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Worst Case Scenario: What Does The Team Do If Cory Turns Out Like Steve Mason?


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#61 ccc44

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 05:24 PM

Steve Mason played his first season under Hitchcock ( trap hockey) . Hitchcock hockey will make any average goalie with a bit of confidence look like a all star just ask Brian Elliot.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 10:38 PM

It sure would be nice to read a positive post once every now and then. All these negative posts are getting evryone down......fire AV, MG is a moron, Luongo's value just went down, AV just destroyed any bargaing power that MG had, we will never win a Cup with Luongo, Schneider is unproven and will probably choke when he has to be the #1 guy, Kesler has a bad attitude, Kesler is useless, Kesler has worn out his welcome, the Sedin's are past their prime......cmon CDC....the newpapers are bad enough without us trashing the team too.
Think positive...we have 2 really good goalies. When one is traded MG will upgrade either at forward or defense as well as the possibility of getting another 1st rnd pick in the draft.. We have a luxury of having a good backup goalie in Lack so we don't have to sweat this one.

Kesler has had successful surgery and will be better than the last 2 seasons. He has a long offseason to heal. Kesler is a competitor and it is MG's job to find him the right wingers to make the line better.

Jensen is looking like the full meal deal so the future is bright.

Salo gets another long break to heal his body and can maybe come back for another year and stay relatively healthy

The glass is half full, lets savor it.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:14 PM

The glass is half full, lets savor it.


yes our glass is just wonderful, it's too bad it's not a cup though...

#64 Ray_Cathode

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 01:49 AM

Or Andrew Raycroft.

But ya if he does.. :blink: we would have traded the best goaile we have ever had and then the goaile we are banking on would be a bust.

I really doubt that will be the case and I also hope it wont be.


Luongo is nowhere near the player he was, and the sooner people recognize that, the better.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 02:20 AM

The word "once" in this context doesn't imply someone knows something is a reality.

e.g. "I'll have a great dinner once my wife returns with the groceries."

Once in this context denotes the speaker expects something to be so, not that the speaker thinks something is a reality set in stone. The wife could very well get stuck in traffic and I could end up with no dinner, etc.


So, the important question is this: are you doing the cooking once your wife gets home with the groceries, or is it up to her?

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 03:47 AM

Schneider only playing 6 playoff teams in the regular season and going .500 against them, and then beign under that for the playoffs is a little worrisome to me. People say he was the best thing ever, and deserves all the praise, and isn't sheltered at all.. but really, he played more playoff teams the year before last, and he still only went .500 against them.

He looks very solid and all, but like I said, it's just worrisome of his lack of games against playoff teams, and the fact he hasn't done well against them on top of it.

I mean, out of those playoff teams he had this year.. 3 of them ended very badly, specifically Nashville and Chicago whippings. He had a good game against Boston, but.. that's 3 bad games, of only 6 playoff teams, and he had more his previous year.. and still was only .500 both years.

If that follows through when he becomes starter that's honestly not going to end well.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 09:25 AM

Even more to the point, now that Lou has turned into Lou, what does the team do? We have made an enormous financial commitment to a guy who who has repeatedly shown us that he can't get us there. Now, he is not even our best goalie. If he was, this controversy would not exist.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 09:39 AM

I'd be sad for him....

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 12:10 PM

This is what I find to be ridiculous on CDC. Even if Schneider fails, the general reaction is, "oh well, too bad it didn't work out"?

It is definitely possible that Schneider may fail once given the big job. He already knows what it's like to be a Canuck goaltender and he's already had a bad game at the end of his first stretch of games.

There is no evidence that proves either or, but at this point there is no evidence that he will become like Luongo or better. If Schneider fails then I will forever include in my sig that it was a mistake to trade Luongo and that we're not winning the Cup unless we miraculously pick up a star for no cost.

....Or Mike Gillis could bite his tongue and try with tail between legs to re-sign LOU from whoever he traded him to.

Edited by fagin, 27 May 2012 - 12:11 PM.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 12:24 PM

Even more to the point, now that Lou has turned into Lou, what does the team do? We have made an enormous financial commitment to a guy who who has repeatedly shown us that he can't get us there. Now, he is not even our best goalie. If he was, this controversy would not exist.

..Yes it would ! Lou played first 2 games and the team didn't show up.Cory played 3 games, winning 1.All everyone is concerned with is save % but correct me if I'm wrong,a win is a win and a loss is a loss.They both lost 2 games the team didn't show in front of Lou but did in front of Cory.So Cory is our best goalie.No matter how you slice it they both lost 2.
Given the chance and the team showing up NO-ONE can say Lou wouldn't have won a 3rd game.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 12:46 PM

Lou gave up 7 goals in 2 playoff games, 3 of the goals were stinkers !! Lou did not shut the door and give the team a chance,. The team decided to play their best goalie in game 3,4 and 5 . Take off your rose coloured Lou glasses and try arguing with reason and not emotion.
Scneider will not turn out to be a Mason because his fundamentals and technique are better. Its what has been the reason for Schneider's success .
Lou opted to turn his back on the teachings of Rollie Melanson, teachings which improved his GAA to 2.11 in 2010-11.As a result his GAA ballooned to 2.42 this past season. Why would someone change a successful style and go to a less effective one, when the proof was there? As a result, Lou has opened the door wide open to a goalie who in Lou's words...will be a star in the league for years to come. Read it and weep Lou lovers !!

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 12:52 PM

Schneider only playing 6 playoff teams in the regular season and going .500 against them, and then beign under that for the playoffs is a little worrisome to me. People say he was the best thing ever, and deserves all the praise, and isn't sheltered at all.. but really, he played more playoff teams the year before last, and he still only went .500 against them.

He looks very solid and all, but like I said, it's just worrisome of his lack of games against playoff teams, and the fact he hasn't done well against them on top of it.

I mean, out of those playoff teams he had this year.. 3 of them ended very badly, specifically Nashville and Chicago whippings. He had a good game against Boston, but.. that's 3 bad games, of only 6 playoff teams, and he had more his previous year.. and still was only .500 both years.

If that follows through when he becomes starter that's honestly not going to end well.


I swear Lu lovers all smoke crack.
Cory this season started against Detroit, St Loius, Chicago twice, Ottawa, Phoenix twice. San Jose, Nashville, Boston,New jersey.
going 6-3-1 with the 3 losses being his 1st 3 games against playoff teams this year, His last loss in regular season to playoff team was Nov 16 and went 6-0-1 in his last 8 starts with a no decision in the nashville game on Dec 1.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 01:35 PM

Luongo is nowhere near the player he was, and the sooner people recognize that, the better.


He is still the best goaile we have ever had, the sooner people can recognize and be grateful for that the better.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 27 May 2012 - 01:35 PM.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 01:43 PM

Mason (who I never thought was all that great) was rushed into the league and had one good year on a team coached by Ken Hitchcock where he was sheltered very effectively. He also plays for the worst franchise in the league when it comes to player development. Also, this happens surprisingly often to young goalies who have calder/vezina worthy seasons. I don't want to take anything away from Mason's one great season because it was great, but his drop off was predictable and predicted.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 02:49 PM

So, the important question is this: are you doing the cooking once your wife gets home with the groceries, or is it up to her?

regards,
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And are you going to grow up IF you ever find a woman that will touch you?

It would be wrong for me to say "once" because that would imply I believed it would ever happen...

Respectfully,

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 03:00 PM

One insteresting argument against Schnieder is he has never played as a starting goalie so he may not be able to hanlde the work load. If that's true, then no goalies in the league would be a starting goalie because none of them had palyed a starting goalie before they did for the first time. :rolleyes:


You yourself say we think that he "MAY not be able to 'hanlde' the work load." Then you say that because of this, we assume there are NO goalies who have been able to 'hanlde' the work load.

Nobody here thinks he will absolutely NOT be able to 'hanlde' the work load in any alternate universe. There are people who think he MAY or MAY NOT be able to 'hanlde' the work load though, and that is justified. He is still relatively unproven.

Buddy I called this EXACT situtation on here two years ago and was flamed, so I guess I have a bit of hockey knowledge, not to mention the 4 years I played in the OHL idiot.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 03:29 PM

I would do this :frantic:

lol, but seriously don't think this is a likely scenario. That said, I do think it is a good idea to have a veteran behind schnieds for this coming year to help keep the sailing smooth. Would have to be a good vet that doesn't want more than one year (bc of Lack), but wants that shot to win a cup. Clemmenson, Theodore, Biron, etc.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 03:49 PM

That's what worries me too, oh well then we can all start trade cory threads....look at my signature even Cory's agent believes his client will be run out of town.Like others including Luongo.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 04:21 PM

That's what worries me too, oh well then we can all start trade cory threads....look at my signature even Cory's agent believes his client will be run out of town.Like others including Luongo.


The saving grace in my mind, is that Schneider is extremely calm. We haven't had a goalie with his demeanor since McLean. Emotional goalies seem to get chewed up and spit out here in Vancouver, where everyone is way to critical. I think, to really fit here, the goalie has to be kind that has ice water in his veins. Luongo got through it because he is a world class talent (even if the people here can't understand that), so he rose above a lot of it while setting records here, but he's emotional, and every goalie has bad stretches - and the unrealistic fans here started to weigh on him. He owns most records here yet gets treated like he's the worst we've seen... I think Lu and Schneider are quite equal in skill, but the emotional factor simply makes Schneider more suitable for our market.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 04:23 PM

The thing is, the fans and the mdia booing, or being extremely vocal about the weaknesses and faults of players does nothing toward helping the player perform better, or improve. Therefore, it is up to the GM to trade away terrible players and new players are developed to the role players we need, then we should shut the hell up about any negativity - because we are useless, and actually harmful, because we run players out of town. If you want to boo someone, boo the GM for not removing certain players or coaches.

What we need are more fans/media fans in this town who are either cheerleaders, or team analysts. What we need to get rid of are these negative nancies who have ZERO professional scouting experience, and usually hockey experience that doesn't even reach junior hockey, and spend their entire life badmouthing certain players or the team. If you don't like the player, then don't cheer for them - you're not forced to do anything you don't want to. But any sort of booing or badmouthing on retarded articles on the province, public blogs or elsewhere doesn't help the player or the team. The player and the team already know all those weaknesses your genius mind can think up, AND MORE. They don't need even more people and media members criticizing their job for them to improve.

Honest, Raw Analysis is NOT the same as Endless Criticism/Plain Disrespect. Learn to tell the difference - stop doing the latter.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 04:47 PM

Here's some facts. Cory has played 42 games in his last year of college which is roughly 1/2 a hockey season, where he had 29 wins, a 2.15 GAA and .925 save percentage.

He played for 3 seasons in Manitoba.

2007-08 - 36 games, 21 wins, 2.28 GAA, and .916 save %
2008-09 - 40 games, 28 wins, 2.04 GAA and .928 save %
split with 8 games in the NHL

2008-09 Canucks 8 games, 2 wins, 3.38 GAA and 0.877 save %

Back in 09-10
Moose: 60 games, 35 wins, 2.51 GAA, and .919 save %
Canucks: 2 games, no wins, 3.81 GAA and .915 save %

As a back up:
Canucks
2010-11 25 games, 16 wins, 2.23 GAA, .929 save %
2011-12 33 games, 20 wins, 1.96 GAA, .936 save %
2012 Playoffs: 3 games, 1 win, 1.31 GAA, and .960 save %

He has played a full season in the AHL as a starter, as has Eddie Lack. From what I understand, that's playing a year as a pro.
He's gotten better and better each season. He's stood tall playing against teams that Luongo has issues playing against (Chicago, Boston).

The facts are he's ready for prime time. So is Eddie Lack. Is it a gamble? Yes. Unproven as a starter is a lot different than a raw rookie.
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Posted 27 May 2012 - 05:01 PM

Steve Mason played for Ken Hitchcock who's system notoriously has made goaltenders appear better than they really are.

Roman Cechmanek, Robert Esche, Pascal Leclaire, Marty Turco, etc.

Brian Elliot,Jaro Halak...
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