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#61 goalie13

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 08:34 PM

Yes you are right that the Canucks would have been screwed but that doesn't mean anything because he DID NOT sign for two years!!!


Sure it does. The thread is about the moves he made. His move was to offer 2 years at $10M each.
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 08:41 PM

Sure it does. The thread is about the moves he made. His move was to offer 2 years at $10M each.


Ok by moves, I mean the moves on which he put pen to paper. Kind of thought that was implied.

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 09:05 PM

Ok by moves, I mean the moves on which he put pen to paper. Kind of thought that was implied.


But that's exactly why it can be hard to truly evaluate a GM's performance. For the most part, we only know the moves he actually made. Sundin's case is a little different because we know what he was offered. What we don't know are all the moves he has tried to make but wasn't successful.

Let's say MG made a pitch for Parise, but the Canucks just didn't have what the Devils were looking for, or someone else had more to give. Does that mean MG is a poor GM because the Devils didn't want what he had to offer?

Or... how about MG's attempt to get David Backes? Just because he didn't get Backes in the line-up does that mean we shouldn't count the attempt against his performance as GM?

Personally, I think he has done a fairly decent job as GM. I just also think he got lucky Sundin didn't take his initial offer. This could be a very different looking roster if he had.

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 09:19 PM

Why doesn't the Sundin move count?


Sundin was washed up by the time he got to us. There was no point in getting him at all.
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 09:28 PM

But that's exactly why it can be hard to truly evaluate a GM's performance. For the most part, we only know the moves he actually made. Sundin's case is a little different because we know what he was offered. What we don't know are all the moves he has tried to make but wasn't successful.

Let's say MG made a pitch for Parise, but the Canucks just didn't have what the Devils were looking for, or someone else had more to give. Does that mean MG is a poor GM because the Devils didn't want what he had to offer?

Or... how about MG's attempt to get David Backes? Just because he didn't get Backes in the line-up does that mean we shouldn't count the attempt against his performance as GM?

Personally, I think he has done a fairly decent job as GM. I just also think he got lucky Sundin didn't take his initial offer. This could be a very different looking roster if he had.


See the problem with this is that almost all the other gms could have possibly tried to get Parise as well, so we can only judge him on what he has actually done and not what he could have done. And I agree that he has been a good GM but sometimes you need to take a chance to be better not just stay at the same level.

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 09:44 PM

See the problem with this is that almost all the other gms could have possibly tried to get Parise as well, so we can only judge him on what he has actually done and not what he could have done. And I agree that he has been a good GM but sometimes you need to take a chance to be better not just stay at the same level.


Agreed. That's what makes it laughable the way some people rip into Gillis at times. We just don't know what's happening (or not happening) behind the scenes.
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 09:49 PM

Sundin was washed up by the time he got to us. There was no point in getting him at all.


The fact that he wasn't a great player anymore only makes it more "ballsy".

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 09:53 PM

Right because trading a young offensive center man for a younger power forward (who's a faster skater) wasn't ballsy. Give your head a shake.

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 09:59 PM

The fact that he wasn't a great player anymore only makes it more "ballsy".


LOL can't argue with that

Edit: I love how most people are just looking at the "ballsyness" when my actual questions was if the team needed a big change or just some small changes this off-season.

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 10:54 PM

Sundin was washed up by the time he got to us. There was no point in getting him at all.


Except the fact that he helped Kesler break out and during that year, he had 8 point in 8 games in the playoffs. Yeah, no point at all...
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