Kyosama Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 lol. Listing players that broke out AFTER they signed their existing contracts does nothing to prove Kane is worth less in todays market. If you want to evaluate fair market value, you need to look at the contracts being signed in the current market. Matt Carle - 5.5M. Wideman - 5.25M Garrison - 4.6M Jagr - 4.55M Selanne - 4.5M O.Jokinen - 4.5M R.Whitney - 4.5M Hudler - 4M Kane in 2012/13 is already worth more than all of these guys, and he's 20 years old. In 3-4 years (which Winnipeg is trying to include in the deal) to insinutate he's only a 4-5M player is insulting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Canuck Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Offer sheets don't work! You get the message to Kane that we'd want him, he waits till he's a UFA give give him our best offer or work out a trade with the Jets, let them know Kane will bolt once he's a UFA so better get something now than see a scenario like Suter, Hamhuis et al... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyosama Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Offer sheets don't work! You get the message to Kane that we'd want him, he waits till he's a UFA give give him our best offer or work out a trade with the Jets, let them know Kane will bolt once he's a UFA so better get something now than see a scenario like Suter, Hamhuis et al... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksFanMike Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Jets need to get this done... Kane is that pure goal-scorer that every sucessful team needs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Canuck Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Soooo...openly tamper, is what you're saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyosama Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 It's only tampering if management contacts Kane, players are free to speak to anyone they want..... you'd be a fool if you think this dosen't happen Hamhuis comes to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvoLu7ioN Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 He's not in this market. He is an RFA. EDIT: Also there's the fact that he's not a 4-5M player now. Everybody believes he will be in 3-4 years, and I'm sure that that's how it's going to be structured. He'll be getting less than 4.8 to start, and he'll get more in 3-4 years. 4.8 is very fair and other than Crosby/Ovechkin I don't think there's been a whole lot of 20 year olds to get that sort of offer. He will be a 4-5+ million dollar man, but he has yet to show consistency at this level. The Jets are paying more than what he's worth now in the hope that he will develop into the player they expect him to be. I believe that this is a very fair deal and that at his age he should be happy to have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted August 18, 2012 Author Share Posted August 18, 2012 Kane’s side is looking for a Jeff Skinner deal (6 years, $34 million), while the Jets are looking for a Max Pacioretty deal (6 years, $27 million). http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/hockey/jets/talks-will-escalate-into-all-out-war-soon-166628966.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Kanes more of a Skinner than a Pacioretty. I'm still on team offer sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsandwiches Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 I think MG should fight for this guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucksbiggestfan Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Kane’s side is looking for a Jeff Skinner deal (6 years, $34 million), while the Jets are looking for a Max Pacioretty deal (6 years, $27 million). http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/hockey/jets/talks-will-escalate-into-all-out-war-soon-166628966.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Kanes more of a Skinner than a Pacioretty. I'm still on team offer sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Looks like Jamie Benn is in a similar situation, as reported by Mike Heika, http://starsblog.dallasnews.com/2012/08/try-to-look-at-cba-talks-as-a-single-contract-negotiation.html/ Clearly, Benn’s agent wants as much money as he can get for his client. He understands the parameters of the current CBA, he understands what similar players are making in the league, and he understands what Benn wants, which is likely as much security as he can get, as well as the option to really hit a home run should he become one of the best players in the league. That’s why Benn would love a five-year deal that would average around $6 million a season and would make him an unrestricted free agent at the age of 27. That would make his life perfect. The Stars would like to be 100 percent sure that Benn is the real deal before they enter into a long-term guaranteed contract with him, so they see players such as Claude Giroux or James Neal or Loui Eriksson sign two or three-year deals that pay handsomely (between $3-$4 million) and set them up for a long-term contract negotiation as a restricted free agent before they reach unrestricted free agency. The Stars would see that as the perfect scenario. So both sides sit and wait until the pressue of the season or the information of the next CBA helps stoke the negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Naslund Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Do you people think? The Jets have like 18 milllion in cap space. Do you really think they wouldn't match anything the Canucks would throw at him? All you would be doing is ruining your relationship with the Jets, and possibly other GMs around the league who hate offer sheets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFrame14 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 WPG is just low-balling him, a 6 year deal worth 34 million would pretty fair. He is young and has the makings of a franchise player, why not sign him for that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Versace ESQ Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 It's THESE contracts that will be the reason for a lockout. People think its the Weber, Suter, Parise... Etc deals that are bad (they are high don't get me wrong) but its the 20, 21 yr olds coming off their ELCs wanting 5-6 mill a year that are throwing the pay scales out of whack. And the same people that b!tch about not wanting a lockout are the same ones saying Winnipeg's offer is a lowball offer and that Kane should be offended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 It's THESE contracts that will be the reason for a lockout. People think its the Weber, Suter, Parise... Etc deals that are bad (they are high don't get me wrong) but its the 20, 21 yr olds coming off their ELCs wanting 5-6 mill a year that are throwing the pay scales out of whack. And the same people that b!tch about not wanting a lockout are the same ones saying Winnipeg's offer is a lowball offer and that Kane should be offended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Point is, just because Calgary is ridiculous enough to overpay the amount they did for Wideman, does not mean that everybody has to be overpaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Garrison Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Uh-huh. Look at Wideman's career, and look at Garrison's. Then ask yourself again which team's contract is more ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ridehard1212 Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 I hope we sign doan.. But would it not be wiser to send a front loaded offer sheet to Dallas/Jets for Kane/Benn of 7 years 45 million and get a young up and coming power foward/ possible superstar??? Jets/stars would be hard pressed to match if you made them pay out 20-25 million in the first 2 years? and its unlikely we pick up anyone close to these to players with are 1st rounders that we would have to give up.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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