(Proposal) Van - NYR, Van - CBJ, Van - Ott, Van - Tor

[eeeeergh]

To NYR:
Brock Boeser

To Vancouver
Braden Schneider
2022 2nd Rounder

Schneider plays on New york's third pair, and has a prospect pool loaded with defensemen. They desperately need more scoring if they want to win this year, and have the cap space for Boeser. 2nd rounder balances the trade out a bit, but New York wins the trade in the immediate term. They also have the cap space to sign Boeser. 

To CBJ:
Myers (subject to it not being on his 10 team NTC)
Spencer Martin

To Vancouver:
Future considerations

Columbus eats up some salary and gets a top-4 defenseman in Myers (where they need help) and get a potential quality goaltender (where they also need help). Fine for them because they're rebuilding and wont be ready to contend until after Myers contract is over. 

To Ott:
2022 2nd
Tucker Poolguy

To Van:
Nikita Zaitsev

Ottawa gets our 2022 2nd, and takes on Pool Guy's contract (and as an immediate fill in for Zaitsev on the right side) for our trouble. 

We get a penalty kill specialist, stay at home defenseman to play on the right side.

To Tor:
Luke Schenn

To Van: 
2022 2nd round pick

Muzzin is down for the count, Toronto needs defensemen for their playoff run. Schenn has exceeded expectations here, and will play physical and be responsible defensively for Toronto in the playoffs. Plus Toronto will have the cap space to grab another defenseman for more depth if they want it, with Muzzins LTIR salary being much higher than Schenns cap hit. 

Off-season signings:
Domi (5x5)

3m extra cap space extra still available after all this, and don't have to give up Miller. Our forward core remains fairly similar in production, we pick up an extra 2nd rounder, shed a lot of salary and acquire a future top pairing defenseman (schneider) and a penalty killing shot blocker in Zaitsev. 

Miller-EP-Podz
Domi-Horvat-Garland
Pearson-Dickie-Hogs 
Highmore-Lammer-Motte

Hughes-Zaitsev
OEL-Schneider
Rathbone-Hamonic

*Edit - I know that third line is kind of tragic for Hogs - would be nice to use some of that cap space to get Hogs some better linemates, at least a better C than Dickie. 
**Edit - I changed the deal with Ottawa to more accurately reflect Zaitsev's value

Edited February 27, 2022 by eeeeergh

[Nucker 67]

Just my opinion, but I don't see how the Canucks would be that much better with this roster. It might even make them worse. Plus, they lose their 1st (but add two 2nds). VAN needs that 1st rounder and prospects. 

[eeeeergh]

18 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Just my opinion, but I don't see how the Canucks would be that much better with this roster. It might even make them worse. Plus, they lose their 1st (but add two 2nds). VAN needs that 1st rounder and prospects. 

Changed the 1st to a 2nd - Zaitsev can probably be had without giving up the 1st upon thinking about it more. 

The biggest difference we'd see immediately is in defensive responsibility and on our penalty kill. Zaitsev probably upgrades our PK a fair bit. If deployed with OEL, he'd also be an upgrade in a shutdown role over Myers, as he's #10 in the league in blocked shots/60 minutes. 

Schneider also likely grows into a top pairing defenseman, so we get another under 25 potential star blueliner (Hughes, Rathbone, now Schneider). 

Tldr:
- Better penalty kill
- more blocked shots
- add future star defenseman (schneider)
- more cap space

Edited February 27, 2022 by eeeeergh

[Nucker 67]

It would be great to have Schneider, but I don't believe NYR will part with him. I agree that the D needs improvement. 

[Phil_314]

The Columbus and Ottawa trades are absolutely not's for me.  We don't need to dump Myers when he's legit playing as a top-4 shutdown RD.  Then we dump Schenn and get a less physical, pricier replacement in Zaitsev??  The turnover is way too much for my liking (should keep Martin as backup, Myers as top-4 RD, Schenn as another RD with Hughes, then move one of Hamonic or Poolman.  If we move Poolman then we can keep the other and get an overpriced LD who's mobile (if Rathbone doesn't earn the spot).

Keep OEL and Myers healthy and productive as our defensive shutdown pair, then Schenn and Hughes, and a consistent, less expensive 3rd pair and we should be okay.  Trade Boeser and fine, also move Poolman and Dickinson, and I think we're good to go-- no need to reinvent the wheel IMO.

Edited February 27, 2022 by Phil_314

[rawkdrummer]

We lose each and every proposal. 

Must be better ways to gain cap space.

[Vinny in Vancouver]

I don't think Max Domi is worth 5x5. He only had one great season, and that was in 2018-2019 and iirc, that was because he was being played as a first-line center on a center-starved team. In the past few seasons, has he been particularly noticeable in driving the play? He was exposed to the Kraken who didn't bite...

[eeeeergh]

54 minutes ago, Vinny in Vancouver said:

I don't think Max Domi is worth 5x5. He only had one great season, and that was in 2018-2019 and iirc, that was because he was being played as a first-line center on a center-starved team. In the past few seasons, has he been particularly noticeable in driving the play? He was exposed to the Kraken who didn't bite...

Domi has been poorly deployed almost everywhere he's been. Montreal shoved him onto the 4th line in his second season with them to try to "spread our their scoring". Even in Columbus, he's been put on the third line, and is still over .5ppg pace, in spite of being saddled with linemates that don't help him at all. 

Kraken passed on him because he had the injured shoulder and was set to miss the start of the season. 

He's fast and a great playmaker. Someone will grab him and look like a genius for doing so imo. 

[RWJC]

1 hour ago, eeeeergh said:

Domi has been poorly deployed almost everywhere he's been. Montreal shoved him onto the 4th line in his second season with them to try to "spread our their scoring". Even in Columbus, he's been put on the third line, and is still over .5ppg pace, in spite of being saddled with linemates that don't help him at all. 

Kraken passed on him because he had the injured shoulder and was set to miss the start of the season. 

He's fast and a great playmaker. Someone will grab him and look like a genius for doing so imo. 

So was Gourde though too.

there are legit reasons why Domi is already fairly well travelled in his young career. Durability is one. A different attitude is another. Might also only have chemistry with specific player types/personalities. There’s something there because he is an upgrade on, or at least in the upper half of, their lower roster.

 

that said I’d try for him in UFA to get Bo a consistent linemate to elevate his game, who is also a buddy. Bo needs a kick in the a$$ because I think he feels stale with this team at times. This might be worth the cost as an experiment but at no more than 4.5 per. For Domi to agree to that it’d be because of that same opportunity.

 

again, I still want to build a bigger bodied roster, but a heart and soul / blood and guts team will do me just fine as well.
 

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by RWJC

[komodo0921]

20 hours ago, eeeeergh said:

To NYR:
Brock Boeser

To Vancouver
Braden Schneider
2022 2nd Rounder

Schneider plays on New york's third pair, and has a prospect pool loaded with defensemen. They desperately need more scoring if they want to win this year, and have the cap space for Boeser. 2nd rounder balances the trade out a bit, but New York wins the trade in the immediate term. They also have the cap space to sign Boeser. 

To CBJ:
Myers (subject to it not being on his 10 team NTC)
Spencer Martin

To Vancouver:
Future considerations

Columbus eats up some salary and gets a top-4 defenseman in Myers (where they need help) and get a potential quality goaltender (where they also need help). Fine for them because they're rebuilding and wont be ready to contend until after Myers contract is over. 

To Ott:
2022 2nd
Tucker Poolguy

To Van:
Nikita Zaitsev

Ottawa gets our 2022 2nd, and takes on Pool Guy's contract (and as an immediate fill in for Zaitsev on the right side) for our trouble. 

We get a penalty kill specialist, stay at home defenseman to play on the right side.

To Tor:
Luke Schenn

To Van: 
2022 2nd round pick

Muzzin is down for the count, Toronto needs defensemen for their playoff run. Schenn has exceeded expectations here, and will play physical and be responsible defensively for Toronto in the playoffs. Plus Toronto will have the cap space to grab another defenseman for more depth if they want it, with Muzzins LTIR salary being much higher than Schenns cap hit. 

Off-season signings:
Domi (5x5)

3m extra cap space extra still available after all this, and don't have to give up Miller. Our forward core remains fairly similar in production, we pick up an extra 2nd rounder, shed a lot of salary and acquire a future top pairing defenseman (schneider) and a penalty killing shot blocker in Zaitsev. 

Miller-EP-Podz
Domi-Horvat-Garland
Pearson-Dickie-Hogs 
Highmore-Lammer-Motte

Hughes-Zaitsev
OEL-Schneider
Rathbone-Hamonic

*Edit - I know that third line is kind of tragic for Hogs - would be nice to use some of that cap space to get Hogs some better linemates, at least a better C than Dickie. 
**Edit - I changed the deal with Ottawa to more accurately reflect Zaitsev's value

1. Boeser would be a great fit in New York. Their right side, forward position is probably their biggest weakness. Adding a sniper like Brock really impacts their top-sx in a positive way. In all other threads involving the NYRs, my top want is Braden Schneider. He is still growing as a professional hockey player but, I've no doubt he will become a solid, top-four defenseman in the, not to distant, future. A low, second-round pick, however seems a bit short for my liking. Brock will flourish in NY for years to come. I feel that second-round pick should be bumped to their first- rounder. 

2. I feel Myers has more value then future considerations to the right team. He is still a solid defender with size. This has value. Yes, six million a season is a bit rich but, with soe salary retention, I could see interest in him that gets us a return.

3. Tucker Poolman may be one that has little, to no, value on the market. two and a half million for 3 points and mediocre defensive effort is hardly cause for pause. I don't see how taking back a larger contract for similar abilities is helpful. If he can't be moved, I'd rather see him waived and sent to Abbotsford or, maybe bought out.

4. I'm all for keeping Luke Schenn. He's low cost and brings a lot of value for what he's making. He is our best defensive defender and provides a lot of grit to a line-up that sorely lacks in that category.

Overall, I think the Boeser deal is your best offering, though it does fall a bit short.

[Bobby James]

On 2/26/2022 at 3:50 PM, eeeeergh said:

To CBJ:
Myers (subject to it not being on his 10 team NTC)
Spencer Martin

To Vancouver:
Future considerations

I'm not sure I follow why Van would do this? 

 

This is a terrible trade for Vancouver. Meyers has been great this season, brings size and skates well. Him and OEL have been a super solid together and while I agree they eat up a lot of cap this trade really makes Van weaker on D. Is Zaitsev playing amazing in Ott? I only remember him from Toronto and he was quite poor there and people wanted him moved.