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I mean, this forum doesn't represent the entire fanbase. And yes, there may have been people who didn't like both by the end of their tenure, and that's entirely fair given how both of them finished off here. It's not like this team has been a pillar of success over the past decade.

These are different fans with different opinions. Obviously with a fanbase as big as ours you're going to hear differing opinions. The people who thought Gillis was the worst GM and the people who thought Benning was the worst GM have virtually zero overlap, especially considering how the most common argument from Benning supporters is that Gillis' team was old.

Yeah because Benning &^@#ing nailed that aspect of his job. I agree that it's definitely easy for certain people to look the part and sound smarter than they are, but Benning saying $&!# like "big players get injured less" clearly showed a lack of understanding of the game, and comments like the Subban tampering showed a lack of basic knowledge of the league.

I am cool with driving out anyone who was a part of the Canucks from 2014 to 2021

I've grown to have more problems with the JFresh type charts, but anyone who straight up refuses to consider new data like this is not good to have in the organization.

Gronberg and Montgomery are easily the most interesting options on that list. I wouldn't HATE if Bruce was brought back but I don't think the organizational fit given the team's competitive cycle and his age is there at all.

Hmmm. You actually brought up some interesting contracts that I forgot about, but this is reasonable. I would disagree on the following players: Karlsson is at the very least comparable, he's a better player but makes more money. Both expire in the same year, so pick your poison. Vlasic and Burns both end earlier, and those later years are where OEL's contract is going to sink the team. This is similar to why I thought an Player Name/Lucic swap was a terrible idea, even if Lucic was a better player -- people are underestimating how bad that extra year is. Look at what the Canucks had to do to get out of that extra year of Beagle/Player Name/Roussel. Look at what Toronto had to do to get out of that final year of Marleau, or what NYR had to do to get out of that final year of Staal. Doughty is the same thing as Karlsson. Your opinion is reasonable, I don't have a particular strong opinion myself here. I would still rather take Weber due to the term, but I don't know if this one should count anyways seeing as Weber will probably never play a game in the NHL again. McDonagh's also ends earlier, which is enough to swing it in his favour. Provorov is younger and his contract ends earlier -- this isn't even close. I would probably actually trade assets for Provorov if he came up in a trade, I wouldn't for any of these other guys. Petry also ends way earlier. Lindholm and Ristolainen I definitely agree with you on. Doughty and Karlsson you can flip a coin, and the rest I definitely disagree with you about. And this is coming in OEL's personal best season in years -- if he regresses back to the form he was in in his later Arizona years, this could get ugly extremely quickly. I was absolutely appalled when we took on that contract and I still am appalled today.

Can you please name them? Keep in mind the term is far more egregious than the AAV at this point.

Not focusing on the salary cap is the main reason this team won't make the playoffs. It's extremely relevant to all forms of hockey discussion and it has been for the last 16 years. OEL has been fine, not "excellent", and it's still a bottom 10 contract in the league. Easily Benning's worst trade.

Not really at the moment, but there's obviously time to make other moves. Did you just want big moves made for the sake of big moves being made? Again, wait until the offseason -- that's normally when a lot of the big trades happen anyways.

Everyone's reaction to our new management based on the extremely limited sample size we have should probably just be "meh". We got less than what I probably wanted/expected for Motte, and got out of the Hamonic contract. Did not like how Halak was managed. But it's absolutely hilarious that a bunch of the same people defending Benning for the last 8 years, who also cited fans as toxic and impatient, have their pitchforks out over a very average deadline. This offseason will probably decide how I feel about JR/Allvin -- I'm willing to give them some time.

That's what happens when you turn 30.

Amazing that 500 excuses were made for Benning not acquiring more picks then Allvin immediately dumps one of our bad contracts for a 3rd.

Miller has been good enough to the extent where I think he could sustain respectable production into his mid 30s. The much bigger question IMO is if he wants to stay here.

For the record, I don't think the Bernier trade was GREAT value, but calling it a definitive loss seems like a bit of a stretch, especially if you're going to call the Vey/Pouliot/Pedan/Dorsett/Larsen trades a win or draw. Vey got only 10 goals despite being glued to PP time and given a ton of easy minutes.