ABurrows14 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Sounds like your impatience is talking ;p History will show Luongo is durable and consistent. I can't promise he won't be a distraction but I can say I'd be very surprised they can't operate in the same fashion as they have been for the past 2 years. If the new CBA has an amnesty option that'd be a huge plus to his value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks_dynasty Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Winning goalies 2012 Quick - just becoming elite (wasn't considered elite at the start of the season). 2011 Thomas - hot just for that year 2010 Niemi - defintion of average 2009 Fleury - elite but is currently struggling (aka Luongo style) 2008 Osgood - solid goalie throughout his career 2007 Giguire - hot then not now 2006 Ward - elite but is currently struggling Aside from Quick in which somehow the dead puck era started creeping back...goalies post lock out ranged from average to a few elite. What do all of them have when they won?? Depth and a game-breaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Besides, a 41/41 split will only "prove further" Schneider's worth around the league and for Luongo, it could save his career with rest kind of like some players taking a year off. With patience, Schneider brings in instant in your face secondary scoring at the trade deadline and Luongo shuts the door. He wins a Cup and all this ends. Let's not make Kypreos a prophesizing saint in "Luongo will never win a Cup". He sure won't with Florida or the Leafs. He just might with the Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks_dynasty Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I'm not a Luongo lover by any stretch of the imagination. I didn't even like it when he got signed to the albatross contract. I even commented that he dives around too much. But Luongo was not the sole reason we lost in the last 3 years. Against Chicago...that team had depth all around at forwards and defencemen. Norris candidate in Keith. Against Boston...where was the scoring and PP that dominated the regular season? And Boston had Chara. Against LA...again...where was the scoring?? And LA had Doughty. I do agree that either Schneider or Luongo should be traded before the start of the season. I just want the better return as I think Vancouver could win with both goalies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Keep Luongo if no one is willing to give value in return. Let the media blow this out of proportion like everything else, we're used to it. Play Luongo and Schnieder evenly until a suitor ups the anti, or a new team emerges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 You kinda made my point. Since Lou can still play at a high level...Nucks could possibly get better players for a cup run if they traded Schneider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 As I stated, Luongo can still play but his technical ability is really flawed. It is why he lacks consistancy game to game. Schneider is more consistant because his technique, positional play, ability to move around the crease, rebound control....you name it are all better than Lou's. All of these factors contribute to better stats , playing for the same team. Until posters can recognize the technical aspects of goaltending, they have a hard argument for Lou over Cory.Its easy to watch tv or live games and see the results. Hind sight is 20/20 but this position is about cause and effect, a fact that escapes most viewers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Keep Luongo if no one is willing to give value in return. Let the media blow this out of proportion like everything else, we're used to it. Play Luongo and Schnieder evenly until a suitor ups the anti, or a new team emerges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 As I stated, Luongo can still play but his technical ability is really flawed. It is why he lacks consistancy game to game. Schneider is more consistant because his technique, positional play, ability to move around the crease, rebound control....you name it are all better than Lou's. All of these factors contribute to better stats , playing for the same team. Until posters can recognize the technical aspects of goaltending, they have a hard argument for Lou over Cory.Its easy to watch tv or live games and see the results. Hind sight is 20/20 but this position is about cause and effect, a fact that escapes most viewers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Neither one of the goalies will like to split the games. Speaking of Luongo's value, that differs for every GM in the league I'm sure. It seems like certain fans and possibly Gillis are over-valuing Luongo which is why he has not been moved. Take a reasonable/modest return and get the guy out of town so we can carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get real canuck fans Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Tough to have confidence in Lu when in 2008-09 against the Hawks he had 2 games allowing 5 or more in a 6 games series loss, in 2009-10 he allowed 5 or more in 3 of the 6 games,,in 2010-11 he allowed 5 or more twice in 6 starts vs the Hawks and would have had 3 games with 5 or more against the Bruins in 7 games(pulled him once after allowing 4 in just over 2 periods) Lu is just way to inconsistent to expect him to go through the playoffs without having at least 1 series where he allows 5 or more at least twice in a series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningWild Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Not sure if posted, a little tweet from the Botch: Jason Botchford @botchford @ChiefsHockey97 what we always do, talk about Lu (new teams are in the mix) and wait on shane doan to sign the Canucks 4 yr, sub-$20m offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Thomas and Rask were able to make it work. It doesn't matter if they don't like it, they just have to go do their job when called on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JensenFan2011 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Not sure if posted, a little tweet from the Botch: Jason Botchford @botchford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Not sure if posted, a little tweet from the Botch: Jason Botchford @botchford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 I read this such that Washington is finally getting serious because they aren't ready to go all out with Holtby/Neuvirth. I know many of you have talked yourself down with regards to Lou's trade value because no deal has happened yet but I am still in the camp that everyone will be mightily satisfied with the actual return. It wouldn't shock me if the deal was something akin to Johansson, Alzner, Ward for Luongo, Raymond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHL Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 That would be awesome but I dont think Washington would give up that much for our castaways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc44 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 So...let me get it right...trade off the goalie who is almost 1/2 a goal a game better than Lou? Who"s SP is better? Who gets paid a lot less? Who is younger? And technically miles better? Who has handled everything the Canucks have thrown at him? Did no one ever tell you that you build a team from the goal out? Although Lou can still play at a high level, he can't carry Schneiders hockey bag at this point in time ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningWild Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 I read this such that Washington is finally getting serious because they aren't ready to go all out with Holtby/Neuvirth. I know many of you have talked yourself down with regards to Lou's trade value because no deal has happened yet but I am still in the camp that everyone will be mightily satisfied with the actual return. It wouldn't shock me if the deal was something akin to Johansson, Alzner, Ward for Luongo, Raymond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 I read this such that Washington is finally getting serious because they aren't ready to go all out with Holtby/Neuvirth. I know many of you have talked yourself down with regards to Lou's trade value because no deal has happened yet but I am still in the camp that everyone will be mightily satisfied with the actual return. It wouldn't shock me if the deal was something akin to Johansson, Alzner, Ward for Luongo, Raymond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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