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#211 ChuckNORRIS4Cup

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 08:00 AM

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If the Canucks keep a coach like AV who is basically pushing the future of the Canucks out the door, how could you blame COHO if he wanted leave I sure couldn't. He deserves more minutes and when you have a stuck up coach who is and has said he is compairing Codys minutes in a rookie year to Henrik, which was over 12 years ago in a complete differen't era you know your coach doesn't know how to coach when he is doing that. HORRIBLE COACHING. COHO=CLUTCH.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:50 AM

well cody had a hell of a game and took a number of shifts with booth and kes and looked good, so i guess the madness that is this thread can end.
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:55 AM

we are the worst fans ever. AV knows what hes doing.
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 12:08 PM

Are people still whining about this? He's doing good and it's in spite of the coach? Let me guess, if he goes on a slump then it will be the coaches fault? Yes let's forget about getting any other player going and focus on giving all the ice time to one player when we are winning regardless. Let's also change the name of the team to the Vancouver Codys.

I mean are you guys so ridiculous that you fail to see what the players on the team have been preaching this whole time and how it should be. That they are team first mentality. We know Cody is doing good so why not have him try to get other players going. It's called playing for the team. I'm positive with the Cody's attitude he would agree with what is happening and wouldn't be whining like you guys about playing on the "fourth line". It's the same thing you all complain about last year when the Sedins didn't get enough ice-time because AV wanted to try to get other players going when we were winning.

We are second in the conference and now is the time to try to get players going and teach a rookie some other aspects of the game so he doesn't become one-dimensional. Do you not think AV wants Cody how to grind it out in games as well as score? How to play against tough, grinding players and not just skilled players? That maybe this will help him in the play-offs when it comes down to more grinding then skill? It's also the time to experiment and try new line combinations. Is this so hard to understand? But noooooo....AV can't manage a rookie because he won't baby him and give him easy minutes. Do you think Cody cares about rookie point totals instead of learning the various aspects of the game for a long career to be a multi-dimensional player?

I'd say the coach knows what he's doing and you guys need to get off your hatred of the coach because wah wah...he won't play your rookie more instead of teaching him to be a great all-round forward.
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 02:19 PM

You could also ask why is Bitz playing with the Sedins? Because AV has mixed up the lines to get some slumping players going, e.g. Malhotra, Hansen and the Sedins. It's really that simple.

Why not try CoHo on the wing with the Sedins? What's the harm in trying that? Nothing else AV has done to get the twins going is working....

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 08:03 PM

Didn't get to read the 11 pages but it seems to me that once he started closing the gap on the rookies ahead of him (and RNH got injured), they reduced his realistic scoring ice time. Cap balancing move? If CoHo won rookie of the year he'd pull in some serious bonus cash which would effect the future as well as far as I know...
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 09:42 PM

Coho should be 3rd line center he's to good to be wasted on a 4th line role, waste of talent.
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 10:14 PM

COHO = CLUTCH
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 11:12 PM

Coho is the white Jeremy Lin
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 11:19 PM

Because AV is insane...there is that what you wanted to hear?
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 11:21 PM

Because AV is insane...there is that what you wanted to hear?


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Posted 15 February 2012 - 11:33 PM

Are people still whining about this? He's doing good and it's in spite of the coach? Let me guess, if he goes on a slump then it will be the coaches fault? Yes let's forget about getting any other player going and focus on giving all the ice time to one player when we are winning regardless. Let's also change the name of the team to the Vancouver Codys. I mean are you guys so ridiculous that you fail to see what the players on the team have been preaching this whole time and how it should be. That they are team first mentality. We know Cody is doing good so why not have him try to get other players going. It's called playing for the team. I'm positive with the Cody's attitude he would agree with what is happening and wouldn't be whining like you guys about playing on the "fourth line". It's the same thing you all complain about last year when the Sedins didn't get enough ice-time because AV wanted to try to get other players going when we were winning. We are second in the conference and now is the time to try to get players going and teach a rookie some other aspects of the game so he doesn't become one-dimensional. Do you not think AV wants Cody how to grind it out in games as well as score? How to play against tough, grinding players and not just skilled players? That maybe this will help him in the play-offs when it comes down to more grinding then skill? It's also the time to experiment and try new line combinations. Is this so hard to understand? But noooooo....AV can't manage a rookie because he won't baby him and give him easy minutes. Do you think Cody cares about rookie point totals instead of learning the various aspects of the game for a long career to be a multi-dimensional player? I'd say the coach knows what he's doing and you guys need to get off your hatred of the coach because wah wah...he won't play your rookie more instead of teaching him to be a great all-round forward.


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Posted 15 February 2012 - 11:43 PM

Are people still whining about this? He's doing good and it's in spite of the coach? Let me guess, if he goes on a slump then it will be the coaches fault? Yes let's forget about getting any other player going and focus on giving all the ice time to one player when we are winning regardless. Let's also change the name of the team to the Vancouver Codys.

I mean are you guys so ridiculous that you fail to see what the players on the team have been preaching this whole time and how it should be. That they are team first mentality. We know Cody is doing good so why not have him try to get other players going. It's called playing for the team. I'm positive with the Cody's attitude he would agree with what is happening and wouldn't be whining like you guys about playing on the "fourth line". It's the same thing you all complain about last year when the Sedins didn't get enough ice-time because AV wanted to try to get other players going when we were winning.

We are second in the conference and now is the time to try to get players going and teach a rookie some other aspects of the game so he doesn't become one-dimensional. Do you not think AV wants Cody how to grind it out in games as well as score? How to play against tough, grinding players and not just skilled players? That maybe this will help him in the play-offs when it comes down to more grinding then skill? It's also the time to experiment and try new line combinations. Is this so hard to understand? But noooooo....AV can't manage a rookie because he won't baby him and give him easy minutes. Do you think Cody cares about rookie point totals instead of learning the various aspects of the game for a long career to be a multi-dimensional player?

I'd say the coach knows what he's doing and you guys need to get off your hatred of the coach because wah wah...he won't play your rookie more instead of teaching him to be a great all-round forward.



Oh god i dont even know where to begin. Some of you dont even make a point you just whine that were whining about cody, how irionic.

Our problem is when cody plays well he is suddenly demoted and looses ice time and is put on the 4th line. Tonight he just set up a big goal again when he was finally given the 3rd line where he has been on fire. On the 4th line he does not get the ice time or get to play with players that allow him to use his offensive abilities. He is showing us time and time again he can succeed given proper ice time and and spot on the 3rd line center.

People are upset because when you see someone playing well and makes the most of there limited ice time, it does not make sense to scale back even more put them on the 4th, especially when this club needs to improve offensively.

You also claim if cody hits a slump we would blame the coach, I dont see anyone blaming av for (before tonight) hansen slumping, or raymond slumping, people get mad at those players themselves because they are given ice time and dont make the most out of it. Cody is the exact opposite.

Cody has made the most of his ice time unlike the majority of our offense, and its unfortunate when we see it scaled back.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 11:45 PM

stack the 2nd line Booth-Hodgson-Kesler?
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Posted 16 February 2012 - 12:54 AM

Cody has done more with limited ice time. He is more of a natural goal scorer than Manny, Lappy. They should play him on the 3rd line. Coach V is strange. He is not sold on Hodgson yet. Considering it took the Twins and Kesler quite a few years to develop, I like the up side to Cody. He is only going to get better which is promising.
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Posted 16 February 2012 - 02:09 AM

Are people still whining about this? He's doing good and it's in spite of the coach? Let me guess, if he goes on a slump then it will be the coaches fault? Yes let's forget about getting any other player going and focus on giving all the ice time to one player when we are winning regardless. Let's also change the name of the team to the Vancouver Codys.

I mean are you guys so ridiculous that you fail to see what the players on the team have been preaching this whole time and how it should be. That they are team first mentality. We know Cody is doing good so why not have him try to get other players going. It's called playing for the team. I'm positive with the Cody's attitude he would agree with what is happening and wouldn't be whining like you guys about playing on the "fourth line". It's the same thing you all complain about last year when the Sedins didn't get enough ice-time because AV wanted to try to get other players going when we were winning.

We are second in the conference and now is the time to try to get players going and teach a rookie some other aspects of the game so he doesn't become one-dimensional. Do you not think AV wants Cody how to grind it out in games as well as score? How to play against tough, grinding players and not just skilled players? That maybe this will help him in the play-offs when it comes down to more grinding then skill? It's also the time to experiment and try new line combinations. Is this so hard to understand? But noooooo....AV can't manage a rookie because he won't baby him and give him easy minutes. Do you think Cody cares about rookie point totals instead of learning the various aspects of the game for a long career to be a multi-dimensional player?

I'd say the coach knows what he's doing and you guys need to get off your hatred of the coach because wah wah...he won't play your rookie more instead of teaching him to be a great all-round forward.


Please explain to me how the hell playing the 2nd lowest minutes on the whole team makes him 'a great all-around forward." Only Byron Bitz played less than Cody which is freaking ridiculous.

Cody has worked his ass off all year offensively and defensively, which gets recognized by the NHL, but apparently not AV. What happens when he gets put on the third line?? Voila --> GWG set up by Cody...amazing how that happens.

AV has the great ability of making moves that lack common-sense.

For example: Samuelsson on number 1 unit PP - was always stupid; on 5 on 3s, put Daniel on the point - never worked. Finally he put Salo and Edler and what do you know, they started scoring.

How is the treatment of Cody Hodgson any different than last year?? How is playing 6 minutes after 2 periods, and 10 minutes overall supposed to make him 'grow?' AV preaches the philosophy of 'the best players will receive the ice-time they earn' even though he acts as a hypocrite and plays Malhotra who has been God awful all year, way more than Cody.

Obviously I recognize that the depth and situations are different, but just for fun, think about this. Landeskog played 25 minutes today, Cody 10 - both prized rookies of their respective franchises. Yesterday, Adam Henrique played 17:32. In their game against the red-hot Red Wings, AT Detroit, Brayden Schenn played 16:28, while Matt Read played 15:41...these are all rookies. That's how you develop talent, not by putting them with bums and playing them 10 minutes a game. Just look at Stamkos in his rookie year before and after that dummy Melrose got fired. You give your young plays big minutes to develop confidence, and prepare them for the grind that is the playoffs. Holding them back just hinders their development.

AV is a decent coach of a great team, not the other way around, and it's embarrassing to see how Cody's hard work all year is being 'rewarded.'

Oh and just for the record, for a team that isn't exactly scoring that many goals lately, and consistently has needed shootouts to pull out wins, it's probably a better idea to play your best players to score and try to get the W, rather than worrying about making the 4th line wingers better players. You underestimate how important this non-shootout wins are. I sure as hell do NOT want to play Detroit in the western final, with their home ice advantage.

Edited by Dr.G, 16 February 2012 - 02:12 AM.

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 03:02 AM

10 minutes of ice time tonight for a guy who should be in contention for rookie of the year, if he gets better than useless goon minutes... I can understand bringing him along easily, and that Kes and Henrik are ahead of him, but putting the guy who is 4th in goals on the team (with the best shooting percentage), just 4 points behind Burrows (our top line winger) and 5th highest scoring forward on the team on the 4th line with 10 minutes of play isn't a logical way to help him develop.

The kid looks capable of being a #2 centre already. His point totals are very close to Burrows but he's playing 1/3 less (12 minutes vs 18 minutes per game...
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Posted 16 February 2012 - 03:04 AM

AV loves his 4th line. He wants to show the fans of Vancouver the love he's giving to Hodgson.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 02:55 PM

If the Canucks keep a coach like AV who is basically pushing the future of the Canucks out the door, how could you blame COHO if he wanted leave I sure couldn't. He deserves more minutes and when you have a stuck up coach who is and has said he is compairing Codys minutes in a rookie year to Henrik, which was over 12 years ago in a complete differen't era you know your coach doesn't know how to coach when he is doing that. HORRIBLE COACHING. COHO=CLUTCH.


I can agree with my post even more, Hodgson wanted more ice time and AV wanted to continue to play him on the 4th line even while he was producing, once again AV caused the problems with Coho trying to limit Coho's ice time to Henrik Sedins rookie year. I'm sorry, but you can't compare a player to someone else 12 years ago, especially if you weren't the one who coached Henrik in is rookie year. Why MG had problems with Coho, because AV is the one who caused it to happen in the first place, by not budging to play him and being a stupid coach trying to compare his ice time to Henrik in his rookie year, horrible coaching.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 02:57 PM

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 03:04 PM

Cause AV is an idiot?

Hodgson rookie of the month and gets demoted to the 4th line lol.


Another example of great coaching, by AV once again.

Why do you think Cody wanted to leave, this is the reason AV.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 03:18 PM

I'm almost wondering if this thread will now be locked, as it's kinda old to be bumped forward. Personally though, I think it's better to have the old comments bumped rather than a new thread altogether - makes for an interesting read, all the pro-Hodgson posts and questioning of Hodgon's ice time. Particularly given MG's recent comments to the effect Hodgson was actually being groomed to sell off - oh really?

I had forgotten about the time he'd spent on the 4th line, demoted when it wasn't exactly as if Henrik, Kesler - or anyone else for that matter - was going on a production run. And now with MG's recent comments we are to believe he was demoted to the 4th line as a way of pumping him for a trade?

This whole Hodgson thing smells.

Just glad to see how well he did in Buffalo once he had a chance to settle (the same chance to settle most Canuck fans were okay with when it came to Booth's post trade lack of production), trusted in all situations, even getting PK time. Good kid, lots of room for development. Shame it won't be on the Canucks.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:29 PM

For everyone complaining about Schroeder, do you now see a pattern with AV? He doesn't know how to manage prospects properly.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:31 PM

lol @you still living in the past

theres worse things about av the his prospect managment

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:36 PM

lol @you still living in the past

theres worse things about av the his prospect managment


lol you think, everything is wrong with him, everything he does is wrong, he is a useless coach. But this bump is for the ones who hate seeing Schroeder on the 4th line, it has been going on for a while with every prospect.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:48 PM

lol you think, everything is wrong with him, everything he does is wrong, he is a useless coach. But this bump is for the ones who hate seeing Schroeder on the 4th line, it has been going on for a while with every prospect.



Every prospect that struggles at winning faceoffs you mean. That doesn't make it right however, I wouldn't mind seeing Schroeder tried on the wing instead of taking draws, although that would mean a stint in the AHL to get used to the new position. Schroeder needs time to perfect his game to be a top 6 player. He isn't there yet. AV is actually doing him a favour by not putting him in a position to fail (unlike other players who will remain unmentioned).
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:51 PM

Hilarious, exact same thread as the Schroeder thread we see now. Maybe AV could write a book and how to screw prospects over.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:56 PM

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:58 PM

Hilarious, exact same thread as the Schroeder thread we see now. Maybe AV could write a book and how to screw prospects over.


Entirely hilarious! Good bump, lol!

I see AV's style/approach not being one that is how to screw prospects though, he seems more about simply being your average joe who is human enough to have favourites and non-favourites. Meaning his approach to players is much the same irrespective of whether the guy is a rookie or a vet - if a player is a fav then he gets the opportunities, if a player isn't a fav, coach finds reasons to limit opportunities.

This would explain how it is some players get the opportunities no matter how seemingly "unearned" at the time (see: Kesler, Burrows, Raymond, Hansen, Tanev, Alberts, Rome, etc.) while other guys can't seem to catch a break no matter well they've produced elsewhere/previously or how much potential they demonstrate (see: Linden, Hodgson, Schroeder, Grabner, Ballard, etc.).
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 02:02 PM

Every prospect that struggles at winning faceoffs you mean. That doesn't make it right however, I wouldn't mind seeing Schroeder tried on the wing instead of taking draws, although that would mean a stint in the AHL to get used to the new position. Schroeder needs time to perfect his game to be a top 6 player. He isn't there yet. AV is actually doing him a favour by not putting him in a position to fail (unlike other players who will remain unmentioned).


Honestly Schroeder was buzzing last game. He looked better than most of our other top 9 guys offensively......after the game, Wiese and Pinizotto get the public thumbs up from AV but nothing about Schroeder who created a ton of space for those goons with his speed and puck handling not to mention his aggressive offensive play.

It is a good thinig Gillis can't draft to save his life because what would AV do with a real top prospect like Stamkos, Kane, etc.? I shudder at the thought....and yes, I know those guys were top picks.....but how many 2nd and later round guys have turned into great players after the Canucks passed on them to take the BBA (Biggest Bust Available) instead of the BPA (Best Player Available)?

Not every player needs to be a two way guy. If that was the requirement Patrick Kane would be in the AHL.

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