap would have increased by 14mil by the end, it won't and that makes it an anchor.

 

Pick or player? Juloevi is a #5 overall, Hughes is a #10, does that make Juloevi the superior player? Regardless of Madden's draft spot he was the best prospect ready to play.

 

Colorado is now almost 7 million under the cap, their oldest forward is 30, they out performed the Canucks by 14 pts, were a lock into the playoffs and were battling for 1rst in their division with capspace, their core players are all under forwards 27, defence under 32

 

Colorado has gone from the bottom of the league, rewriting most of their lineup in 7 years, what has Benning done?

 

 

hmmm benning rewrote his line up in 4 years with out a first overall pick , hmm maybe colorado should of picked up some depth players for the playoff run with that 7 million , our core players are under 23 , so i guess benning did a better job then according to your stats,  Madden was the best prospect ? before podi and the hog , what list was madden was ranked higher than those 2 ? come on show the list

No 1rst overal, but more than any Vancouver GM in the team's history and still they lost 50 games out of 82.

The "core" has 2 players under 23.

Your vaunted opinion of the development of Pod and Hog? You better take another look, they are being ruined, but that been Benning development plan all along, don't put them into the system, just let them stay wherever they are. They have fallen off a cliff.

Madden was NHL ready, they were not and my favorite idiot stated Madden was |a great player ready step right in and help", everyone favourite, Craig Button

 

So after 6 years, what does the line up look like? All those draft picks just battling for a job? How do they look in the NHL?

[the grinder]

2 hours ago, Lazurus said:

No 1rst overal, but more than any Vancouver GM in the team's history and still they lost 50 games out of 82.

The "core" has 2 players under 23.

Your vaunted opinion of the development of Pod and Hog? You better take another look, they are being ruined, but that been Benning development plan all along, don't put them into the system, just let them stay wherever they are. They have fallen off a cliff.

Madden was NHL ready, they were not and my favorite idiot stated Madden was |a great player ready step right in and help", everyone favourite, Craig Button

 

So after 6 years, what does the line up look like? All those draft picks just battling for a job? How do they look in the NHL?

50 out of 82? yep 2 years ago lol so from that to the second  round of the playoffs ,  that is what people call progress , so how many games  did colorado lose to get mc kinnon 1st over all? back in 2013 . The core has 3 players under 23 right now , i guess it hurt petey staying in sweden for a year , terrible that benning let hughes play that extra year in the ncaa , i bet jack hughes wish he stayed a extra year in college , so tell us what league should hog and pod be playing in at the moment?  and with podi he was already under a 2 year contract when drafted , dont you listen Craig button rave about podi and hog , or do just have selective hearing