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Bedrock Of Vaccination Theory Crumbles As Science Reveals Antibodies Not Necessary To Fight Viruses

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So...it is safe to put on your gums/teeth etc but not to drink?

Don't substances seep in through our mouths?

I take melatonin to sleep and the method of delivery is under the tongue...

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so basically if it isn't in water, we don't ingest it.

Cool.

Thanks for keeping me informed guys. I love online communities for that.

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You do still ingest it, but everything is in trace levels. Fluoridated water levels are just there as a back up to people who don't already brush their teeth at least twice a day. It's all just prophylactic precautions to protect you from dental carries.

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At the trace levels they add it, it really shouldn't be. As long as you aren't drinking a cup of mouthwash, or eating tube of toothpaste every day on the side, you'll be fine.

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So...it is safe to put on your gums/teeth etc but not to drink?

Don't substances seep in through our mouths?

I take melatonin to sleep and the method of delivery is under the tongue...

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By Dr. James Howenstine, MD.

December 7, 2003

NewsWithViews.com

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What the study actually says:

It seems that mice don't need adaptive immunity to defend against VSV infection.

The title of this thread:

Bedrock Of Vaccination Theory Crumbles As Science Reveals Antibodies Not Necessary To Fight Viruses

Do you see the difference?

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Yeap. One study just broke down about the last 50 years of medical research.

Seriously, get a hold of yourselves. Vaccines are one of the greatest things to come out of modern medicine. They've been the number 1 factor is reducing deaths before the age of 5, among other things. If it weren't so critical, we wouldn't see billionaires like Gates and Buffet spending billions on research.

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William Howard Hay, MD

Pocono, PA., on June 25, 1937, before The Medical Freedom Society

December 21, 1937

MR. BURDICK. Mr. Speaker, under the leave to extend my remarks in the RECORD, I include the following address by William Howard Hay, M.D., of Pocono, PA., on June 25, 1937, before the Medical Freedom Society on the Lemke bill to abolish compulsory vaccination:

I was glad to hear the Honorable Mr. Lemke’s presentation of the subject matter of his bill. I have thought many times of all the insane things that we have advocated in medicine, that Is one of the most insane-to insist on the vaccination of children, or anybody else, for the prevention of smallpox, when, as a matter of fact, we are never able to prove that vaccination saved one man from small-pox. Naturally not. When you have protected anybody, as we denote protection in medicine, you have at the same time destroyed your evidence. If that man doesn’t take the disease against which he is supposed he be protected, how can you ever know he would have taken it if he hadn’t been protected? We have destroyed the evidence.

As a matter of fact, perhaps it is safe to say that not more than 10 per cent of the people ever would take smallpox if sleeping in the same bed with an infected smallpox victim. We know there is a large immunity to smallpox. Very few people are subject to it, and these usually in the filthiest surroundings. Now, if we carry that natural immunity to smallpox as we do other diseases, and we have been protected by vaccination and then we are exposed to smallpox and don’t take it, don’t you see there is no proof there? We may be carrying a natural Immunity. If one case that has been successfully vaccinated afterwards develops smallpox, that is proof that it isn’t protection, now, isn’t it?

I know of one epidemic of smallpox comprising nine hundred and some cases in which 95 per cent of the infected had been vaccinated, and most of them recently. I have had in my own experience one very small epidemic comprising 33 cases, of which 29 had vaccination histories a “good” scar, and some of them vaccinated within the last year. There was no protection there.

Among these was one girl who was not vaccinated, never had been, who had five cases of smallpox in the family, nursed those cases that were ill, a baby among the others, the worst case of small-pox among them, refused vaccination and was never infected at all-a natural immunity.

What is true of smallpox is true of every other disease. We are not all equally subject to all the diseases that occur. We know that king. an epidemic of influenza sweeps over the country. Why doesn’t everyone have it? The germ, if it is a germ, and we don t know that it is, is ubiquitous. They are everywhere. You can’t hide from them. And yet perhaps but 10 per cent of the population of any region will be infected. What protects the 90 per cent? Natural immunity.

We may have natural immunity this year and we may not have It next year, but we can’t create it artificially by using a so-called immune serum. As I say, when we do use an immune serum we have destroyed every possibility of using that case as evidence, because we have no way of knowing whether it would ever have been infected.

We have always recognized the fact that but 15 per cent of children are subject to diphtheria, no matter how thoroughly they are exposed. Statistics of every epidemic of diphtheria in every section of the country, if averaged, will show that average, with 85 per cent who are not infected. We have taken diphtheria antitoxin, we have used toxin-antitoxin and toxoid, and if we found a susceptibility or reaction to this, we have immunized that case against diphtheria by a series of three injections of anti diphtheric serum. We have to admit 15 per cent of the children are still unprotected because they take diphtheria. Isn’t that the same 15 percent? We have no way of proving it isn’t.

A number of years ago when we were just beginning to study diphtheria antitoxin minutely, Cook County, Ill., hospital decided to immunize one-half of the nursing staff and not the other half. Diphtheria broke out soon afterward among the immunized cases, not the others. It invaded both halves, both the immunized and the unimmunized, and the total of cases was much higher among the supposedly immunized cases than among those not immunized. We didn’t do much for those nurses.

When we took over the management of the Philippines and all of its destinies, we announced to the bloomin’ cockeyed world we were going to dean up smallpox in the Philippines. Well, we waited a few years but we did make a serious effort. In fact, in a population of 10,000,000 people we consummated 30,000,000 vaccinations within a period of 6 years. The Province of Rizal, of which Manila was the center, was the most accessible, of course; the little rascals couldn’t get away there, we could catch them, and did, and some of them were vaccinated three and four and five and six times in the 6 years. We were going to make it thorough. In Mindanao and some of the other more outlying provinces, more mountainous, we couldn’t catch the little rascals, so there was a smaller percentage of vaccinations In the outlying districts. Rizal had to take it.

Within 6 years of that time the Philippines suffered the worst attack of smallpox, the worst epidemic three times over, that had ever occurred in the history of the islands, and it was almost three times as fatal. The death rate ran as high as 60 per cent in certain areas where formerly it had been 10 and 15 per cent, and the thing that climaxed the whole point was this: In Rizal we had the highest incidence and the highest mortality of any part of the Archipelago. The Navy reported that vaccination of the sailors went on as regularly as drills, every so often they were vaccinated, but they had their usual percentage of smallpox, and yet they were protected!

Now we are asking in many States to have the privilege of deciding whether we will be vaccinated or not. No one wishes to deny his brother the privilege of being vaccinated if he has any faith in it, but here is the ridiculous thin g about it: The ones who are objecting to abolishing the law and who are insisting on vaccination are the ones who are afraid that they will take smallpox if their brothers are not vaccinated. Now if you are vaccinated, you are protected, aren’t you? What are you afraid of? Suppose your next-door neighbor does get smallpox because he was not vaccinated; that is his business; he has a right to have smallpox if he wants to; he can’t give it to you if you have been vaccinated, so what are you worrying about? Let him do as he pleases. That is all we are asking; we are not asking that they forbid vaccination. Let everyone have what he wants, but let us not compel those to have vaccination who know there is nothing in it, who know it is not a protection.

It is now 30 years since I have been confining myself to the treatment of chronic diseases. During those 30 years I have run against so many histories of little children who had never seen a sick day until they were vaccinated and who, in the several years that have followed, have never seen a well day since. I couldn’t put my finger on the disease they have. They just weren’t strong. Their resistance was gone. They were perfectly well before they were vaccinated. They have never been well since. Now you can’t record those as deaths from vaccination because they are still alive; but in England, where statistics are a little more frank than they are with us, where they ate kept a little more accurately, a little more aboveboard than In this country, the actual official records show three times as many deaths directly from vaccinations as from smallpox for the past 21 years. If they record three times as many deaths, I will guarantee, you that there are three times as many deaths that were not recorded that are directly traceable to vaccination. That doesn’t take into account the many, many cases of encephalitis or sleeping sickness, of this or that form of degeneration, that occur as a direct result of vaccination. That case Is still alive. It hasn’t entered here the mortality records yet, but it is suffering and has suffered ever since vaccination.

And if you have been dealing, as I have, with the derelicts from all over the world for 30 years, you would find an almost fatal relationship between this history of vaccination and some failing that follows this for many years that has kept a person from being as well as he should have been.

It is nonsense to think that you can inject pus-and it is usually from the pustule of the dead smallpox victim; that is the basis of it; we used to think it was from cowpox, but the manufacturers deny that and say the most reliable form originates in the pustule of someone who had died from smallpox-it is unthinkable that you can inject that into a little child and in anyway improve its health.

What Is true of vaccination is exactly as true of all forms of serum immunization, so called. There is no such thing as immunization, but we sell it under the name, “immunization”. We jab a needle full of pus germs, we will say the streptococcus, for instance, in attenuated form so it won’t pollute too badly, and we increase the dose or potency of that little by little until we build up what we call a resistance to it. You can do the same thing with the rattlesnake venom. You can be bitten just a little by a rattlesnake and not die, and If you are bitten often enough, you can be bitten In a vital part and not die; you have built up a resistance to the venom of the rattlesnake, but have you improved your physique by doing so? If we could by any means build up a natural resistance to disease through these artificial means, I would applaud it to the echo, but we can’t do it. The body has its own methods of defense. These depend on the vitality of the body at the time. If it is vital enough, it will resist all infections; if it isn’t vital enough, It won’t, and you can’t change the vitality of the body for the better by introducing poison of any kind into it.

http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2009/05/22/address-of-william-howard-hay-md/

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Below Are Many Other Examples of Epidemics Following Inoculations Compulsory Vaccination in the Philippine's Leads to Smallpox Epidemic

In 1905, following the commencement of systematic vaccination enforced by the US Government, an epidemic occurred where the case mortality ranged from 25% to 50% in different parts of the islands. In 1918-1919 with over 95% of the population vaccinated, the worst epidemic in the Philippine's history occurred resulting in a case mortality of 65%. The highest percentage occurred in the capital Manila , the most thoroughly vaccinated place. The lowest percentage occurred in Mindanao , the least vaccinated place owing to religious prejudices. Dr V de Jesus, Director of Health, stated that the 1918-1919 smallpox epidemic resulted in 60,855 deaths. The 1920 Report of the Philippines Health Service contains the following comments:

"From the time in which smallpox was practically eradicated in the city of Manila to the year 1918 (about 9 years) in which the epidemic appears certainly in one of its severest forms, hundreds after hundreds of thousands of people were yearly vaccinated with the most unfortunate result that the 1918 epidemic looks prima facie as a flagrant failure of the classic Immunization towards future epidemics". 1920 Report of the Philippines Health Service

"We were fortunate enough to address their own medical (and) health officials where we reminded them of the incidence of smallpox in formerly "immunized" Filipinos. We invited them to consult their own medical records and asked them to correct us if our own facts and figures disagreed. No such correction has been forthcoming, and we can only conclude that between 1918-1919 there were 112,549 cases of smallpox notified, with 60,855 deaths. Systematic (mass) vaccination started in 1905, and since its introduction case mortality increased alarmingly. Their own records comment that "The mortality is hardly explainable."-Second Thoughts on Disease by Kalokerinos & Dettman-The Survival Factor in Neoplastic and Viral Diseases, Dr. William Koch

Compulsory Vaccination in Germany Leads to Smallpox Epidemic

In Germany, in the years 1870-1871, over 1,000,000 people had smallpox, of which 120,000 died. 96 percent of these had been vaccinated. An address sent to the governments of the various German states from Bismarck, the Chancellor of Germany, contained the following comment: "the hopes placed in the efficacy of the cowpox virus as preventative of smallpox have proved entirely deceptive."

Compulsory Vaccination in Japan Leads to Smallpox Epidemic

In Japan in 1885, 13 years after compulsory vaccination commenced there in 1872, a law was passed requiring re-vaccination every seven years. From 1886 to 1892, 25,474,370 revaccinations were recorded in Japan . Yet during this same period, Japan had 156,175 cases of smallpox with 38,979 deaths, representing a case mortality of nearly 25 percent. In 1896, the Japanese Parliament passed another act requiring every Japanese resident to be vaccinated and re-vaccinated every 5 years. Between 1889 and 1908, there were 171,611 smallpox cases with 47,919 deaths - a case mortality of 30 percent. This case mortality exceeds the smallpox death rate of the pre-vaccination period when nobody was vaccinated. It is noteworthy that Australia at this time - one of the least-vaccinated countries in the world for smallpox - had only three smallpox cases in 15 years, in comparison with Japan 's record of 165,775 cases and 28,979 deaths, in merely a 6-year period of compulsory vaccination and re-vaccination.

Compulsory Vaccination in England leads to Smallpox Epidemic

In England, compulsory vaccination against smallpox was first introduced in 1852, yet in the period 1857 to 1859, a smallpox epidemic killed 14,244 people. In 1863 to 1865, a second epidemic claimed 20,059 lives. In 1867, a more stringent compulsory vaccination law was passed and those who evaded vaccination were prosecuted. After an intensive four-year effort to vaccinate the entire population between the ages of 2 and 50, the Chief Medical Officer of England announced in May 1871 that 97.5 percent had been vaccinated. In the following year, 1872, England experienced its worst-ever smallpox epidemic, which claimed 44,840 lives. Between 1871 and 1880, during the period of compulsory vaccination, the death rate from smallpox leapt from 28 to 46 per 100,000 population.By 1907, the Vaccination Acts of England were repealed, with the help of some of the world's preeminent scientists who had turned staunchly against vaccination; Alfred Russell Wallace (one of the founders of modern evolutionary biology and zoogeography, and co-discoverer with Charles Darwin of the Theory of Natural Selection), Charles Creighton (Britain's most learned epidemiologist and medical historian), William Farr (epidemiologist and medical statistician, first to describe how seasonal epidemics rise and fall - known today as Farr's Law"), and the renowned Dr. Edgar M. Crookshank, Professor of Bacteriology and Comparative Pathology in King's College, London, and author of the scathing scientific critique of vaccination, The History and Pathology of Vaccination (1889). But before the law was amended in 1898 to include a conscientious exemption clause, an average of 2,000 parents per year were jailed and prosecuted - some repeatedly - for resisting vaccination. Large numbers went to prison in default of paying fines. Hundreds had their homes and possessions seized.

Compulsory Vaccination in Italy Leads to Smallpox Epidemic

" Italy was one of the best-vaccinated countries in the world, if not the best of all. For twenty years before 1885, our nation was vaccinated in the proportion of 98.5 percent. Notwithstanding, the epidemics of smallpox that we have had have been something so frightful that nothing before the invention of vaccination could equal them. During 1887, we had 16,249 deaths from smallpox; in 1888, we had 18,110, and in 1889, 131,413."

http://pblake.wrytestuff.com/swa564538-The-Deadly-Vaccination-History-And-Some-Unknown-Facts-About-The-1918-Spanish.htm

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^^^^^

I try to avoid personal attacks in internet debates, but you're an idiot. Effective small pox vaccines were not made until the 1940s. Everyone knew that there were many problems with the previous vaccines and they were not 100% effective.

Do you really think we should make medical policy choices based on statements made be doctors in the 1930s? Perhaps we should make lobotomies mandatory for homosexuals too? You are litterally arguing that we should put modern medicine back 85 years.

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I never trust anyone that's motivated for money. The pharmaceutical industry, how much money do they need?

Like you said, we have survived this long. Why would we need to start adding all these things to our bodies?

It's only asking for trouble.

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