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#31 Tortorella's Rant

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 05:30 PM

On the bright side of all those forfeit picks: one less challenge for the Giants :bigblush:
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 02:14 PM

Seth Jone's article from Everett's Herald newspaper http://heraldnet.com...join-Silvertips

A few other articles
http://www.theprovin...l#axzz2E7ThWcZU

http://www.cbc.ca/sp...punishment.html

http://www.oregonliv..._most_desp.html
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 03:38 PM

While i still feel this was pretty harsh,

It nice to see the dust start to settle...

Turnout to games hasnt been affected and were on an 8 game winning streak so I personally think
It would be best to move forward. In a few years everyone will forget about it (until were a measuring stick for the next team fined), and we can put some long term plans in place to continue to siphon from the NCAA (they made us do it!)

Im proud of the kids. they play hard and theyre upstanding citizens who give a lot to our local community.
I Will stand behind my team any day (just like i do for the nucks when they get bad mouthed).

Now im off to see how Rattie, Wotherspoon, and Jones are holding up in the IIHF.

Edited by Oregon Canucky, 31 December 2012 - 03:45 PM.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:35 PM

While i still feel this was pretty harsh,


Im proud of the kids. they play hard and theyre upstanding citizens who give a lot to our local community.
I Will stand behind my team any day (just like i do for the nucks when they get bad mouthed).



As much as it pains me to say or type in this case,(Royals-Thunderbirds fan) this is spot on in my opinion. Portland has some excellent players/fans,during this ordeal my concern is it will be the players that have to deal with the wrath on the road. Portland is poised for another great season,I have no proof or evidence to back it up but I think the WHL might drop some of the penalties further down the road.
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Posted 08 May 2013 - 02:01 PM

Just an update for those who are interested:
its a long read but i tried to keep it from being a wall of text
(from Portland Tribune May 5th)

WHL Commissioner Ron Robison
refuses to explain unprecedented
penalties to Winterhawks

Taking in WHL commissioner Ron Robison's response Friday night to reporters'
questions about the ruthless sanctions imposed on the Winterhawks early this
season brought to mind the famous line of distempered tennis legend John McEnroe:

"You can't be serious!"

The commissioner's annual press conference prior to the opener of the WHL
finals was the Portland media's first crack at Robison since he laid down by
far the stiffest penalties in the league's 47-year history back in November.

To his credit, I guess, Robison accepted each and every query, virtually
all in reference to the sanctions.

Didn't really answer hardly a one.

His lips moved, but I kept hearing programmed sound bites
that never took care of the multitude of mysteries that remain
unanswered in the Great Scalping of the Hawks.

Remember, Portland was fined $200,000, general manager/coach
Mike Johnston was suspended for the rest of the season and the
club was relieved of nine future draft picks -- the first five this year,
the No. 1 selection in each of the next four seasons --
for player-benefit violations.

Most of them were for paying for flights for family members to and
from Portland. There were some illegal payments for offseason
training sessions. Portland was also docked for paying for a cell
phone of its team captain for three straight years.

These are infractions that deserve to be penalized. I could see a
$20,000 fine (which, even at that, would be four times the highest
previous fine in league history), a five-game suspension for
Johnston and loss of a first-round pick.

Instead, the Hawks sustained as close to the death penalty
as a major junior hockey club can get.

Asked first about the extent of the penalties, Robison began with this:

"I'm hoping we don't have to get into a lot of details. We've
indicated that matter is really internal. The regulations are very
clear on what the sanctions are for violations of player benefits.
The violations were extensive. The sanctions were extensive as
a result. In the WHL, we want to maintain a level playing field. We
want to make sure all franchises have equal access to the talent
pool. We want to protect our business model. All that was taken into account."

There's so much to attack there.
Let's begin with, what do you mean, you hope you don't have
to get into details? At some point, isn't transparency the best policy?

It's internal? When you levy penalties so harsh there is nothing
even close in precedent in WHL history, shouldn't there be some
extended explanation? What do you have to hide?

The regulations are absolutely not clear. I looked through the WHL
rulebook, which prohibits teams from paying for flights for family
members during a team's annual "Parents Weekend." There is nothing,
however, that specifically addresses any other time of year.

The Hawks' contention was, "We didn't know flying in family
members at other times wasn't legal." The league's contention was,
"You should have known. It was understood by everyone in the league."

When asked a second time about the specific rules violations,
Robison answered, "The regulations are internal. The information
has been made very clear. There were violations. They're written
down in the regulations, absolutely. The information was provided
to the club, but for internal purposes only."

Wait a minute. They are written into the regulations, but kept secret
from the general public? For what reason? It's like NBA Commissioner
David Stern saying the Trail Blazers broke a rule for tampering with a
player, and it's in the rulebook, but we're not going to let the public
see it. You just have to take our word for it.

Robison's stipulation is not only nonsensical, but untrue.

What became clear during Robison's remarks was a contempt for
what the league feels is dishonesty on the Winterhawks' part during
the initial investigation. That, Robison said, led to more serious sanctions.

"It was the lack of disclosure that was forthcoming from the
franchise when questioned previously and a lot of other factors …
including the number of violations overall," Robison said.
"What was the issue initially is there was a separate agreement
entered in with another player, unknown by the league, and the
club did not provide full disclosure initially on that agreement."

Robison's reference, evidently, is to Seth Swenson, who after being
traded in January 2012 to Seattle, revealed an agreement to fly in
family members by the Winterhawks. Hawks management contends
they didn't know such a deal was illegal. They also believe they
were totally upfront as the organization underwent the most thorough
independent audit in league history. Robison conceded the Hawks
disputed the WHL's interpretation of the rules.

"But ultimately, the league determines what those rules are,
and they were broken in our minds," he said. "That's provided
internally, and everyone in the Western Hockey League is satisfied with that."

I can offer one team that isn't.

Asked why he ducked interview requests from Portland media
after the ruling, Robison said, "We issued two separate releases on
the matter. That was the fairest way to do it. We didn't feel there
was any need for any further comment."

I'll let you decide if Robison's reasoning has merit.

The most egregious part of the WHL sanctions is that there is
-- I kid you not -- no appeals process. Unless they were willing
to go to court, the Hawks pretty much had to like or lump it.

"In our league, we feel any issue of concern to a franchise can
be raised with the Board of Governors," Robison said.
"The matter was discussed at the February meeting.
(Portland owner) Bill Gallacher and (president) Doug Piper have
every right to bring that up again at any Board of Governors meeting."

Each WHL club has a representative -- either an owner or
team president -- on the Board of Governors. Any appeal of a
league sanction should not go there but to an independent
arbiter, who has no vested interest in any team.

Robison did little Friday night to dispel the notion that the league
engaged in a witch hunt of a franchise that rose from the dregs
before Gallacher took over in 2008 to the top of the food
chain in four short years.

The investigation found infractions, but nothing major.
The sanctions sure were, though.

And we really don't know any more about them after Robison's
little talk with the Fourth Estate than we did back in November,
when the wrath of Robison rained down on our local hockey club.
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 06:45 AM

Cant wait until Friday and that little S**t has to hand us the Ed Chynoweth cup in front of 10,947 fans who all want his head. Especially since he has more or less ruined our name and reputation and will make it hard for us to compete in a few seasons. His lack of answers to questions makes it seem personal and I hope it bites him in the rear.

You going to be at the game Canucky?
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 08:52 AM

You going to be at the game Canucky?


You know it!
Section 103, about 7 rows back. Go Hawks!
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:43 PM

You know it!
Section 103, about 7 rows back. Go Hawks!


Nice! Ill be in section 201 in the club level 4 rows down from the suites. They are right on center ice. Ill be with a whole crew of people. If EDM scores we are the group that yells "who cares!" when they announce the EDM/opposition goal if you've ever heard them. I know others from the past do it too but not to many anymore.

I cant wait for the game.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:47 PM

Nice! Ill be in section 201 in the club level 4 rows down from the suites. They are right on center ice. Ill be with a whole crew of people. If EDM scores we are the group that yells "who cares!" when they announce the EDM/opposition goal if you've ever heard them. I know others from the past do it too but not to many anymore.

I cant wait for the game.


I do think ive heard that! haha. Im kinda loud myself... All i could yell for game one was "Get your ass in his face!"
and,
"Screen that goalie!"

Nothing gets past brossoit if he can see it coming... dude is leet.
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Posted 10 May 2013 - 05:35 AM

I do think ive heard that! haha. Im kinda loud myself... All i could yell for game one was "Get your ass in his face!"
and,
"Screen that goalie!"

Nothing gets past brossoit if he can see it coming... dude is leet.


Ya Brossoit has been Edmonton's best player this series. He has made some insane saves. Hope they keep attacking and putting a body in front of the net tonight.
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