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#1 Chioster

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 04:14 PM

All of this is based on my own opinion so feel free to criticize or debate about it.

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This map was created using Google Earth and Paint so sorry for any ugliness it possesses. I got bored during the lockout and decided to just fool around with my own version of what my NHL would look like.

I decided on using the older divisional names and tried to best use them in their geographical location as previously used.

The new teams such as Charlotte, Indianapolis, Portland, Seattle were chosen due to their geographical location as well as their population relative to metropolitan area. I tried to make each conference as geographically tight as possible in relative to time zone but the Western cities are still pretty darn spread out.

I chose the trade deadline so late due to the current schedule for trade deadline being too early and not enough teams are sellers/buyers which results in a pretty darn boring trade deadline, in my opinion.

You may ask, why 76 game season? Well a lot of you hate it or a lot of you love an 82 game season. I for one think it may just be a bit too long. Ending the season early gives it less competition against the other sports starting up such as MLB and the NBA playoffs. It also gives an earlier summer.

Lastly, why are there so little southern teams? Well, the only team that is more southern than Nashville are Charlotte, LA, and Dallas and those 3 cities are pretty darn big for a market to draw from.

Edited by Chioster, 27 December 2012 - 04:15 PM.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 04:36 PM

Not bad, nice graphic, I'd swap Colorado and Winnepeg to get a better chance of more Canadian teams later in the playoffs.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 04:41 PM

Or we can do this. Top 2 teams in each division, swap divisional playoffs. So say

First round, Canucks vs Flames, Edmonton vs Winnipeg
Canucks and Winnipeg advance (Canucks higher place obviously)

And in the other division, Denver and Chicago advance with Denver higher position

For round 2, it can be Canucks vs Chicago, and Winnipeg vs Denver.

Edited by Chioster, 27 December 2012 - 04:44 PM.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 05:00 PM

Read that map upside down and it sortof says 'DICK.'
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 05:30 PM

Very good!!!

Only thing I'd swap is Winnipeg and Colorado
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 05:37 PM

I thought about it but if we change the playoff system to the second system I suggested then I would like to keep it to all western/eastern Canadian teams in 1 division. Creates much more rivalries that way.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 05:57 PM

Read that map upside down and it sortof says 'DICK.'


Excellent contribution.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 06:00 PM

Read that map upside down and it sortof says 'DICK.'


time to take your meds I think
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 06:50 PM

I wish the leauge would abolish those teams that are playing in non-hockey markets and losing massive amounts of money with no fans around to care...and seriously look at european expansion.

Imagine having teams playing out of Helsinki, or Stockholm, or Prague, or Copenhagen, or Zurich, or half a dozen russian cities. The travel would be more difficult, make no mistake, but there are ways it could be done. We could have 2 North American divisions and a European one and each team could go on a couple massive road trips in a season to hit all the teams in the other division. A home game and an away game against each team in opposing divisions and a healthy number of games within your own division to keep rivalries strong.

Europe already has a built-in hockey fanbase (one which would only get stronger with the NHL). They've also got the infrastructure already in place. It might be a little tougher on the players but as far as fans, intrigue and revenue goes, it beats the crap out of having teams in places like Florida, Columbus and Phoenix. In one fell swoop, we could eliminate the "problem teams" of the league (you know, the ones that are the reason for this 3rd lockout in 20 years), add huge sources of revenue, and create a massive amount of exposure and excitement for the game.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:23 PM

I wish the leauge would abolish those teams that are playing in non-hockey markets and losing massive amounts of money with no fans around to care...and seriously look at european expansion.

Imagine having teams playing out of Helsinki, or Stockholm, or Prague, or Copenhagen, or Zurich, or half a dozen russian cities. The travel would be more difficult, make no mistake, but there are ways it could be done. We could have 2 North American divisions and a European one and each team could go on a couple massive road trips in a season to hit all the teams in the other division. A home game and an away game against each team in opposing divisions and a healthy number of games within your own division to keep rivalries strong.

Europe already has a built-in hockey fanbase (one which would only get stronger with the NHL). They've also got the infrastructure already in place. It might be a little tougher on the players but as far as fans, intrigue and revenue goes, it beats the crap out of having teams in places like Florida, Columbus and Phoenix. In one fell swoop, we could eliminate the "problem teams" of the league (you know, the ones that are the reason for this 3rd lockout in 20 years), add huge sources of revenue, and create a massive amount of exposure and excitement for the game.


It is also a problem with visas and work permits. Free Agency might become a problem as players will try as much as possible, North American players that is to stay in North America. Also, it will be tougher to manage as all the different currencies like the mid 90s when the Canadian Dollar was 0.67 USD which really hurt a lot of Canadian teams.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 11:08 PM

I'm curious what the Canucks-specific angle is to this is, since it's in Canucks Talk. Anything in particular or should it have gone to General Hockey?

Anyway, no way the European expansion idea would work. The OP is pretty bold to think all those places would be up for expansion/relocation, considering some are still years away from having arenas that would make them capable of hosting an NHL franchise.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:51 AM

I have a few opinions on this map:
1. I completely agree Portland and Seattle need teams and it would creat alot of balance in the west as far as travel goes.
2. I agree that Phx, Anh, Flo, and CBJ need to be relocated.
3. NYI will not be moving anywhere but brooklyn
4. Two other markets you moved I don't see moving: Buffalo (which baffles me that you moved and not Nashville). and TB who has been becoming a viable team in florida as apposed to there rivals.
5. I think Milwaukee deserves a chance at a team; Baltimore/Charlotte/Cinn/Indiana. not so much
6. Denver should remain in the same division with Van/Cal/Edm; Minn and Winnipeg are so close and could create a great rivalry. (plus more canadian teams possible in playoffs.)

So proposed realignment would be:
1. Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, SJ, LA, Portland, Seattle, Denver
2. Winnipeg, Milwaukee, Chicago, Minnisota, St louis, Kansas City, Nashville, Dallas
3.Tampa, Carolina, Washington, Pitts, Philly, NYI, NYR, NJ
4. Detroit, Toronto, hamilton, ottawa, QC, Montreal, Buffalo, Boston

Proposed schedule of games:
4 vs division
2 vs non-division
1 home/home against 1 team in each non-division
*** Division finalists in playoffs automotically match up against eachother for Home/homes in following season

So lets say Vancouver, Chicago, Boston, and NYR are the four final teams in the SC playoffs in 2013, in 2014 Vancouver would play 4 games against chicago, boston and nyr instead of 2. the remaining 7 teams in each division would be matched up with other non-division opponents by draw.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:02 AM

Excellent contribution.

On par.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:18 AM

What happens if a team fails? How long is a fanbase given to support thier team before re-located? How long can a team be un-profitable? How will the league absorb struggling franchises? Re-location or retraction on failed teams?
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 06:55 PM

It is also a problem with visas and work permits. Free Agency might become a problem as players will try as much as possible, North American players that is to stay in North America. Also, it will be tougher to manage as all the different currencies like the mid 90s when the Canadian Dollar was 0.67 USD which really hurt a lot of Canadian teams.

I don't know enough about other countries visa/ work permit requirements to really comment on that side of the issue. When it comes to currency differences though, a league salary cap could go a long way towards keeping a balanced playing field (if its handled properly, for once). The Canadian teams back in the 90's really could have benefited from a cap imo. As far as North American players wanting to stay in NA, that's probably true to an extent. But you don't have to look any further than what they're up to during this lockout to realize that there are a lot of NA players willing to go play in Europe if conditions are right. On the flip side, The swedes, Russians, Czechs, Slovaks and Finns might have a similar bias towards the European teams.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 04:23 AM

This is an old post I made in a previous Realignment thread, I came up with this in the basis of trying to make travel a easy as possible, and reduce it as much as possible, aswell as keep the times zones in order.


I like the way the divisions are setup now. I would much rather have 5 team divisions than 4 big divisions/confrence's.

We just need to move the teams into the Correct Divisions.

Here's a map of the team placement:

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Here's what I propose (I'll use current division names, but they can be changed):

Western Conference

North West Division:
Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Colorado

Pacific Division:
Anahiem, LA, San Jose, Phoenix, Dallas

Central Division:
Chicago, Minnesota, St.Louis, Nashville, Columbus

Eastern Conference

North East Division:
Toronto, Montreal, Boston, Ottawa, Detriot

Atlantic:
NY Rangers, NY Islanders, New Jersey, Washington, Buffalo

South East:
Carolina, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay, Florida

Possible new Rivalries:
- PIT vs TB (Crosby vs Stamkos)
- WSH vs NYR (Could build off alot of recent playoff meetings)
- BUF vs NYR or/and NYI (New York team vs New York team)
- WPG vs VAN/CGY/EDM (Canadian team vs Canadian team)
- DET vs TOR (Winter Classic could help build original six rivalry)

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 29 December 2012 - 04:29 AM.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 11:24 AM

OP do you mind making a list in text form? The map is cool but the letters are kinda small.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 01:14 PM

Campbell Conference

Smythe
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
Winnipeg
Saskatoon
Seattle

Norris
Detroit
St Louis
Chicago
St Paul
Minneapolis
Fargo

Wales Conference

Adams
Toronto
Ottawa
Montreal
Quebec
Halifax
Boston


Patrick
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
NY Rangers
New Jersey
Washington
Buffalo

Edited by infinitecarnage, 29 December 2012 - 01:23 PM.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 06:15 PM

Milwaukee isn't nearly the "hockey" city some of you might think it is. Sure Madison supports the Badgers in NCAA... but that's only because their hockey team usually does better than the basketball team (overall.) Leave Wisconsin out of the discussion.

And I know a lot of you want to put Detroit in the East... but they are much better off staying with MN, Chi and St.Louis (the old Norris) due to the heated rivalries that once was in the 80s.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:56 PM

Campbell Conference

Smythe
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
Winnipeg
Saskatoon
Seattle

Norris
Detroit
St Louis
Chicago
St Paul
Minneapolis
Fargo

Wales Conference

Adams
Toronto
Ottawa
Montreal
Quebec
Halifax
Boston


Patrick
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
NY Rangers
New Jersey
Washington
Buffalo


Saskatoon and Halifax are likely too small. I doubt Minneapolis-St.Paul can support two team. Biggest headscrather is Fargo. That would be kind of like Red Deer having an NHL team (Fargo is just a bit bigger) except without the rabid hockey enthusiasm.
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:48 AM

Saskatoon and Halifax are likely too small. I doubt Minneapolis-St.Paul can support two team. Biggest headscrather is Fargo. That would be kind of like Red Deer having an NHL team (Fargo is just a bit bigger) except without the rabid hockey enthusiasm.


i agree but this is my dream nhl. small, hockey crazed towns instead of big us cities that still don't know what icing is. to be honest, it's more fun and exciting to watch a memorial cup final between two canadian teams in a small but more intimate rink. in fact, let me reorganize the divisons:

Campbell Conference

Western Canada
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
Winnipeg
Saskatoon
Regina

Central USA
St Paul
Minneapolis
Bloomington
Detroit
Fargo

Wales Conference

Ontario
Toronto
Ottawa
Hamilton
London
Windsor
Thunder Bay

Eastern Canada
Montreal
Quebec
Halifax
St John's
Buffalo

There... just like CHL :towel:

Edited by infinitecarnage, 30 December 2012 - 01:30 AM.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:53 PM

The NHL will never go back to old division and conference names. They model themselves after the NFL and the NBA.

SmashianKassian probably made the most realistic changes.

But the only difference it will eventually be

Northwest:

Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Seattle (formally Phoenix)

Southwest:

San Jose, Los Angeles, Anaheim, Colorado, Dallas

The Islanders or Devils (Or perhaps both) might move to a Second team in Toronto, and a team in Quebec City. But that's a few years away.

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