I've had budgies with longer memories..........

[TheMalamute]

Who the F*CK wants Jokinen?

[Bodee]

Apparently losing in Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Final is the equivalent to getting "molested."

[Ugli Fruit]

Garrison was the best feasible option. He is big, physical and provides good offense. Why is that such a problem?

[Bodee]

Garrison was the best feasible option. He is big, physical and provides good offense. Why is that such a problem?

[canuckelhead70]

Many people wanted Scheen because he was in some eyes the greatest to ever play the game. He is so good it should be a straight one for one with Lu. Many people stated because Schenn hits. Now we sign G52, a guy who hits and who actually knows how to play on the PP. But that's not good enough for you. We had grit last year it just so happened they were hurt early in the season.

I'm not a fan of Kas yet, hopefully he will turn me around but could there not be grit there?

If this team does nothing but disappoint you year after year and you have so much trouble sleeping at night, do you think it might be time to root for another team that can bing you a tiny bit of piece into your life? It might just be time for you to reitre from watching hockey.

[We Broke The Cup]

#86 Bodee

Posted 27 June 2012 - 11:42 AM

Doan doesn't fit with Gillis or MY plans.............Unless his name is Perry, Kane, Backes, Clowe or Stewart, I am not interested. I agree with post above Doan is a liability ............and he is too old for my liking.

I could be persuaded to consider some alternatives to above...........but Doan is not one of them.

There are others like Doan who could no doubt be substituted.

[LivingLikeLarry]

OP just give up while you still have some dignity.

Sheesh.

[Vancanwincup]

Honestly, how many ass kickings do we have to take until we start building for a Stanley Cup?

Personally I was gutted when we didn't learn lessons after we were "molested" out of the finals.

Then I thought we would "man up" before the playoffs. We did but it turned out young Kassian was still in diapers.

We were shown the door by LA and I sat in awe as this team who finished 8th pummelled us into submission.................Ah well I thought MG will have seen this and big things will happen and steps will be taken to toughen up for next season.

But NO.

First we show interest in a College guy a strong wind would blow over.

Then we sign a top four D who has as much push back, it would seem (unless I am missing something) as Mason Raymond on a bad day.

Now idiots on here foam at the mouth about Jokinen and Versteeg

WTF!

Do we really want to win the Stanley Cup? I am seriously beginning to doubt it.

The grit / push back that makes the difference as far as I can see is NOT in the 3rd and 4th lines it's where the real battles take place...........the 1st and 2nd lines in both offence AND defence.

When is this team going to get back to basic principles. The D is for first and foremost keeping goals out of our net and ensuring our goalie is NOT molested.

The offence is for getting goals 5 on 5 and in particularly from the forward trio. We have lived for too long on the PP at this Club and it's high time we started taking names and kicking asses.

We are already known as pushovers and divers, is this an attempt to enhance our PP figures? If so we need to get our priorities right.

MG, I'm not impressed with your FIRST BIG MOVE. Unlike many on here I have a very good memory.

[nucklehead2]

Honestly, how many ass kickings do we have to take until we start building for a Stanley Cup?

Personally I was gutted when we didn't learn lessons after we were "molested" out of the finals.

Then I thought we would "man up" before the playoffs. We did but it turned out young Kassian was still in diapers.

We were shown the door by LA and I sat in awe as this team who finished 8th pummelled us into submission.................Ah well I thought MG will have seen this and big things will happen and steps will be taken to toughen up for next season.

But NO.

First we show interest in a College guy a strong wind would blow over.

Then we sign a top four D who has as much push back, it would seem (unless I am missing something) as Mason Raymond on a bad day.

Now idiots on here foam at the mouth about Jokinen and Versteeg

WTF!

Do we really want to win the Stanley Cup? I am seriously beginning to doubt it.

The grit / push back that makes the difference as far as I can see is NOT in the 3rd and 4th lines it's where the real battles take place...........the 1st and 2nd lines in both offence AND defence.

When is this team going to get back to basic principles. The D is for first and foremost keeping goals out of our net and ensuring our goalie is NOT molested.

The offence is for getting goals 5 on 5 and in particularly from the forward trio. We have lived for too long on the PP at this Club and it's high time we started taking names and kicking asses.

We are already known as pushovers and divers, is this an attempt to enhance our PP figures? If so we need to get our priorities right.

MG, I'm not impressed with your FIRST BIG MOVE. Unlike many on here I have a very good memory.

[nucklehead2]

lol

[dura_mater]

WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE PUSHBACK!

[skyfall]

Bodee, you rock! This is the best no BS thread I've seen about the Canucks and championship swagger in a long time!

I really think the coaching like rectify 90% of these problems. I've seen teams of all shapes and sizes use heart but more importantly play within themselves to the max to compete. I don't think I've seen much of that from the Canucks over the last 5 years.

For some effed up reason so many ppl want to defend the fact that AV is not hands on in coaching and make excuse after excuse about him. My biggest problem is how the team loses. Only the heavy underdog Florida panthers in '96 lost 8-1 in a finals. Before that no team ever got embarrassed that bad. Blown out 4 times in the finals and 2 times before that in the hawks series.

Remember against the hawks the Canucks had a pretty much full healthy lineup, excellent depth after using salary cap loopholes and the type of guys we pine for now (ehrhoff, Torres, Samuelsson, etc.) against a depleted hawks team with a few injuries and fatigue from a previous salary cup run and a 20 game regular season fight for the playoffs. They showed more heart in every game from game 1-7 than the Canucks shown in the whole Stanley cup finals. No moaning, in fact toews said they'd expose us and they backed it up. So we've seen a glimpse of an mostly healthy Canucks squad of players in their proper roles and they almost effed if up badly. After two blowouts in a row the coach said Lu was still gonna play game 6 until he mysteriously changed his mind before the game. How insane is that?! If anything the underdog hawks, who lost a lot their depth to salary cap mismanagement, showed the championship type swagger that the canucks sorely lack.

last year we go down in the first round playing the same way of takin safe, ineffective perimeter shots and hitting for the sake of hitting rather than purpose. One Dustin brown hit and breakaway goal is worth much more than 30 pop gun shots and 30 no purpose hits.

I have to wonder do people not watch past hockey champions and other sports to understand what makes a true champion? The wings were champs, mostly due to buying a team and developing but a rookie losing his spot to yzerman, datsyuk, zetterberg or lidstrom is way different than competing with kesler, burrows, bieksa, or edler.

The lakers won title after title but the key was while Kobe was great, his supporting cast knew their roles and the coach managed all egos to get the team to focus on winning rather than force talented players to be benched or traded because he made a minor mistake.

Spain stomped Italy in euro 2012 and have shown their brilliance. They had injures to strikers but never used that as an excuse. Sure they slacked off in a few games but when it count they put it together. They earned the right to be called champions, not rely on luck.

So any team considered a favourite in terms of talent that gets blown out six times in one playoff run and dragged out early series with mindless hitting and lacklustre play rather going for the jugular is just asking for injuries and luck to be on the side of their competitors. To me a championship team minimizes the need for luck and win despite setbacks or using it as motivation rather than use it as a crutch. If the Canucks got 20 excellent scoring chances but a goalie played out of his mind then I'd show more support but blowout losses and weak attempts show lack of character and immense ineptitude.

Sorry for this super long post but everything Bodee discussed is dead on and I'm sick of it. Loyalty is earned. If players don't respect themselves by gettin punched in the face 5 times without fighting back then how can I respect them? The worst part is the denial by so many ppl and ppl wondering "gee why so negative" rather than showing true championship passion and awareness.

At this point unless the coaching drastically changes I feel no point watching this team due to wasted potential. Not making real time adjustments and maximizing talents of all players, esp uniquely talented offensive players is unacceptable. Using regular season success only as a political crutch is unacceptable. I'd rather watch a team on the rise like Edmonton who put in an honest effort and may not go all the way but feel peace of mind that they truly did their best with what they had. Any team not in denial but has a competitive swagger and a sense of pride would be refreshing. the worst part is I'm not even asking for rocket science...

Sometimes basic intuitive thigs like talking to a player after he effed up to help prevent future mistakes and build back his confidence is not happening and it boggles the mind. Unless gillis puts together a super team and the stars are aligned I dont see much hope. Oh wait... He did do that and the best advantages ever were on the Canucks side from the beginning of the 2011 playoffs and they severely squandered it! So now the coaching staff is out of excuses as far as I'm concerned and there's plenty more teams and sports worth watching. Just so frustrating the most important team in my hometown leaves so much on the table to be desired. Basic things.

[JohnLocke]

Honestly, how many ass kickings do we have to take until we start building for a Stanley Cup?

Personally I was gutted when we didn't learn lessons after we were "molested" out of the finals.

Then I thought we would "man up" before the playoffs. We did but it turned out young Kassian was still in diapers.

We were shown the door by LA and I sat in awe as this team who finished 8th pummelled us into submission.................Ah well I thought MG will have seen this and big things will happen and steps will be taken to toughen up for next season.

But NO.

First we show interest in a College guy a strong wind would blow over.

Then we sign a top four D who has as much push back, it would seem (unless I am missing something) as Mason Raymond on a bad day.

Now idiots on here foam at the mouth about Jokinen and Versteeg

WTF!

Do we really want to win the Stanley Cup? I am seriously beginning to doubt it.

The grit / push back that makes the difference as far as I can see is NOT in the 3rd and 4th lines it's where the real battles take place...........the 1st and 2nd lines in both offence AND defence.

When is this team going to get back to basic principles. The D is for first and foremost keeping goals out of our net and ensuring our goalie is NOT molested.

The offence is for getting goals 5 on 5 and in particularly from the forward trio. We have lived for too long on the PP at this Club and it's high time we started taking names and kicking asses.

We are already known as pushovers and divers, is this an attempt to enhance our PP figures? If so we need to get our priorities right.

MG, I'm not impressed with your FIRST BIG MOVE. Unlike many on here I have a very good memory.

[nucklehead2]

Bodee, you rock! This is the best no BS thread I've seen about the Canucks and championship swagger in a long time!

I really think the coaching like rectify 90% of these problems. I've seen teams of all shapes and sizes use heart but more importantly play within themselves to the max to compete. I don't think I've seen much of that from the Canucks over the last 5 years.

For some effed up reason so many ppl want to defend the fact that AV is not hands on in coaching and make excuse after excuse about him. My biggest problem is how the team loses. Only the heavy underdog Florida panthers in '96 lost 8-1 in a finals. Before that no team ever got embarrassed that bad. Blown out 4 times in the finals and 2 times before that in the hawks series.

Remember against the hawks the Canucks had a pretty much full healthy lineup, excellent depth after using salary cap loopholes and the type of guys we pine for now (ehrhoff, Torres, Samuelsson, etc.) against a depleted hawks team with a few injuries and fatigue from a previous salary cup run and a 20 game regular season fight for the playoffs. They showed more heart in every game from game 1-7 than the Canucks shown in the whole Stanley cup finals. No moaning, in fact toews said they'd expose us and they backed it up. So we've seen a glimpse of an mostly healthy Canucks squad of players in their proper roles and they almost effed if up badly. After two blowouts in a row the coach said Lu was still gonna play game 6 until he mysteriously changed his mind before the game. How insane is that?! If anything the underdog hawks, who lost a lot their depth to salary cap mismanagement, showed the championship type swagger that the canucks sorely lack.

last year we go down in the first round playing the same way of takin safe, ineffective perimeter shots and hitting for the sake of hitting rather than purpose. One Dustin brown hit and breakaway goal is worth much more than 30 pop gun shots and 30 no purpose hits.

I have to wonder do people not watch past hockey champions and other sports to understand what makes a true champion? The wings were champs, mostly due to buying a team and developing but a rookie losing his spot to yzerman, datsyuk, zetterberg or lidstrom is way different than competing with kesler, burrows, bieksa, or edler.

The lakers won title after title but the key was while Kobe was great, his supporting cast knew their roles and the coach managed all egos to get the team to focus on winning rather than force talented players to be benched or traded because he made a minor mistake.

Spain stomped Italy in euro 2012 and have shown their brilliance. They had injures to strikers but never used that as an excuse. Sure they slacked off in a few games but when it count they put it together. They earned the right to be called champions, not rely on luck.

So any team considered a favourite in terms of talent that gets blown out six times in one playoff run and dragged out early series with mindless hitting and lacklustre play rather going for the jugular is just asking for injuries and luck to be on the side of their competitors. To me a championship team minimizes the need for luck and win despite setbacks or using it as motivation rather than use it as a crutch. If the Canucks got 20 excellent scoring chances but a goalie played out of his mind then I'd show more support but blowout losses and weak attempts show lack of character and immense ineptitude.

Sorry for this super long post but everything Bodee discussed is dead on and I'm sick of it. Loyalty is earned. If players don't respect themselves by gettin punched in the face 5 times without fighting back then how can I respect them? The worst part is the denial by so many ppl and ppl wondering "gee why so negative" rather than showing true championship passion and awareness.

[erkayloomeh]

OP has some good points. We got bullied by Boston and to a lesser degree LA. IMO the garrrison signing was a good one but i was disappointed that some of the tougher /good players got picked up. Prust, tootoo, carkner could have played on our bottom six. Im not going to hold my breath for Doan. If he doesnt sign back with phoenix then there will be 20 other teams after him.

Im not sure who is left as a ufa so if we want a gritty player or two they would have to come by trade which means giving up assets.

I agree with OP that this is an issue

[oldnews]

"Then we sign a top four D who has as much push back, it would seem (unless I am missing something) as Mason Raymond on a bad day."

Surprised to hear you talking smack about Raymond Bodes.

Anyway - I think you may have missed something on this one - Garrison is not a pillow - actually a pretty solid, big blueliner (with more push back than Salo as much as Iove Sami) and a damn good fit for our top four - if you want the Canucks to get bigger and meaner, the fourth line is an easier place to do that. Aside from that, our first round pick (Gaunce was a good start) and I imagine the Luongo trade will bring another pair of big young prospects (Bjugstad and Petrovic please).

We may still be making a run at Doan with the remaining cap space.

And I'd like to see us get a tough depth forward - but I'd rather see us make a trade to do that - Ottawa is not shy and has made it clear they are reshaping their lineup - my choice would be to to out and give it up for Neil - I want those 10-15 goals and 250-300 hits in our lineup, and bad.

[lmm]

All you've really stated is opinion. Here are the facts

Hits

Game 1 Nucks 26 Kings 28 L 2-4

Game 2 Nucks 45 Kings 32 L 2-4

Game 3 Nucks 31 Kings 31 L 0-1

Game 4 Nucks 26 Kings 50 W 3-1

Game 5 Nucks 30 Kings 39 L 2-1

Total 158 180

Your OPINION is that the Canucks lost because they were out hit. My FACTS show the difference in hits over the 5 games 22 (or 4 per game) is neglible. Therefore, your opinion is weak at best. Interestingly, the Canucks won when they were outhit by the largest margin so I could argue they play better when out hit.

[Bodee]

#86 Bodee

Posted 27 June 2012 - 11:42 AM

Doan doesn't fit with Gillis or MY plans.............Unless his name is Perry, Kane, Backes, Clowe or Stewart, I am not interested. I agree with post above Doan is a liability ............and he is too old for my liking.

I could be persuaded to consider some alternatives to above...........but Doan is not one of them.

Does this mean you changed your mind about Doan?

[Bodee]

The Canucks lead the league in pushback. 3 of our defenseman were top 10 in the league. Sedins were #2 and 3 respectively and even Raymond cracked the top 50 in average pushback per game (APPG). I don't know what you're on about, this team oozes pushback.

[Bodee]

"Then we sign a top four D who has as much push back, it would seem (unless I am missing something) as Mason Raymond on a bad day."

Surprised to hear you talking smack about Raymond Bodes.

Anyway - I think you may have missed something on this one - Garrison is not a pillow - actually a pretty solid, big blueliner (with more push back than Salo as much as Iove Sami) and a damn good fit for our top four - if you want the Canucks to get bigger and meaner, the fourth line is an easier place to do that. Aside from that, our first round pick (Gaunce was a good start) and I imagine the Luongo trade will bring another pair of big young prospects (Bjugstad and Petrovic please).

We may still be making a run at Doan with the remaining cap space.

And I'd like to see us get a tough depth forward - but I'd rather see us make a trade to do that - Ottawa is not shy and has made it clear they are reshaping their lineup - my choice would be to to out and give it up for Neil - I want those 10-15 goals and 250-300 hits in our lineup, and bad.