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Posted 22 July 2012 - 10:11 PM

I would have her tied up and locked in a room before I would let her out to strip in front of a bunch of pigs, but that is only if it was my daughter.

16 would be crazy, I would feel someone closer to the age of 21 is more appropriate and able to make a decision like that.


Yep, kind of what I was leaning towards. My point was that I don't see a 16 year old being that much more ready to make that decision than an 18 year old. They're both still kids in my eyes. Of course there's exceptions, but for the most part 18 year olds, both guys and girls are immature.

And that's not a bad thing, it just means they haven't had a chance to go out experience the world. Which is why 21 would be a much more appropriate age IMO. Let them grow up for a few years after highschool, and then if stripping is still the only thing they think they can do, then so be it.

Unfortunately guys are perverts, and they wanna see young girls, so that's why the money and the demand is there. And there will always be people that wanna make alot of money quickly no matter what.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 10:44 PM

So, your ability to suggest that women as a whole act and "are way more out of control in their[male strippers] presence then the men are in the presence of women strippers", is because you asked a woman??

How would that woman know how all guys as a whole act at strip clubs? Why would you believe her? Why would you think she was enough of an authority on the subject of how men and women react comparatively to their reactions to opposite gender strippers, in order to make a factual assertion in the manner in which you did?

From where I sit, it seems like your woman friend was passing judgment on women. And it seems you were continuing that judgement based on hearsay, without any actual evidence for that assertion/claim yourself.....which makes your accusation of ' judgement passing' towards BB more than slightly hypocritical.

That's why.


Nice response, felt like I was on the witness stand. Sorry for not being more clear. My ability to suggest that is based on having spoken to not just one women but more than a dozen. A large enough sample size for me to develop an opinion I am comfortable with. If that isn't a large enough sample size to satisfy you then I am sorry.

How would these women know how the guys react at strip clubs? Believe it or not some women (not just some but rather a decent percentage of the audience) do go to see female strippers as well as male. So their opinion is an informed one. Why would I believe them? Because I know them personally and know them not be be liars. Especially about something as trivial as this.

So from where you sit, you are incorrect in your assumption that my 'friend' was passing judgment on women. There was no hearsay. This was told to me directly by multiple people. No hypocrisy on my part.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 11:18 PM

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 11:20 PM

Nice response, felt like I was on the witness stand. Sorry for not being more clear. My ability to suggest that is based on having spoken to not just one women but more than a dozen. A large enough sample size for me to develop an opinion I am comfortable with. If that isn't a large enough sample size to satisfy you then I am sorry.

How would these women know how the guys react at strip clubs? Believe it or not some women (not just some but rather a decent percentage of the audience) do go to see female strippers as well as male. So their opinion is an informed one. Why would I believe them? Because I know them personally and know them not be be liars. Especially about something as trivial as this.

So from where you sit, you are incorrect in your assumption that my 'friend' was passing judgment on women. There was no hearsay. This was told to me directly by multiple people. No hypocrisy on my part.


So a dozen women is a large enough sample size to you? It's obvious you've never taken a Statistics course. Sorry, but 12 women out of the tens or hundreds of thousands or even millions of women that have at one time visited a male strip club, is not a large enough of a sample to make an accurate generalization of how the rest of the population of women behave, let alone how men behave.

And how does personally knowing these 12 women, make them an authority on the subject of the differences between men and women's comparative behavour at strips clubs, to the point where you can make claims from their recollections of the one or handful of times they've been to those places??

Define "decent percentage". Again, how do you know this? Do you count all the men and women at a strip club everyday and all establishments everywhere?

And you may want to freshen up on your understanding of the definition of 'hearsay'.

And denying hypocrisy, doesn't magically make it so.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 11:52 PM

Nice to know the Canadian Government is hard at work making sure Canadian women are dancing at our strip clubs and not foreign workers!

Not like working with education, and industry to build up long term, high paying jobs in say engineering, science, medicine, and building eco-friendly products is needed at all. Or say research into renewable energy, and emergent technologies to create a stronger, healthier economy.

Such great priorities government has.


What a double-faced argument. Next, you'll be arguing about how Canadians aren't getting jobs because the government is issuing visas to foreigners to allow them to take away Canadian jobs.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 01:33 AM

the amazing thing about this topic.. some of you are saying how they are too young to make a rational decision about how to make money, yet I'd like to see how many of you LOVE to see the Canucks draft an 18 year old that makes the jump to the NHL right away.

oh, but that's different. That's "honest" work, right? Yet everyone would complain if the players went on strike for more money because "it's a game." Or maybe it's different because hockey players "aren't just a piece of meat"... unless we are talking about players like Boogaard or John Scott who are only good to sell tickets and fight.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 02:12 AM

I cannot imagine that a high school principal would allow a strip club to man a booth at an in-school job fair. Good luck with that.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 02:16 AM

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 03:46 AM

I can proudly say I've never been to a strip club in my life. Waste of time and money, and I would just feel dirty after really.

And I'm also proud to say I payed for my school all on my own without having to take my clothes off. What's their excuse?

Most likely that they want to make lots of money with out having to work hard for it. Sorry, but I don't respect people like that. I don't agree with calling them skanks, but if they were really intelligent they wouldn't need to degrade themselves for cash. They would find a talent or skill that doesn't involve taking their clothes off to help pay for school.


What's not smart about cashing in on your assets, while you still have it?

It's about working smarter, not harder.

I'm talking about men, but there are obviously women in that position too that don't wanna strip, or aren't "qualified" to. Somehow they make it work. But then they're also willing to work hard.

You said you have friends who are strippers so you obviously know how much money they make in a night. And they're basically making it in probably the easiest possible way. Sorry, but to me that cheapens any sort of reason they're doing it for.

They're basically selling their bodies to men. Not for sex, but to have them ogle them, and in alot of cases degrade them. Sure it's not prostitution, but it's not far off. And I don't respect that, bottom line. Just my feeling towards it.


Ah, so that's the real reason for the stance you're taking--the parents' feelings. As if I didn't suspect that already.

Sorry, dude, but people's freedoms and liberties trump the feelings of parents anyday. Besides, I bet you wouldn't have much problem if your son was stripping in front of women and getting paid for it.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 03:48 AM

Hell no. The only people who deserve not to be ridiculed are the ones actually working hard doing any honest job. Not the ones who strip because it's easy money.


Is there something fundamentally dishonest about stripping?

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 03:54 AM

Yep, kind of what I was leaning towards. My point was that I don't see a 16 year old being that much more ready to make that decision than an 18 year old. They're both still kids in my eyes. Of course there's exceptions, but for the most part 18 year olds, both guys and girls are immature.

And that's not a bad thing, it just means they haven't had a chance to go out experience the world. Which is why 21 would be a much more appropriate age IMO. Let them grow up for a few years after highschool, and then if stripping is still the only thing they think they can do, then so be it.


We let "kids" drink or smoke when they're 18 or 19. We even let them join the forces, fight in wars and get killed. Are you okay with that?

Do you think 18-year-old boys need to be protected from themselves and every bad decision they make, or are you content letting them make their mistakes and learn from them?

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 03:55 AM

I think they are pushing the limit going to high schools; college is fine but highschools should be off limit. Why don't they just hang out at churches while they're at it!


Means nothing to me.

Next thing, you'll be telling me that there are no child molesters in a church. :P

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 08:02 AM

Gotta love journalists

This is a story about visas being taken away from foreigners but that isn't what the headline reads :rolleyes:
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 08:49 AM

The job of any father should be to keep their daughter off the pole.

I have never, nor will never go to a strip club. And the argument that "It's a way for women to pay to get through school, etc, etc, etc." What about the countless students that manage to pay their way through school without resorting to degrading themselves? I'm sure I could have paid my way through university by dealing drugs, but I didn't. Student loans like everyone else.

And it is a bullocks way to get through med school. Many FIs provide loans to students to get through med school.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 09:04 AM

I would have her tied up and locked in a room before I would let her out to strip in front of a bunch of pigs, but that is only if it was my daughter.

16 would be crazy, I would feel someone closer to the age of 21 is more appropriate and able to make a decision like that.


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Posted 23 July 2012 - 09:27 AM

Nice.

I went to a strip club once and an Asian gentleman flipped out and threw an ash tray at one of the strippers heads haha.

Though morally I believe girls should have a few years to adjust to society before making that decision since that age does not allow most young adults to accurately depict reality from high school life. But being a stripper isn't as career staining as being a pornstar though so it's not so bad.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 11:19 AM

The job of any father should be to keep their daughter off the pole.

I have never, nor will never go to a strip club. And the argument that "It's a way for women to pay to get through school, etc, etc, etc." What about the countless students that manage to pay their way through school without resorting to degrading themselves? I'm sure I could have paid my way through university by dealing drugs, but I didn't. Student loans like everyone else.


There's no comparison. Stripping is not illegal and does not hurt other people.

I guess it's not possible to have a daughter and be a libertarian at the same time.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 11:29 AM

"How old is 15 really?"

definitely for a more mature audience...

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 11:53 AM

I would raise the age to 21 but women and men have been making money this way for 1000s of years.

I dont see anything wrong with this really. Even if it was my daughter , as long as she was 21. It wouldnt be my first choice for her but it could be a hell of a lot worse.

I understand the passionate debate this kind of issue causes and respect peoples opinion in this matter.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 01:26 PM

We let "kids" drink or smoke when they're 18 or 19. We even let them join the forces, fight in wars and get killed. Are you okay with that?

Do you think 18-year-old boys need to be protected from themselves and every bad decision they make, or are you content letting them make their mistakes and learn from them?


So it makes sense to you that someone that can be younger than the legal age to get into a strip club, can work there?

Well I don't think anyone should fight in wars, so to me the age is irrelevant. Send a 12 year old or a 50 year old over to another country to kill someone, and it's still wrong.

As far as drinking or smoking, kids can do that at much younger ages than 18 or 19, and there's really no way to monitor it. There is a way to protect girls from exposing themselves to situations like this though. There's legal ages for things for a reason. Not everything is left up for a young kid to decide, there's rules in place aimed at protecting these kids because alot of them don't know better.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 02:21 PM

There's no comparison. Stripping is not illegal and does not hurt other people.

I guess it's not possible to have a daughter and be a libertarian at the same time.

True true. I have to admit, that was a bad comparison. However, it doesn't change the way I personally feel about it. I wouldn't want my wife doing something like this, despite the fact that she would make a hell of a lot more money than teaching. And if my daughter were to resort to this, I would certainly feel like a failure as a parent.I know not every woman that does this feels badly about it afterwards, but a years ago I had taken a HR Legislation course for the fun of it. My professor, who was in her early 30s, had stripped to pay her way through university. And although she made a lot of money at it, she said she is still ashamed that, as a lady, she had resorted to what she now believes in hindsight as the worst decision she has made.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 02:34 PM

So it makes sense to you that someone that can be younger than the legal age to get into a strip club, can work there?


So let's make it 19, unless it's at a juice bar.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 02:34 PM

True true. I have to admit, that was a bad comparison. However, it doesn't change the way I personally feel about it. I wouldn't want my wife doing something like this, despite the fact that she would make a hell of a lot more money than teaching. And if my daughter were to resort to this, I would certainly feel like a failure as a parent.I know not every woman that does this feels badly about it afterwards, but a years ago I had taken a HR Legislation course for the fun of it. My professor, who was in her early 30s, had stripped to pay her way through university. And although she made a lot of money at it, she said she is still ashamed that, as a lady, she had resorted to what she now believes in hindsight as the worst decision she has made.


Im not too sure if this has anything to do with it.

I believe the shame associated with showing your naked body is taught. Its not natural.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 03:01 PM

Is there something fundamentally dishonest about stripping?


It's a step down from selling your body to a stranger as a prostitute. But you are still selling your body by letting people oogle you even if you do not perform any sex acts.

I'm sure you know strip clubs are prime recruiting grounds for porn companies?

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 03:05 PM

It's a step down from selling your body to a stranger as a prostitute.


Or selling your body to your boss or company superior for a promotion or other benefits.

At least the stripper and prostitute don't pretend they're doing anything else.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 03:11 PM

It's a step down from selling your body to a stranger as a prostitute. But you are still selling your body by letting people oogle you even if you do not perform any sex acts.


By the way, the same could be said about models in general.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 03:15 PM

Or selling your body to your boss or company superior for a promotion or other benefits.

At least the stripper and prostitute don't pretend they're doing anything else.


Yeah I wasn't talking about that. Prostitutes, Strippers, and Porn Stars all fall in the same category for me as people who sell their body and perform unsavory acts for fast money.

I would say all three are dishonest and not credible professions.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 03:25 PM

Yeah I wasn't talking about that. Prostitutes, Strippers, and Porn Stars all fall in the same category for me as people who sell their body and perform unsavory acts for fast money.

I would say all three are dishonest and not credible professions.


How is it 'dishonest' . Im not following the logic.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 03:26 PM

Yeah I wasn't talking about that. Prostitutes, Strippers, and Porn Stars all fall in the same category for me as people who sell their body and perform unsavory acts for fast money.

I would say all three are dishonest and not credible professions.


Actually, I would like to stress that point very much. There are probably plenty of judgemental people who have skeletons in the closet of their own on this. They look and act like anybody else in a so-called "respectable" profession, and probably live in a nice home with a family and blend in with all their neighbours. Far sleazier in my books. Yet, for some reason, we turn our backs on these things and pretend that they don't happen.

At least the stripper, porn star or outright prostitute is light years ahead of these people in terms of honesty.

Heck, some of you harshest critics probably won't condemn your own daughters too much for sleeping their way up the corporate ladder, as long as they sleep with the right people and get ahead in their careers for it. It's the price to pay for advancement in the professional world, eh?

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