Baggins Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 The one fundamental reality that you're all ignoring is that if he's not any good, he will not play. Please read that slowly as it appears to be going in one ear and out the other. If he isn't any good, he will not be playing. And you're simply denying reality again if "immediate ice time" was the only consideration that Schultz's camp had in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Krog had 200 games in the NHL. He is still playing pro hockey. We have no idea how good Schultz will be but if he does turn out to be anything like Niedermayer then that is two Niedermayer's this team did not sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 IMO MG's biggest blunder is the Ballard trade. By making the Ballard trade the Canucks lost out on Grabner, Howden and didn't have any cap to sign workhorse Mitchell. Everything is hindsight though. Not being able to sign local favorite Mitchell was bad enough let alone the young prospects. Mitchell >> Ballard I also think MG should have made a bigger push for Turris. Local kid is gonna be a stud and may be the only time in his career where he could be had for reasonable value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 It's called an entry-level contract, may want to familiarize yourself with what that means. What had Cody Hodgson proven last year, when he was playing at an identical cap hit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Do you think any of those 4 guys would be getting 1.5 PPG in the AHL, today? Don't be so sure that Schultz wouldn't be able to outplay those guys for increased ice time. Nobody expected Ehrhoff to do what he did here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 He was on the 3rd pair when we were healthy, and he benefitted from the Sedins, without them he isn't a 50 point defensmen, it doesn't surprised me at all he was such a dissapointment in Buffalo last year. He should give the Sedin's a big portion of that huge contract, they earned it for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Man ,are you clueless.Must be into the egg nog with De Niro ,is my guess. I think Gillis should have been paying Ehrhoff.Ehrhoff's game complimented the Sedins and made the PP better. No other d man stepped up and did what Christian did so why not give him credit? Last year our PP sucked.Too bad Gillis did not figure out the obvious. And no,Gillis has not replaced Ehrhoff.He had a chance to with Schultz.Garrison is a shut down,defensive d man and Eddy is rumored to be on his way out.Salo is gone as Gillis would not pay him.Which leaves......nobody to fill this role. And that,is where the Smashian Cassian's and Milke Gillis' of the world are disrespectful of PP specialists.Ignorance is not going to improve the PP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Go have some more egg nog,Kassian.You have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Go have some more egg nog,Kassian.You have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 I'm not a big egg nog fan actually. And I'm glad you took the time to reply to my points, really shows your hockey knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 I'm clueless, yet you think it is because we wouldn't pay Salo, the money wasn't the issue with Salo is was Term, We weren't willing to go longer than 1 year and he got a great deal in TBL, he would have been willing to sign for around 1.5-2 Million with us he just wanted a longer deal, for someone who apperently knows enough to call other clueless I would have expected you to know that. And if Ehrhoff is so great then why didn't he have to same success in Buffalo that he did here? And yes our PP which was 4th Overall last year really sucked as apposed to the Buffalo powerplay which finished 16th. Edler and Garrison are fine replacements IMO since Garrison is willing to take less to be here and Edler is also a star at the other end and is becoming a star defensemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 He was on the 3rd pair when we were healthy, and he benefitted from the Sedins, without them he isn't a 50 point defensmen, it doesn't surprised me at all he was such a dissapointment in Buffalo last year. He should give the Sedin's a big portion of that huge contract, they earned it for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Ok,ditch the egg nog and just go with hard liquor.On the rocks.Neat. The Canucks are going to have to replace what Ehrhoff did for this team and what all highly talented ,puck moving d men do for teams.Gragnani and Garrison? No. Eddy may leave and Salo is gone. Bieksa,Tanev and Hamhuis have little PP skills. That leaves Ballard,whom I believe is partially capable of filling this role but in a 2nd PP pairing role. This team is a skill divide away from Salo,Eddy and Christian on the ice with the Sedins and the PP stats showed it. http://canucks.nhl.c...0112012&srt=ppg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 I'm glad you made good points right away so we can have a discussion. 1) He struggled with injuries throughout the year. If he played a full season, based on points-per-game, he would have finished with 41 points. 2) It took time for him to adjust to the Sabres' system. Many free agents struggle out of the gate with their new teams. 3) The Sabres were arguably the most injured team last year. Only Pominville played a full 82 games on Buffalo. That affected the chemistry on the team quite severely. If Ehrhoff plays like crap next year, then you got a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Say he was on our team last season, do you think the PP would have been alot better? Perhaps a bit at times, but overall I don't think so, I think Edler took over his role just fine, and in the process emerged as a much better player (A point I made above) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Finally,somebody with more than just a clue shows up. Thanks to TheEhrhoffEffect. Puck moving ability,an accurate,hard shot and the ability to effectively read your top scorer's abilities/game to the extent you compliment them with success. That is what Ehrhoff provided.Add to that he was an excellent skater. No effective PP,no win.That is where you begin your failure, Kassian.This team's PP sucked without Ehrhoff,already.The Sedins sucked. "I don't think losing Ehrhoff is a huge lose for them aside from maybe finishing on a play here or there.." Kassian You don't get it and neither did Gillis and we are where we are because of the brain dead air lock. Where is Gragnani these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehamburglar Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Kevin Connauton - 2 goals, 8 points, and a -10 rating in 23 games. This is your future PP QB?Anton Rodin - 1 goal in 18 games played? Coming in at a weight of approximately 137 pounds?Alexandre Mallet - 0 points in 13 games played? This is your overage/ready-to-contribute 2nd round pick?Yann Sauve - 1 point in 12 games played. Another 2nd round pick. Even Kassian & Schroeder, both have been benched, and neither have asserted themselves as leaders for the team. 14 points in 23 games for Jordan Schroeder, who's 5'3"? Let me ask you - who are we "underestimating"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eretz canucks Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Gillis' scotuing and drafting is a good when it is good hodgson Jensen Cannuaton Corrado all promising, no home runs yet:( Bad when its bad Mallet - 2nd - WTF Rodin - said he would take this guy in the first- which would have been a disaster Sauve-2nd - WTF Honzik-yikes!!!! Schroeder...Johansson would have been nice- at risk of another disaster. Maybes: Cannauton Canata Price McNally Polasek Andersson Gaunce- I would have liked Samuelsson he is good in late rounds, not so great in we still need time to judge, but if we still had hodgson, we'd all feel better about it. dragting and developing is hard and Gillis is not succeeding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baercheese Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 And people rag on the Flames drafting How has Gillis' picks turned out since he took over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 And people rag on the Flames drafting How has Gillis' picks turned out since he took over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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