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#121 GLASSJAW

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 01:16 AM

I'll answer the rest later, as I have to finish a paper tonight, but holy hell Glassjaw, you really need to stop putting up strawmen. When have I ever claimed that the explanation of sexuality is not complex? When did I ever imply that you were a homophobe? When in any of my posts did I discount the possibility of post-natal factors playing a role in sexuality? My only point in my last post is that the consensus of the scientific community is that pre-natal factors play a role in sexuality. That is all. Somehow you managed to miss that.


You didn't accuse me of homophobia, others did, which is why I put that in there. I was being sarcastic.

If you didn't discount the possibility of post-natal factors playing a role in sexuality, then we have absolutely nothing to discuss. What in the world are you typing to me for, then? That was my issue in the first place. I never denied that there could be pre-natal factors in the role of sexuality. I said that there is no fact (yet) that says sexuality, period, is determined before someone is born. You literally just said that yourself within your last posts, and I obviously don't disagree. What the hell are you taking exception to? Why are you even talking to me?

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#122 GLASSJAW

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 01:29 AM

Personally, I can't recall when I chose to be straight. I don't imagine many gay people can either. To say "we don't know" and pretend there's nothing to discuss would leave very few things to talk about.


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#123 GodzillaDeuce

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 01:30 AM

Why are you even talking to me?


obviously it's such a delightful experience that he can't get enough of it

well I'm sorry that gd is soo perfect


#124 Satan's Evil Twin

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 08:16 AM

typing for the sake of reading your own words


Dit...to..? :huh:

I guess I won't waste my time on this thread. Cheers. :sadno:

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 09:02 PM

Gotta add my two cents...I know, that's all they're worth in this forum.


I used to post here a lot. I must say, the old "Crew" around here ticked me off, but not as much as the new one. They share a lot of the same qualities...in that they post way too much, will argue tooth and nail with every weapon in the book, and disregard anything that is not scientifically proven or commonly accepted. Not much free thought... I mean, when I post about things that I am interested in, I don't post them as concrete facts, but more so as ideas that could be considered by people who would hopefully value equal conversation...to question reality and what we know in hopes of understanding what we don't...Yet still, they are pounced on and ripped to shreds by the hoards of seemingly paid or unpaid trolls, hellbend with way too much time and much too much to prove as far as their beliefs go.

I find myself wishing for the old Sharpshooter character as opposed to the new incarnations. Even if it's the same idea, at least the topics chosen by the former were enjoyable and slightly of my interest. These days it's all quite twisted and far from what I call comfortable that I rarely even post here.

Hopefully some new and more entertaining and intelligent trolls chose to rule this forum in the future as the current regime not only bores but irks me to no end :picard: .

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 09:14 PM

Amen, OP.

“Religious liberty might be supposed to mean that everybody is free to discuss religion. In practice it means that hardly anybody is allowed to mention it.”


“Reason is itself a matter of faith. It is an act of faith to assert that our thoughts have any relation to reality at all.” - G.K. Chesterton

“Unbelief is as much of a choice as belief is. What makes it in many ways more appealing is that whereas to believe in something requires some measure of understanding and effort, not to believe doesn't require much of anything at all.” - Frederick Buechner

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 12:03 AM

it bothers me when more and more posters and people in real life use the word "ignorant"
more so with users on this board

when someone expresses an opinion or belief, it's usually followed by people describing this person as ignorant........i've only read the first page of this thread and i've already seen a couple of posts where people are describing others as "ignorant"........ seriously, what do you mean when you say that? For a person who described another as ignorant from a post, I could write tons of things that the former person is ignorant of

before using this word, think: everyone has his/her opinion/belief; and not everyone has the knowledge/information as you do.........so if you don't know this fact, does it make you "ignorant" as well as a hypocrite?

i get the general meaning of the word is like being oblivious to a known fact....but i've seen plenty of times when this word is used inappropriately......hell i probably have the definition wrong so does this make me ignorant? perhaps, but if you're going to judge do you realize many people perhaps including you and me probably don't know the definition of this word? but people who describe others as "ignorant" all the time makes it look like they know everything and then belittle the knowledge of the other person

anyway my post probably doesn't make much sense cause i'm sleepy but just a rant of mine because i rarely come on this board now with posters judging one another all the time
if you're going to judge someone's post, please provide facts that support your counter-arguments for the post so don't just say the person is "ignorant"

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 09:19 AM

The Gay Gene was disproven several years ago. You aren't born that way , you are nurtured that way.
First is Estrogen, from plastics, soy, dairy, meat, pesticides,birth control pills being flushed into the water supply, and other sources. The result is that girls that consume alot of these are going into puberty way too young, and boys far too late.
Mothers who consume excess estrogen during pregnancy, and then feed soy formula in plastic baby bottles accentuate the problem.
Next is alienation, and lack of love from same gender role models. If a mother is cruel and agressive, and a father indiferrent, or absent, then both the girl, and boy will seek out same sex role models that they can feel love and acceptance from.If a boy has a cruel mother then he will think all women are cruel, and naturally only trust men, and love men.Same with a girl, if she belives men are useless, or cruel, and her mother does'nt show love and respect, she will seek out the love of women only. Bisexuals are somewhere in between.
Male sperm counts have gone down by 50% in the last 30 years due to this estronization of our nutrition.
Throw in no more male care givers or teachers, free gay porn, gay tv role models, and Lady "not" Gaga 'born that way", and you have just the perfect combination to make the world gay!
Much like Language, Martial Arts or anything in life we learn by repetition and mimicking our teachers.
Have a good day OK?

Edited by Hotdawg, 08 April 2012 - 09:35 AM.


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Posted 08 April 2012 - 10:36 AM

You sure about under 17? I used to post here a few years back, members were mostly older at that time. It's not really just a "message board" thing, it's the fact these people are members of society and probably exhibit similar beliefs/attitudes in society. But, I do take some of these posts a bit too serious, mostly because of how annoying it is.


Agree with everything you say, extremists=annoying as hell!

This is not about my beliefs, I even mentioned I am far from a religious person.

Goes to show you people don't even read. They just react to the title or first sentence. Part of the problem of people spewing hate, they don't even know what they're hating.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 03:25 PM

The Gay Gene was disproven several years ago. You aren't born that way , you are nurtured that way.
First is Estrogen, from plastics, soy, dairy, meat, pesticides,birth control pills being flushed into the water supply, and other sources. The result is that girls that consume alot of these are going into puberty way too young, and boys far too late.
Mothers who consume excess estrogen during pregnancy, and then feed soy formula in plastic baby bottles accentuate the problem.
Next is alienation, and lack of love from same gender role models. If a mother is cruel and agressive, and a father indiferrent, or absent, then both the girl, and boy will seek out same sex role models that they can feel love and acceptance from.If a boy has a cruel mother then he will think all women are cruel, and naturally only trust men, and love men.Same with a girl, if she belives men are useless, or cruel, and her mother does'nt show love and respect, she will seek out the love of women only. Bisexuals are somewhere in between.
Male sperm counts have gone down by 50% in the last 30 years due to this estronization of our nutrition.
Throw in no more male care givers or teachers, free gay porn, gay tv role models, and Lady "not" Gaga 'born that way", and you have just the perfect combination to make the world gay!
Much like Language, Martial Arts or anything in life we learn by repetition and mimicking our teachers.
Have a good day OK?


Wait what? I mean I'm not going to talk about anything but this but it's not like gay porn is the only stuff you can find for free.
People talk about pressure like it's something negative. Pressure means your actions have meaning, that people care about whether you succeed or fail. Pressure is everything.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 04:25 PM

The Gay Gene was disproven several years ago. You aren't born that way , you are nurtured that way.
First is Estrogen, from plastics, soy, dairy, meat, pesticides,birth control pills being flushed into the water supply, and other sources. The result is that girls that consume alot of these are going into puberty way too young, and boys far too late.
Mothers who consume excess estrogen during pregnancy, and then feed soy formula in plastic baby bottles accentuate the problem.
Next is alienation, and lack of love from same gender role models. If a mother is cruel and agressive, and a father indiferrent, or absent, then both the girl, and boy will seek out same sex role models that they can feel love and acceptance from.If a boy has a cruel mother then he will think all women are cruel, and naturally only trust men, and love men.Same with a girl, if she belives men are useless, or cruel, and her mother does'nt show love and respect, she will seek out the love of women only. Bisexuals are somewhere in between.
Male sperm counts have gone down by 50% in the last 30 years due to this estronization of our nutrition.
Throw in no more male care givers or teachers, free gay porn, gay tv role models, and Lady "not" Gaga 'born that way", and you have just the perfect combination to make the world gay!
Much like Language, Martial Arts or anything in life we learn by repetition and mimicking our teachers.
Have a good day OK?


You are so stupid it's actually unbelievable.
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Posted 09 April 2012 - 03:03 AM

The Gay Gene was disproven several years ago. You aren't born that way , you are nurtured that way.
First is Estrogen, from plastics, soy, dairy, meat, pesticides,birth control pills being flushed into the water supply, and other sources. The result is that girls that consume alot of these are going into puberty way too young, and boys far too late.
Mothers who consume excess estrogen during pregnancy, and then feed soy formula in plastic baby bottles accentuate the problem.
Next is alienation, and lack of love from same gender role models. If a mother is cruel and agressive, and a father indiferrent, or absent, then both the girl, and boy will seek out same sex role models that they can feel love and acceptance from.If a boy has a cruel mother then he will think all women are cruel, and naturally only trust men, and love men.Same with a girl, if she belives men are useless, or cruel, and her mother does'nt show love and respect, she will seek out the love of women only. Bisexuals are somewhere in between.
Male sperm counts have gone down by 50% in the last 30 years due to this estronization of our nutrition.
Throw in no more male care givers or teachers, free gay porn, gay tv role models, and Lady "not" Gaga 'born that way", and you have just the perfect combination to make the world gay!
Much like Language, Martial Arts or anything in life we learn by repetition and mimicking our teachers.
Have a good day OK?


What the actual ****...

#133 debluvscanucks

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 07:09 AM

The Gay Gene was disproven several years ago. You aren't born that way , you are nurtured that way.
First is Estrogen, from plastics, soy, dairy, meat, pesticides,birth control pills being flushed into the water supply, and other sources. The result is that girls that consume alot of these are going into puberty way too young, and boys far too late.
Mothers who consume excess estrogen during pregnancy, and then feed soy formula in plastic baby bottles accentuate the problem.
Next is alienation, and lack of love from same gender role models. If a mother is cruel and agressive, and a father indiferrent, or absent, then both the girl, and boy will seek out same sex role models that they can feel love and acceptance from.If a boy has a cruel mother then he will think all women are cruel, and naturally only trust men, and love men.Same with a girl, if she belives men are useless, or cruel, and her mother does'nt show love and respect, she will seek out the love of women only. Bisexuals are somewhere in between.
Male sperm counts have gone down by 50% in the last 30 years due to this estronization of our nutrition.
Throw in no more male care givers or teachers, free gay porn, gay tv role models, and Lady "not" Gaga 'born that way", and you have just the perfect combination to make the world gay!
Much like Language, Martial Arts or anything in life we learn by repetition and mimicking our teachers.
Have a good day OK?


So where are you getting this information? You state it like fact, but what are your credentials?

And what about the boy I knew who, in looking back, showed very strong signs of being gay in Grad 3-4 then did reveal himself to be so many years later? And no, the family was intact and quite "normal" by all standards...there was nothing influencing or pushing hm in a particular direction. It was just always clearly obvious - and before it was something that was openly discussed as it is now. So I don't believe you...sorry.

I know several gay people who would argue your points and I tend to think they understand more about it. They would be the "experts" on the subject as far as I'm concerned. And they have indicated that they have felt, since birth, that they are the way they are...that it wasn't anything learned.

The reason there isn't scientific data to back things up is because there isn't a need/demand to conduct the research - it's obviously a costly thing and it isn't deemed important enough to study.

i'm saying that the claim that people are BORN with homosexuality in their blood is a claim that cannot be supported as fact, yet.


Bocklandt was once a mere science journalist. It was while producing a documentary for Belgian TV that he first met geneticist Dean Hamer. Hamer had just published a study that claimed not only to have finally proved that male homosexuality was at least partially genetic but also to have pinpointed the stretch of chromosome where one of the genes involved resided. Hamer and his colleagues conducted extensive interviews with 76 pairs of gay brothers and their family members and found that homosexuality seemed to be inherited through the maternal line. This led him to compare the X chromosomes—which can be inherited only from the mother—in those same brothers. There he discovered a shared genetic marker, a patch of DNA called Xq28. Interviews with the subjects also revealed them to be either gay or straight. (In this respect, men are entirely different from women....


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The role of genetics in male sexual orientation was investigated by pedigree and linkage analyses on 114 families of homosexual men. Increased rates of same-sex orientation were found in the maternal uncles and male cousins of these subjects, but not in their fathers or paternal relatives, suggesting the possibility of sex-linked transmission in a portion of the population. DNA linkage analysis of a selected group of 40 families in which there were two gay brothers and no indication of nonmaternal transmission revealed a correlation between homosexual orientation and the inheritance of polymorphic markers on the X chromosome in approximately 64 percent of the sib-pairs tested. The linkage to markers on Xq28, the subtelomeric region of the long arm of the sex chromosome, had a multipoint lod score of 4.0 (P = 10(-5), indicating a statistical confidence level of more than 99 percent that at least one subtype of male sexual orientation is genetically influenced.
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Hypothetical placement of the "gay gene," on the X chromosome.


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#134 Nathan MacKinnon

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 07:25 AM

You guys should all take a chill pill. If you dont like what someone is saying about gay people or religious people, then you can ignore them. Instead you choose to rip them

+1 this post!

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#135 Aleksandr Pistoletov

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 09:06 AM

The Gay Gene was disproven several years ago. You aren't born that way , you are nurtured that way.
First is Estrogen, from plastics, soy, dairy, meat, pesticides,birth control pills being flushed into the water supply, and other sources. The result is that girls that consume alot of these are going into puberty way too young, and boys far too late.
Mothers who consume excess estrogen during pregnancy, and then feed soy formula in plastic baby bottles accentuate the problem.
Next is alienation, and lack of love from same gender role models. If a mother is cruel and agressive, and a father indiferrent, or absent, then both the girl, and boy will seek out same sex role models that they can feel love and acceptance from.If a boy has a cruel mother then he will think all women are cruel, and naturally only trust men, and love men.Same with a girl, if she belives men are useless, or cruel, and her mother does'nt show love and respect, she will seek out the love of women only. Bisexuals are somewhere in between.
Male sperm counts have gone down by 50% in the last 30 years due to this estronization of our nutrition.
Throw in no more male care givers or teachers, free gay porn, gay tv role models, and Lady "not" Gaga 'born that way", and you have just the perfect combination to make the world gay!
Much like Language, Martial Arts or anything in life we learn by repetition and mimicking our teachers.
Have a good day OK?

I would love to see what proof lies behind this myriad of conclusions.. because from what I've seen thus far the genetics theory has the most.

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#136 Satan's Evil Twin

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 09:15 AM

Amen, OP.

“Religious liberty might be supposed to mean that everybody is free to discuss religion. In practice it means that hardly anybody is allowed to mention it.”



God, talk about a victim complex. :picard:

Atheists used to be killed by Christians (and are still by some) for being atheist, but you feel having your views challenged on the internet is tantamount to being oppressed.

If only there wasn't a fundamentalist Christian running for President. If only churches weren't on every corner, more common than convenient stores. If only atheists moved off the internet and started visiting your house to convert you weekly. If only atheists infringed on your rights to free speech, you'd actually have a point.

Let's look at reality: Atheists are most distrusted, we have no churches, it's Christians who come to people's doors, and it's Christian dogmatic legislation that infringes on rights of women, gays, children.

No no, you can't mention your religion. Heaven forbid. Do you know what will happen if someone finds out you're a Christian? NOTHING.

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Father (Peace be upon You) Satan (Peace be upon You), I call to you (Peace be upon You) from the deepest parts of my heart, I praise your (Peace be upon You) name with every breath of my body, I worship you (Peace be upon You) with every fiber of my being. You (Peace be upon You) shown me what true strength is. You (Peace be upon You) have shown me what true love is. Out of the darkness you (Peace be upon You) came to show me the true light.


My master (Peace be upon You), my father (Peace be upon You) and my friend (Peace be upon You) what a great gift that is.


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#137 EmployeeoftheMonth

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 11:33 AM

You guys should all take a chill pill. If you dont like what someone is saying about gay people or religious people, then you can ignore them. Instead you choose to rip them


This isn't a comment section it's a discussion board.

Given that fact you have it backwards. If someone doesn't want their opinion to be ripped on and questioned they should keep it to themselves. Glassjaw is more than capable of defending his opinions and devils advocate moments and he's shown that in this thread...others maybe not so much.
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