Pouria Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Instead of having to have her "watched" her entire life and roam free just lock her up. Even that crim professor said this is the making of a serial killer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudson bay rules Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Tell that to the family of the victim killed by Magnotta. Am sure they will understand about its effectiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 She is already considered to be of risk to others, that's been determined (that the likelihood that she'll continue on this path is strong). She has no remorse and sounds to be very disconnected - there are obviously deep psychological issues here that need addressing before you move to square two, letting her wander around in public. She has tortured and killed living creatures and was found with weapons and plans for further action. If it was just a fantasy, fine....but she's put her plan into action, at least in the beginning stages. That's a red flag, not to be taken lightly. We're not saying "forever", we're saying in these initial stages. For crying out loud, she's just been recently identified with these serious issues/disorders and initial assessments are in the works...during the period of "figuring out" - yes, keep her safely out of the public and formulate a plan. Start chipping away to see if there's any hope of rehabilitation and then determine what's best. But to simply impose strict regulations on her and risk that she doesn't abide by them - that's not really doing anyone any good, including her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Are we gonna keep everyone locked up in perpetuity because we think they may offend or re-offend? We don't even keep murders incarcerated for life for the most part. How often have we heard "he was a quiet guy and a good tenant"? Who's to know who is a high risk re-offender? Torturing and killing animals is considered as one of the precursors to violence towards people so maybe we should lock up all these psychos as well now huh? She's going thru the system and her psychiatrist can have her detained anytime he/she deems it necessary. If she is thought to be a risk to herself or others she will be won't see the light of day. But since crap happens we should lock up 10's of thousands more just in case , right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudson bay rules Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 We're not saying "forever", we're saying in these initial stages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Are we gonna keep everyone locked up in perpetuity because we think they may offend or re-offend? We don't even keep murders incarcerated for life for the most part. How often have we heard "he was a quiet guy and a good tenant"? Who's to know who is a high risk re-offender? Torturing and killing animals is considered as one of the precursors to violence towards people so maybe we should lock up all these psychos as well now huh? She's going thru the system and her psychiatrist can have her detained anytime he/she deems it necessary. If she is thought to be a risk to herself or others she will be won't see the light of day. But since crap happens we should lock up 10's of thousands more just in case , right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudson bay rules Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 We know she is a high risk re-offender, she is known to be a threat to herself or others and that isn't going to change. This isn't just some delinquent who might commit more crimes if they are necessary for themselves, this is an extremely disturbed individual who has a set of extremely maladaptive psychological disorders that have all been proven extremely impossible or completely impossible to cure. Even though she may not evolve to killing people, she has already shown a history of carrying out sadistic acts towards animals, and given the opportunity, she will continue to carry out these acts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I'm surprised Crown has not opted to apply for an 810 order: s. 810.2 allows for incredibly strict conditions to be imposed on violent offenders. I guess the Crown would be worried that, in the absence of actual physical violence, Bourque would not qualify. The individuals under an 810 recognizance order pose many challenges to the courts, community correction officials, and the police involved in the application of the order (Lussier et al., 2008) Conditions of an 810 order: Standard conditions for 810 orders are set out in the Criminal Code. Other conditions often found on 810 orders include:Report to police on a scheduled basis (either in person or by telephone)Notify police 24 hours in advance of any changes in employment statusProvide police with 24 hours advance notice of any changes in residential addressNotify the police 24 hours in advance of any travel outside a designated geographical area - such information to include intended destination and intended route of travelThat the offender carry on his/her person, at all times when away from their residence, a copy of their conditions The court will allow the application where it is satisfied that there is a reasonable fear that the defendant will cause injury or damage to property. The defendant must agree to the order binding him or her to the stipulated conditions, or be subject to immediate imprisonment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 not sufficient for you then? "Bourque has already served six months in custody, so will be out in two - though her release will be highly supervised. The judge in her case imposed an extensive probation order with 46 conditions, including that she stay away from animals, keep off the internet and not keep weapons. She also can't have anything considered a restraining device. The judge said that, given the extreme concern, Bourque could be supervised the rest of her life. " and "She has already been in custody for six months, but MacLean gave her an additional two months in custody, in part so probation officials can prepare for her highly supervised release. MacLean said Bourque's mother does not want her daughter living in the family home. Once released from jail, a Vancouver police high risk offender team will escort her to her new residence. She's not allowed to have anyone in her home from 6 pm to 6 am and anyone who does visit must be made fully aware of the charges she pleaded guilty to and their circumstances. She can't associate with anyone under the age of 18 or possess computer software to access the internet. MacLean also forbade her from accessing social networking sites or possessing duct tape, hypodermic needles or knives. The probation order will be reviewed in three months after her release from custody. MacLean also banned Bourque from owning any animals for life." seems like a good start by the authorities if you ask me. Course they could always just put her in a straight jacket and lock her in a dark closet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudson bay rules Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 But in reality Bourque does pose neraly the same threat as Pickton did. She is just one step away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Love all the judgement in this thread. None of you have ever talked to her or met her. She will be evaluated by counsellors and psychiatrists. They are the experts who decide who is and is not a risk to others. I think you should all be very grateful we live in a society where the state can't lock you up and throw away the key everytime a mob of people suspects you might commit a crime. Yes the occassional nut-bar slips through, but the consequences of giving the state too much power would be much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi Babe Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Love all the judgement in this thread. None of you have ever talked to her or met her. She will be evaluated by counsellors and psychiatrists. They are the experts who decide who is and is not a risk to others. I think you should all be very grateful we live in a society where the state can't lock you up and throw away the key everytime a mob of people suspects you might commit a crime. Yes the occassional nut-bar slips through, but the consequences of giving the state too much power would be much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudson bay rules Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Tell that to the family of the child or family member who is unfortunate to be the victim of someone like her and see if they agree with you. There is an opportunity to protect innocent members of society here and to ignore it should make those making the decisions culpable when (and if) something happens. Better yet, how 'bout Kayla Bourque come and live next door to you and your children, your pets..........maybe she could even live in your basement suite........ Why should an innocent party end up being tortured and/or murdered in order to ensure people like Kayla Bourque who has clearly illustrated that she is a danger to society be allowed even the tiniest of opportunities to commit the sado-sexual torture she fantasizes about or kill homeless people. She is flawed, dangerously and psychologically so and the safety of society should trump hers any day of the week. "Might" commit a crime? The odds are extremely high that she is going to....read her psych reports. Are we going to pay someone to watch her 24/7 for the rest of her life while handcuffed to her? That is the only way they can ensure she doesn't violate the terms of her parole and it's conditions........what happens after her parole is up....who watches her then? The judge's words were that she 'could' be on life long supervision.....there is NO guarantee that she will be........and then what? It has already been said that the possibility of rehabbing someone like her are low...yet the powers that be want to turn her loose on an unsuspecting society....... Those advocating no capital punishment always use the argument that there shouldn't be capital punishment in case one innocent person is put to death. Yet some of you want to put a known, diagnosed, walking time bomb back on the street to potentially take an innocent life.......... where are those innocent person's rights in all this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi Babe Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 hyperbole nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudson bay rules Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 No, this is the grass roots of how a decision like letting the Kayla Bourques of the world loose on an unsuspecting society impacts every day people. Joe Blow down the street, your children......your grandparents....... How easy it is to sit in an office behind a desk and make these sort of decisions but I bet you neither the judge nor the psychiatrists involved want Kayla Bourque living in their basement suite or next door or on their block. Hell, even her own family is so afraid of her that they won't allow her to live in their house with them. You don't think they're qualified to determine/decide how dangerous she is after living with her? Oh please........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi Babe Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 you do realize that she will be in a monitored group home for psychiatric patients and not in your neighbours basement don't you? I guess not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 There is no guarantee that will always be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudson bay rules Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 There is no guarantee that will always be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi Babe Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 that's a pretty silly argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudson bay rules Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 And what is so silly about it? Can you guarantee she will always be in a monitored facility? Nope, you can't. Even the judge in her case or the psychiatrists writing the reports on her couldn't guarantee it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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