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This Is Why Detroit-Pittsburgh Was An Anomaly


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#1 D-Money

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:26 AM

Historically, teams that go to the finals one year do not do well the next. The long season of wear-and-tear, injuries, and a short offseason take their toll. By going that deep, you are automatically at a disadvantage against 28/29 of the rest of the league.

2011 - Chicago barely squeaks into the playoffs, and goes down 3-0 before we get overconfident and let them back in...but they still lose. Philly needs 7 games to beat Buffalo, and then gets steamrolled by Boston.

2010 - Pittsburgh gets an easy first round opponent in Ottawa, but still needs 6 games to beat them. Then Montreal suts them down. Detroit needs 7 games to get by the even easier Coyotes, then go down 3-0 to San Jose, plays one outstanding game, then folds.

2009 - Pittsburgh and Detroit - anomaly.

2008 - Anaheim loses in the first round to Dallas. Ottawa is swept in the first round by Pittsburgh.

2007 - Neither Carolina or Edmonton even makes the playoffs.

(Before the lockout powerhouse teams could simply load up on allstars without dealing with the cap, but it was still quite rare for a finals team to follow it up with another great showing.)

IMO, this is what we're seeing right now. The Canucks look worn out. And when they do manage to get their energy up and move their legs quickly, they are missing what anyone else is missing while working under exhaustion - alertness. Passes are way-off, and the puck carrier too often doesn't seem to have any idea as to who is open and where they are.

At the very least, when they are eliminated, I will take some solace in the fact that they'll get a full offseason, and try to make next year count. I don't think too many major line-up changes need to be made - we simply need energy.

We definitely need a new coach though. I really like AV, but his time is simply up here. It happens to almost every coach.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:48 AM

Rumours of AV's ability have been greatly exaggerated. That being said, our team is not out yet. Every game we lose though I hear a chuckling AV saying "any more goals than the one you need to win the game is a waste". Were I the GM I wouldn't wait, fire him now and take a chance on the players getting behind a new face. But that is just me, and I know the majority disagree, as they have since the first time AV's team failed to make the playoffs while using his "one goal game" strategy. Its a double edged sword, and while you may win the coin flip 63 times in a hundred, the odds of you losing any given coin flip of a one goal game are still just as bad as they are good.

Av's first year here: 49 wins 3rd seed in playoffs
Av's second year here: 39 wins failed to make playoffs

The rest of his time here: attempting to say that his success is him, rather than the superstars he is holding back.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:49 AM

Well-reasoned arguments, except for the fact that Boston still has a chance to win their series. (Though if they can only score 2 goals on an AHL goalie in 120+ minutes, they might be in trouble...)

Well... technically, so do the Canucks, but you know what I mean.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:49 AM

"NHL REFS" are an "ANOMALY"...'CBS CARES'

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:55 AM

Well-reasoned arguments, except for the fact that Boston still has a chance to win their series. (Though if they can only score 2 goals on an AHL goalie in 120+ minutes, they might be in trouble...)

Well... technically, so do the Canucks, but you know what I mean.


Boston has been handed a struggling team whose #1 center and #1 D-man have missed most of the season due to injury, and are likely nowhere near 100%. On top of that, the Caps are playing their 3rd-string goalie.

The Bruins should be absolutely DOMINATING them. And even if they get it together and win, it's only one round. At this rate, Philly will pick them apart.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:00 AM

Boston has been handed a struggling team whose #1 center and #1 D-man have missed most of the season due to injury, and are likely nowhere near 100%. On top of that, the Caps are playing their 3rd-string goalie.

The Bruins should be absolutely DOMINATING them. And even if they get it together and win, it's only one round. At this rate, Philly will pick them apart.


O, I agree entirely. Philly will represent the East and Boston doesn't win more than 6 playoff games this year.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:02 AM

I had the same thought about the situation our Canucks are facing.If they dont win this series,they`ll just be well rested for next season.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:07 AM

Luongo and AV came to canucks the same year. Luongo was absolutely incredible in his first year here. If we had that Luongo right now, we'd be up 3-0. This isn't a hate on Luongo. I'm just saying that Luongo playing in god-mode that season is the only reason AV was given the jack adams. Luongo is the only reason for the jack adams. It doesn't take a genius to realize that if you have no one that can score that you have to play defensively (AV's first year with canucks).

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:14 AM

These "CBS Cares" things arent getting annoying at all.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:02 AM

These "CBS Cares" things arent getting annoying at all.


You actually read his posts? I stopped ages ago.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:08 AM

I fully expected it this year . I was hopeful when we had that great stretch to win the presidents trophy but when I saw them go down in games 1 and 2 and then reviewed everthing (via pvr) I realized a few things .

First they are dead tired out there, plays that Kes, Juice, Hammer, Bur even Henrik would make blindfolded were all slow compared to last year .

Second . I hate joining this wagon but I think its got some truth to it . They had an easy division this year which led to Presidents trophy.

Third. they need to deal with the Lap, Kes, Bur issue Lap is the worst imho but they need to Shut up and play this year and next .I love all three and what they bring game wise but its getting annoying to watch them constantly be so blatant about "the other stuff".

I'm hoping to see a shake up MG stays AV goes . I kinda think AV is the one telling Bur Kess and Lap to go out there and cause a comotion on the ice . not working anymore.

I am not ready to throw the team itself under the bus but there are a few things that need to be addressed such as Kassian , he should be sent to the minors most of next year to develope much like cody did . When he is ready he will be a beast right now he looks lost out there I acutally feel bad for him . They need to deal with the Cory/ Roberto issue . I am not gonna get into a debate about the franchise goalie but I will say with the way the game is moving into a more agressive style against goal tenders and how the goals are being scored up high more often now , Cory is the better choice since he has a style that allows less shots and less goals in the upper portion of the net . Its a tough decision but I think the right choice would be to keep cory . As far as Lu's no trade clause that can changed . They can make him want to leave if they really wanted to .


postives I see with the team . Booth , Higgins, Lap(hardworking lap not yapping lap), Hansen among many other things .

We arent out yet and I hope we win at least two or three games in a row maybe even squeak out a game seven and go to the next round but whatever happens I'm cool with it knowing that the team really did thier best .

(Had to edit the Presidents Cup to the presidents trophy was just reading a Golf article )

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:33 AM

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Good points.

Lu/Schneids will be quite the decision. However, Gillis will get far more of a return for Schneider. And the team could use both an upgrade in our top-4 defensemen and top-6 forwards.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:36 AM

It would also hurt the growth of the nhl in the southern states. I think that's the real reason why...

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 12:53 PM

It would also hurt the growth of the nhl in the southern states. I think that's the real reason why...


Yes - that's the reason why we let Brown score 2 shorthanded goals!

Thanks for clearing that up.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 12:58 PM

You actually read his posts? I stopped ages ago.

Yeah what IS that? Why?

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:33 PM

Yeah what IS that? Why?


No one knows...or cares.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 03:12 PM

No one knows...or cares.

Except CBS apparently..

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 03:16 PM

Two mvp's. Two vezina-calibre goaltenders. A selke winner and a future norris winner. All not enough to duplicate Pittsburghs or Detroits repeat trips to the finals.

Nah, scratch that. It's easy! Cheers.


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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:19 PM

Yes - that's the reason why we let Brown score 2 shorthanded goals!

Thanks for clearing that up.


Obviously we screwed that up pretty badly. But it's no coincidence that the teams that are making the finals every year are big market teams, and almost always American.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:48 PM

Heres my take
During those runs to the finals, your guys are at their best and having career years that year, as we were last year

We've leveled off this year with our top players under preforming, who knows why

Also a big thing I must say that is a factor is, players with expiring contracts, they sure played a lot better in the last year of their contract... Then the following year they get raises, and not only do they not preform at as high of a level, but it cuts away from being able to resign other guys or bring in pieces to make your team better and make it back to the finals.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:04 PM

Coach V is a great coach, don't beak him

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:05 PM

in the NHL MLB and NBA only 4 teams have come back from 0-3 in 297 tries.

everyone just needs to come to grips with reality and hope we get our sh!t together next year, cause we failed hard this time

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:25 PM

At the very least, when they are eliminated, I will take some solace in the fact that they'll get a full offseason, and try to make next year count. I don't think too many major line-up changes need to be made - we simply need energy.



Not to mention, we will have less injuries coming into the new season. And for goodness sakes, let's not worry about the President's Trophy next year.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 06:46 AM

To all those touting alleged conspiracies in terms of big markets and the U.S., let's break it down.

As of the moment the last Stanley Cup was contested, there were 6 Canadian teams. In the two biggest states of the U.S., California and New York State, there are a combined total of 6 teams. Let's look at the break downs of Canadian teams and American teams from the 2 biggest states in the U.S. in the last 20 Stanley Cup finals,, and see if numbers bare-out the conspiracy theories.

Canadian teams in Bold, New York/California teams in Italics.

1993:
Montreal def. LA Kings
1994:
New York def. Vancouver
1995:
New Jersey def. Detroit
1996:
Colorado def. Florida
1997:
Detroit def. Philadelphia
1998:
Detroit def. Washington
1999:
Dallas def. Buffalo
2000:
New Jersey def. Dallas
2001:
Colorado def. New Jersey
2002:
Detroit def. Carolina
2003:
New Jersey def. Anaheim
2004:
Tampa Bay def. Calgary
2006:
Carolina def. Edmonton
2007:
Anaheim def. Ottawa
2008
Detroit def. Pittsburgh
2009
Pittsburgh def. Detroit
2010:
Chicago def. Philadelphia
2011:
Boston def. Vancouver

By my count, during the last 20 years, Canadian teams have appeared in the final: 6 times (about as often as a demographic segment representing 1/5 of the league should get, right?)
While teams from the states of New York and California (who have equal numbers of teams as Canada did prior to this year) were in the cup final:
5 times. Less often than the same sample size. If that's a conspiracy in favour of big market teams, I don't know what to tell ya, other than maybe to re-check your definition of conspiracy.

Now, if you want to just bring it down to the post-lockout era, Canadian teams have made the final 3 times to California-NY's combined 1 time. So, again, if there's a conspiracy brewing, they might want to change their strategy, so it can be... you know... a little more effective?
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 07:19 AM

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Thanks, TSF...saved me from having to post.

Anybody who thinks Pittsburgh is a "big market team" is sorely mistaken.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:12 AM

We've leveled off this year with our top players under preforming, who knows why


The point of this thread is to point out why.

Long playoff run + short offseason = tired, injured, less-conditioned, emotionally-drained players by next playoffs.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:14 AM

Now that the series is done, I still stand by my OP - the team is good, and with a few small changes (and maybe an infusion of some youth), will be a lot better poised to go deep next year.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:44 AM

Now that the series is done, I still stand by my OP - the team is good, and with a few small changes (and maybe an infusion of some youth), will be a lot better poised to go deep next year.


yes, the extra rest they are getting this playoff season should go a long way next year. ;)

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:19 AM

Bruins out in 1st round, despite playing a weakened Capitals team. More proof that a long run one year hampers you the next.

Sharks out quickly. Tampa didn't even make it. Perhaps just making it to the Conference Finals does enough damage...
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:22 AM

Another excuse? Those Pittsburgh and Detroit teams were elite, Canucks have yet to come close to that style of play.




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