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#61 WHL rocks

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:07 PM

Didn't 6 or more owners sit down with 12 or so NHL players in a barganing session a couple weeks ago in an attempt to move the talks along? Im sure all the owners were updated as to what went on in those meetings. If I were an owner of an NHL franchise, I would be demanding to know exactly what is going on, regardless if I'm apart of your ol boys club or not.


During the time 6 owners sat down with players the NHL Board of Governors had a meeting. They were all updated on the CBA talks and also briefed by NHL lawyers about what would happen if the PA Union disbanded etc and possible court proceedings. To put forward the notion that an owner doesn't know whats going on with the CBA negotiations is complete and utter nonsense. It's just a dumb claim to make.

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 12:13 PM

Didn't 6 or more owners sit down with 12 or so NHL players in a barganing session a couple weeks ago in an attempt to move the talks along? Im sure all the owners were updated as to what went on in those meetings. If I were an owner of an NHL franchise, I would be demanding to know exactly what is going on, regardless if I'm apart of your ol boys club or not.


Yes, but only 4 of those owners were new to the negotiations. The other 2 have been part of the negotiating committee the entire time, including their Chairman of the Board of Governors. The owners, still led by their Chairman of the Board of Governors, were happy to meet with the players without their legal union rep but aborted the process when the players said they wanted to bring him back in to finalize a deal.

And, at least one player went on record saying those 4 new ones weren't completely apprised of what had been going on. (Source: http://sports.yahoo....45595--nhl.html)

I read a tweet somewhere that a reporter said an owner had told him he signed up for twitter feeds just to stay informed, but it's Christmas and I don't have time to find it. So, take my word/memory for whatever it's worth.


I never said you did either. You called the posters on TSN ignorant after someone on CDC brought up the fact most comments were pro owner. Talk about missing a lot..


Yes, my comments about TSN commenters were made in response to someone else bringing up commenters on TSN, but what they said about them is not what I said. I was very specific in what I was complaining about.

You did not specifically say "behaving like idiots".

You specifically said "only an idiot takes unnecessary risks and that is what they are doing".

It's clear as day, you think owners are idiots for taking risk of lockout.


Exactly. I clearly said they were idiots for their actions in this lockout. Thank you for proving my point. :)

Are you aware of NHL Board of Governors??


I'm sure you're right. A meeting held once a year is more than enough to give each and every owner an opportunity to have a say in every major decision made for the league, including during ongoing CBA negotiations (despite reports that owners were only shown the latest NHL and NHLPA proposals at the last meeting, because apparently in this age of instant technology they have to be in the same physical location to get that kind of information!)

I bet they close every meeting by singing Kumbaya too!
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 05:17 AM

The funny thing is, a lot of people see players making millions. (Jealous people) Not many see, that it's a buisness and the players are the ones playing the game not owners, yet owners want majority of the pie...sound fair??? I guess as long as buisness owners keep making making thousands every week and employee's make hundreads it's fair right. Protect your jobs and secure your future people...that's what we all want from our jobs, regardless if you love it or hate it!!!
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 01:44 PM

The funny thing is, a lot of people see players making millions. (Jealous people) Not many see, that it's a buisness and the players are the ones playing the game not owners, yet owners want majority of the pie...sound fair??? I guess as long as buisness owners keep making making thousands every week and employee's make hundreads it's fair right. Protect your jobs and secure your future people...that's what we all want from our jobs, regardless if you love it or hate it!!!

Name me one other business where the owner recieves only 43% of the revenue, while the employee runs off with 57%. No other business... or even sports league is that "fair" to it's employees.

If people don't like the way business is run, have the balls to start your own. Then you'll see what it's like to have all the risk and responsibility on your shoulders and you can ask yourself whether or not you think you should be making the lion's share of the profits, while your employees punch the clock and sleep easy at night.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 10:29 AM

Owners have already won, only thing that remains to be seen is what the score is at the end. If it ended today ummm 6-1 owners, Bettman 1g 2 assists.


Bettman...assist?

Well...you're half-right, anyway.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 10:59 AM

I think this lockout can be blamed on both parties but for different reasons.

When the lockout first began I was on the side of the players. They gave up huge amount after the last lockout and finally bought into the salary cap idea and went with a economic plan that the owners desired and claimed would fix the problem. Then after increasing league revenue each season after the last CBA the owners come out and say we're still paying to much and the players need to take a pay cut. This to me was just ludicrous and I was 100% behind the players when the lockout began.

Now as time has past and the negotiations have continued the players have agreed to the economic demands of the owners( which was much more more for the players then the original deal proposed by the league). This brings me to where my support has changed from the players to the owners. A CBA should be done with the best interest of the league and the integrity of the game and while the economic issues are big part of that, the players stance on contracts and prolonging this lockout because of these terms is not in the best interest for anyone other then the players. The new contract proposals are all based on maintaining a team unity and the ability to retain/sign prospective players. By denying these new contract limitations the players are being selfish and only thinking about themselves rather then the good of the game. And that is why personal my support has changed from the players to the owners.

At the end of the day both sides need to get there heads out of there asses and realize that the longer this lockout drags on(and the season possibly gets cancelled) that it will affect the game much greater then nit picking over semantics in the CBA. If the fans don't return it won't matter how good the CBA is the league will struggle financially and we will be in this same situation come the expiry of the next CBA.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 11:09 AM

I look at it as calculated risk, not unnecessary risks.

Risk is built into the dna of every business man on this planet. From the guy who borrows and begs from family and friends to start a shoe shining business on the sidewalk of a slum in Africa to the owner of the Tampa Lightning who invests hundreds of millions $ in a professional sports team.

Owners will not relent, they will get the best deal possible. It's a calculated risk on their part, I'm confident they know what they are doing.

One billionaire could have a brain cramp and guide his/her company into going bankrupt, But not 30 billionaires siting together in a board room advised by the best lawyers, accountants and business school graduates in the world.

Calculated risk is justified. It's part of doing business.


Well, if that is the case, 30 billionaires are out of touch with fans.

Lots of people that I have heard are so turned off by the sport. Not saying that this means anything statistically, but it is part of my personal opinion which has formed.

This is a risk that wasn't worth taking.

They spent so many years trying to sell the sport, especially to southern markets, and then they pull this? In the meantime, sports fans pay their money to go see something else.

Also, since season ticketholders are refunded their money, lots of families are much more comfortable. Economy is bad - every dollar counts. But these fans wanted to support their teams.

NHL loses.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 11:13 AM

Well, if that is the case, 30 billionaires are out of touch with fans.

Lots of people that I have heard are so turned off by the sport.

This is a risk that wasn't worth taking.


People said the same thing last lockout, but 98% of them came back loving the NHL more than ever.

It may not happen the same way again, but there is no empirical evidence suggesting otherwise.

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