Oregon Canucky Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 i just got this email myself. Its sad, but its cool, it is what it is and we shouldn't have been doing things we shouldn't have been doing. Hopefully we can shake it off. Go hawks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklax Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Yea, the team can put whatever they want on thier website. I have a funny feeling there is more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripsh0w Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 http://smallatlarge.blogspot.ca/2012/11/portland-sanctions.html This explains the situation very well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonfruits Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 this is insane could you imagine the nhl doing this to a team there has to be more to it because paying for some flights to have parents watch their kids some cellphones and some training but like most people have said there probably is way more there not telling us to hinder a team like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:D Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 I'm glad the penalties are huge. It might scare some teams that were on the fence away from trying anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 this is insane could you imagine the nhl doing this to a team there has to be more to it because paying for some flights to have parents watch their kids some cellphones and some training but like most people have said there probably is way more there not telling us to hinder a team like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevlach Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Wow - every team goes through a period of a few years as a good team and a few years as a bad rebuilding team. Portland is probably going to have to go through two periods consecutively of having a poor team. Of course they can improve with trades and what not but pretty harsh penalties imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 What a joke. It's like they brough a rocket launch to a pillow fight. Massive overkill from the WHL IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin-B Posted November 30, 2012 Author Share Posted November 30, 2012 It would have to be some major tampering, or side-agreements for drafting players with other teams to have this kind of punishment from the NHL. Props to Kevin-B, you seem to have better sources than Eklund has! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyosama Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 It would have to be some major tampering, or side-agreements for drafting players with other teams to have this kind of punishment from the NHL. Props to Kevin-B, you seem to have better sources than Eklund has! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 On the bright side of all those forfeit picks: one less challenge for the Giants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin-B Posted December 4, 2012 Author Share Posted December 4, 2012 Seth Jone's article from Everett's Herald newspaper http://heraldnet.com/article/20121204/SPORTS/712049905/1003/SPORTS08#Jones-explains-why-he-didnt-%0Ajoin-Silvertips A few other articles http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Willes+Portland+Winterhawks+have+some+explaining/7636301/story.html#axzz2E7ThWcZU http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2012/11/whats-behind-portlands-punishment.html http://www.oregonlive.com/hawks/index.ssf/2012/12/with_the_winterhawks_most_desp.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon Canucky Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 While i still feel this was pretty harsh, It nice to see the dust start to settle... Turnout to games hasnt been affected and were on an 8 game winning streak so I personally think It would be best to move forward. In a few years everyone will forget about it (until were a measuring stick for the next team fined), and we can put some long term plans in place to continue to siphon from the NCAA (they made us do it!) Im proud of the kids. they play hard and theyre upstanding citizens who give a lot to our local community. I Will stand behind my team any day (just like i do for the nucks when they get bad mouthed). Now im off to see how Rattie, Wotherspoon, and Jones are holding up in the IIHF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin-B Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 While i still feel this was pretty harsh, Im proud of the kids. they play hard and theyre upstanding citizens who give a lot to our local community. I Will stand behind my team any day (just like i do for the nucks when they get bad mouthed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon Canucky Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Just an update for those who are interested: its a long read but i tried to keep it from being a wall of text (from Portland Tribune May 5th) WHL Commissioner Ron Robison refuses to explain unprecedented penalties to Winterhawks Taking in WHL commissioner Ron Robison's response Friday night to reporters' questions about the ruthless sanctions imposed on the Winterhawks early this season brought to mind the famous line of distempered tennis legend John McEnroe: "You can't be serious!" The commissioner's annual press conference prior to the opener of the WHL finals was the Portland media's first crack at Robison since he laid down by far the stiffest penalties in the league's 47-year history back in November. To his credit, I guess, Robison accepted each and every query, virtually all in reference to the sanctions. Didn't really answer hardly a one. His lips moved, but I kept hearing programmed sound bites that never took care of the multitude of mysteries that remain unanswered in the Great Scalping of the Hawks. Remember, Portland was fined $200,000, general manager/coach Mike Johnston was suspended for the rest of the season and the club was relieved of nine future draft picks -- the first five this year, the No. 1 selection in each of the next four seasons -- for player-benefit violations. Most of them were for paying for flights for family members to and from Portland. There were some illegal payments for offseason training sessions. Portland was also docked for paying for a cell phone of its team captain for three straight years. These are infractions that deserve to be penalized. I could see a $20,000 fine (which, even at that, would be four times the highest previous fine in league history), a five-game suspension for Johnston and loss of a first-round pick. Instead, the Hawks sustained as close to the death penalty as a major junior hockey club can get. Asked first about the extent of the penalties, Robison began with this: "I'm hoping we don't have to get into a lot of details. We've indicated that matter is really internal. The regulations are very clear on what the sanctions are for violations of player benefits. The violations were extensive. The sanctions were extensive as a result. In the WHL, we want to maintain a level playing field. We want to make sure all franchises have equal access to the talent pool. We want to protect our business model. All that was taken into account." There's so much to attack there. Let's begin with, what do you mean, you hope you don't have to get into details? At some point, isn't transparency the best policy? It's internal? When you levy penalties so harsh there is nothing even close in precedent in WHL history, shouldn't there be some extended explanation? What do you have to hide? The regulations are absolutely not clear. I looked through the WHL rulebook, which prohibits teams from paying for flights for family members during a team's annual "Parents Weekend." There is nothing, however, that specifically addresses any other time of year. The Hawks' contention was, "We didn't know flying in family members at other times wasn't legal." The league's contention was, "You should have known. It was understood by everyone in the league." When asked a second time about the specific rules violations, Robison answered, "The regulations are internal. The information has been made very clear. There were violations. They're written down in the regulations, absolutely. The information was provided to the club, but for internal purposes only." Wait a minute. They are written into the regulations, but kept secret from the general public? For what reason? It's like NBA Commissioner David Stern saying the Trail Blazers broke a rule for tampering with a player, and it's in the rulebook, but we're not going to let the public see it. You just have to take our word for it. Robison's stipulation is not only nonsensical, but untrue. What became clear during Robison's remarks was a contempt for what the league feels is dishonesty on the Winterhawks' part during the initial investigation. That, Robison said, led to more serious sanctions. "It was the lack of disclosure that was forthcoming from the franchise when questioned previously and a lot of other factors … including the number of violations overall," Robison said. "What was the issue initially is there was a separate agreement entered in with another player, unknown by the league, and the club did not provide full disclosure initially on that agreement." Robison's reference, evidently, is to Seth Swenson, who after being traded in January 2012 to Seattle, revealed an agreement to fly in family members by the Winterhawks. Hawks management contends they didn't know such a deal was illegal. They also believe they were totally upfront as the organization underwent the most thorough independent audit in league history. Robison conceded the Hawks disputed the WHL's interpretation of the rules. "But ultimately, the league determines what those rules are, and they were broken in our minds," he said. "That's provided internally, and everyone in the Western Hockey League is satisfied with that." I can offer one team that isn't. Asked why he ducked interview requests from Portland media after the ruling, Robison said, "We issued two separate releases on the matter. That was the fairest way to do it. We didn't feel there was any need for any further comment." I'll let you decide if Robison's reasoning has merit. The most egregious part of the WHL sanctions is that there is -- I kid you not -- no appeals process. Unless they were willing to go to court, the Hawks pretty much had to like or lump it. "In our league, we feel any issue of concern to a franchise can be raised with the Board of Governors," Robison said. "The matter was discussed at the February meeting. (Portland owner) Bill Gallacher and (president) Doug Piper have every right to bring that up again at any Board of Governors meeting." Each WHL club has a representative -- either an owner or team president -- on the Board of Governors. Any appeal of a league sanction should not go there but to an independent arbiter, who has no vested interest in any team. Robison did little Friday night to dispel the notion that the league engaged in a witch hunt of a franchise that rose from the dregs before Gallacher took over in 2008 to the top of the food chain in four short years. The investigation found infractions, but nothing major. The sanctions sure were, though. And we really don't know any more about them after Robison's little talk with the Fourth Estate than we did back in November, when the wrath of Robison rained down on our local hockey club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFastOne21 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Cant wait until Friday and that little S**t has to hand us the Ed Chynoweth cup in front of 10,947 fans who all want his head. Especially since he has more or less ruined our name and reputation and will make it hard for us to compete in a few seasons. His lack of answers to questions makes it seem personal and I hope it bites him in the rear. You going to be at the game Canucky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon Canucky Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 You going to be at the game Canucky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFastOne21 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 You know it! Section 103, about 7 rows back. Go Hawks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon Canucky Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Nice! Ill be in section 201 in the club level 4 rows down from the suites. They are right on center ice. Ill be with a whole crew of people. If EDM scores we are the group that yells "who cares!" when they announce the EDM/opposition goal if you've ever heard them. I know others from the past do it too but not to many anymore. I cant wait for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFastOne21 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I do think ive heard that! haha. Im kinda loud myself... All i could yell for game one was "Get your ass in his face!" and, "Screen that goalie!" Nothing gets past brossoit if he can see it coming... dude is leet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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