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Sulzer Has More Points Than Kassian And Gragnani Put Together

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Whom played better then Miller, an Olympian.

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First of all did anyone expect to judge this trade based on points?

We signed a tough guy, and one of the best shutdown men in the league, its almost a given the new players we acquired wont generate as much scoring, however they fill defensive and toughness roles we needed.

Its not all about points! Gillis did not make these trades thinking they will generate more points and scoring. That should be obvious.

Also sulzer caused a goal tonight on a bad defensive play.

I like sulzer but i am not sure there was room for him on our team right now. I may have kept him over mags but it will take a year or two yet to judge these trades.

I would place

Hamhuis

Bieksa

Tanev

Ballard

Salo

Edler

ahead of sulzer so we just did not really have room for him.

We also really dont need any more offensive defense men, we need solid shut down guys like tanev who has done extremely well imo.

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Oooopppssss... Didn't see this before I posted my poll. I am usually on CDC enough that I don't have to search but since I haven't been on as much I guess I should get back in the habit!

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Nope. The sort of thing that people with common sense would say.

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And the Sabres are fighting for their playoffs lives. :bored:

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Buffalo is a desparate team right now, even more so with Erhoff out for the foreseeable future, the fact that Sulzer can come in and help put up points is awesome. Desparate times call for desparate measures, hopefully Sulzer can keep up the good fight for them.

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Do people not understand that a trade's value also depends on its context?

Sulzer was a 6th/7th defenceman here, so he would never put up the points he is putting up in Buffalo. Meanwhile Hodgson was stuck on the 3rd line here and would never get 1st or 2nd line minutes.

Give Kassian and Gragnani some more time with this organization, they'll figure it out.

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Sulzer & Hodgson: Traded to a much weaker team and immediately get slotted in much higher on the depth chart, receive much more ice-time including PP time. Sulzer produces better, Hodgson produces the same.

Kassian: Slotted into a defined role where no offense is expected of him, receives 4th line ice-time.

CDC: OMFG WE GOT HOSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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Not every trade needs to have a clear winner or loser. Sometimes both teams have their needs addressed.

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Obviously the Canucks will lose the trade over the life-time. But the idea was to sacrifice long-term for a short-term boost - meaning we are better now for the next two-three playoff runs. But sheesh, we're even losing the trade short-term.

Kassian's shown no intimidation factor... teams still run around against like us like normal.

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Exactly what I was going to say. We had too much depth for him to prove himself here, I'm happy for him that he's had the chance to play in Buffalo and he's contributed.

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Yeah, our outstanding "depth" of Alberts and Rome. Where have those guys been lately? Sulzer was never given a real chance here, plain and simple. He still had decent stats to show in his 12 games played. Rome was automatically placed higher in the depth chart after coming back from injury without question.

I still don't really see your point.

-must win game

-down 3 goals going into the 2nd period

-Ehrhoff, best defenseman not in the lineup

The fact is that he still came up clutch. And if the Canucks need a win against the Oilers to clinch the President's Trophy, is everyone in the GDT going to be going "oh our clutch guy was just scoring against the oilers".

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Yeah, our outstanding "depth" of Alberts and Rome. Where have those guys been lately? Sulzer was never given a real chance here, plain and simple. He still had decent stats to show in his 12 games played. Rome was automatically placed higher in the depth chart after coming back from injury without question.

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Yup, the trade is definitely a bust. Totally agree. Canucks suck.

Lets go cheer for whoever wins the most games in the league...oh wait, that's the canucks... so I see how you got here.

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Are you aware that the Canucks aren't a developing team like the Oilers are? Kassian would be a much better fit on the Oil since his development and the team's development are both on the same time line. Everyone who watches hockey a lot knows Hodgson is farther along the development process. And Kassian, while tougher than Hodgson, makes no discernible difference in the team toughness level.

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Are you aware that the Canucks aren't a developing team like the Oilers are? Kassian would be a much better fit on the Oil since his development and the team's development are both on the same time line. Everyone who watches hockey a lot knows Hodgson is farther along the development process. And Kassian, while tougher than Hodgson, makes no discernible difference in the team toughness level.

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Now that Gragnani has been exposed as a Chicago D man for next year we also have no Hodgson scoring depth,no Sulzer d depth and no effective power forward depth for the playoffs.

The addition of Pahlsson mitigates the loss of Hodgson but the loss of Sulzer for Gragnani and the innefectiveness of Kassian makes this trade a loss for this year's playoff run.

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Now that Gragnani has been exposed as a Chicago D man for next year we also have no Hodgson scoring depth,no Sulzer d depth and no effective power forward depth for the playoffs.

The addition of Pahlsson mitigates the loss of Hodgson but the loss of Sulzer for Gragnani and the innefectiveness of Kassian makes this trade a loss for this year's playoff run.

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No, I agree he was never given the opportunity to prove himself, which is what I said. And by depth, I meant by AV's standards.

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