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#1 vcr1970

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 11:29 PM

Burke and/or Nonis are responsible for the following players on the team:

Sedin
Sedin
Luongo
Schneider
Kesler



Burrows
Bieksa

So basically your top two lines, both of your goalies and a key defenseman...................I'd say MG loses this race. What do you think?
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Posted 28 July 2012 - 11:30 PM

All of them.
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Posted 28 July 2012 - 11:36 PM

Burke the sedins are the faces of this franchise
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Posted 28 July 2012 - 11:43 PM

Burke deserves 1/3 of credit, Nonis deserves 1/3 of credit, and Gillis deserves 1/3 of credit...the leftover 0.01 goes to me.

* Math correct?

Edited by A1 CANUCK, 28 July 2012 - 11:44 PM.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 11:45 PM

MIke Gillis. Stupid question. Our Franchise failed under Brian Burke, and Dave Noniis. Keep in mind Dave Nonis had the same core of players and he missed the playoffs twice.

It's funny how you guys had to mention Brian Burke. YOu guys made it sound like he magically got the Sedins, but keep in mind, the reason why we were able to draft one of them was because our team sucked garbage.

Mike gillis. Not taking any credit away from Brian Burke or DAve Nonis, but honest I think Mike Gillis, is a superior gm over all of them. Very impressive.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 12:50 AM

I don't know...Burke and Nonis acquired most of our core players but Gillis was the one who resigned them. Gillis also brought in Hamhuis - sure, he may have came here anyway but I think that fact that GIllis got the owners to spend so much money on making the franchise better (sleep doctors, renovated changing room etc.) helped bring in Hamhuis to the organization.

I also think that Gillis deserves more credit for bringing in Sundin. Okay, he may have been overpaid but after Sundin came our players (especially he core players) really developed A LOT and many had breakout seasons. Coincidence? I think not. I say that Sundin had a positive effect on our players, we can't always look at stats....
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 01:41 AM

Burke deserves 1/3 of credit, Nonis deserves 1/3 of credit, and Gillis deserves 1/3 of credit...


The math is correct now.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 01:43 AM

I think that we owe Burke a lot of respect, he's helped us a lot.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 06:37 AM

Blah blah blah it's been nearly a decade since Burke was GM. All Nonis did was keep the status quo. Gillis changed the dynamic of the team. He made the Sedins the key players. All of the behind the scenes stuff was put in by Gillis. He has had a few hiccups, but overall the team is much better because of Mike.

Look around the league and be happy for the GM, Coach, and Owners the Canucks have.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 07:16 AM

All of them.


this.... burke drafted the twins, Nonis traded for luongo (who up untill now was the backbone of our team), and Gillis added key contributors like Higgy.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 07:36 AM

I was thinking about this after I posted. A Managers job is to get the best results out of the employees and situation you're in. Burke and Nonis did not get the same type of production out of the available assets that Gillis has.

IMO Gillis maximizes his available assets.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 08:24 AM

Pat Quinn.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 09:45 AM

I give the owner the most credit.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 09:47 AM

you forgot Edler on your list that was there before MG. Everybody knows the key players on the canucks, and the face of the franchise, are almost all from the Burke/ Nonis era. The main accomplishment of MG has been in the other aspects of running a franchise and that has made the canucks the go-to franchise for all free agents, especially the BC boys. Look at the list of free agents we got under MG, to name the key ones: Garrisson, Strum, Malhotra, Hamhuis, Samuelsson, Sundin, Torres. And I would say all of them signed here at a discount to be with the top organization in the league.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:39 AM

I agree with most of your list Coastal1 but Sundin (10 Million), Garrison ($5,000,000??? or something like that) and Malhotra ($2,500,000) definitely didn't take discounts to come here.

When it comes to spending MG is a bit out there, but power to him for going after what he wants and needs.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:41 AM

I would say all of them.

Burke did draft Sedins and Kesler

Nonis scooped Luongo

But they were not the teams they are now until Gillis got here.

I give Gillis the most credit .
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:43 AM

Burke got the sedins kesler etc
Nonis got Luongo.
Gillis helped bring 2 president trophys and 1 stanley cup final

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:47 AM

^ thats what I said !
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 02:07 PM

all of them, but what about the fans?

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 05:12 PM

you forgot Edler. My vote goes to Burke and Nonis.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 05:16 PM

I was thinking about this after I posted. A Managers job is to get the best results out of the employees and situation you're in. Burke and Nonis did not get the same type of production out of the available assets that Gillis has.

IMO Gillis maximizes his available assets.


Gillis isnt the manager of a Home Depot. His job is a little more comprehensive than that.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 05:18 PM

Currently, only Hansen, Schneider, Edler, Raymond and Kesler were secured by Nonis.

None by Burke.

All the rest were UFA signee's including the Sedins, Burrows, Malhotra, Hamhuis, Bieksa and Lou or trades such as Booth, Erhoff before him...

Who do you think was responsible? Its certainly MG's team, any other conclusion is a joke!

And success? We lost in the first round! MG is also responsible for partly dismantling the team that all 3 helped guide on the way up. Letting key size for match ups loose in Torres, sending it to the minors in Bitz or gift wrapping our best prospects to other teams in trades that have yet to pan out in Hodgson and Grabner...

Burke and/or Nonis are responsible for the following players on the team:

Sedin
Sedin
Luongo
Schneider
Kesler



Burrows
Bieksa

So basically your top two lines, both of your goalies and a key defenseman...................I'd say MG loses this race. What do you think?


Edited by Canuck Surfer, 29 July 2012 - 05:18 PM.

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#23 canucklesmith

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 05:22 PM

Currently, only Hansen, Schneider, Edler, Raymond and Kesler were secured by Nonis.

None by Burke.

All the rest were UFA signee's including the Sedins, Burrows, Malhotra, Hamhuis, Bieksa and Lou or trades such as Booth, Erhoff before him...

Who do you think was responsible? Its certainly MG's team, any other conclusion is a joke!

And success? We lost in the first round! MG is also responsible for partly dismantling the team that all 3 helped guide on the way up. Letting key size for match ups loose in Torres, sending it to the minors in Bitz or gift wrapping our best prospects to other teams in trades that have yet to pan out in Hodgson and Grabner...


Did you say Grabner hasn't panned out?

Do you watch hockey?
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 05:41 PM

Wasn't this asked in a thread not too long ago?

All of them deserve some "credit". All of them desereve some "blame".

What matters at the moment is that team ownership respects the work being done by the current management. Even if we were to come to a concensus that Burke was the best GM ever, and Nonis was the guy carrying the torch lit by Burke that would light the way to the Cup, our opinions don't really count for squat... unless you're planning on changing your allegiances to another team and no longer having anything to do with the Canucks.

I suppose it comes down to, what has Burke or Nonis done for this team, lately?

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 05:50 PM

Burke/Nonis. Gillis is a no-talent bum.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 05:55 PM

Burke and/or Nonis are responsible for the following players on the team:

Sedin
Sedin
Luongo
Schneider
Kesler



Burrows
Bieksa

So basically your top two lines, both of your goalies and a key defenseman...................I'd say MG loses this race. What do you think?

You need to add Edler, Hansen, and the recently departed Salo to this list. Three pretty important players left over from the Burke/Nonis era. Salo would have been retained by Burke/Nonis, in all probability; those guys were loyal that way.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 06:07 PM

100% with burke. just because of the sedin twins.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 06:11 PM

Currently, only Hansen, Schneider, Edler, Raymond and Kesler were secured by Nonis.

None by Burke.

All the rest were UFA signee's including the Sedins, Burrows, Malhotra, Hamhuis, Bieksa and Lou or trades such as Booth, Erhoff before him...

Who do you think was responsible? Its certainly MG's team, any other conclusion is a joke!

And success? We lost in the first round! MG is also responsible for partly dismantling the team that all 3 helped guide on the way up. Letting key size for match ups loose in Torres, sending it to the minors in Bitz or gift wrapping our best prospects to other teams in trades that have yet to pan out in Hodgson and Grabner...


Might want to look at what team drafted the Sedin's pal.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 06:30 PM

Simple.

When the Canucks dominate the regular season, that's because of Burke and Nonis patiently and astutely stockpiling our core.

But when the Canucks fail in the playoffs, that's because Gillis has failed to deliver the bold moves required to get this core over the top.

That sound about right?

This topic isn't completey exhausted yet?
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 06:34 PM

Burke and Nonis deserves credit for drafting and putting together the core of this team.

Gillis deserves credit for retaining these players to reasonable contracts.
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