Rey Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 This thread is not about Cody Hodgson. I think most people are over that. Schroeder's been blasted for putting up the same amount of points as Kassian. There's a whole thread about how Schroeder is never going to make the NHL because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksSayEh Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 There is no doubt he needs to do better. I'm not overly concerned. Optimistic still, but not impressed. Time to step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 31, 2012 Author Share Posted December 31, 2012 I've accepted that we need Kassian over Hodgson. That's fine, and I'm even fine with the swap. Schroeder fell into the Canucks' lap in 2009 and I think he's got the potential to be a pretty good NHL player. Hodgson for Kassian is a reasonable gamble, with Kassian turning into a Lucic-type as the desired end. The timing didn't make much sense, but there was logic in the move. I'm just upset that he doesn't seem to be getting better. Stats matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil B From The Pack Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Oh how I love your BS posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 That's fine, and I'm even fine with the swap. Schroeder fell into the Canucks' lap in 2009 and I think he's got the potential to be a pretty good NHL player. Hodgson for Kassian is a reasonable gamble, with Kassian turning into a Lucic-type as the desired end. The timing didn't make much sense, but there was logic in the move. I'm just upset that he doesn't seem to be getting better. Stats matter. Agreed. Also people need to consider that Kassian was putting up better AHL numbers with Rochester a year ago. Bout a goal every 2 games. Add the fact that he wasn't consistent there either. Kassian looked real good at the start of the season, this year. At least that's a positive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 "Watch him play" - fine, but the numbers don't lie. The numbers are what's honest, free of the confirmation bias that so many Canuck fans suffer from - seeing only what you want to see, rather than reality. Thanks for affirming my belief that you haven't seen him play. And no, the numbers don't mean anywhere near as much as you seem to think they do... I scored 2 goals in my game the other week, one was an empty netter and the other was a snapshot from the point that bounced off my arm into the net. I was sat for almost an entire period at one point for making two terrible giveaways in our own zone, and I had also missed a wide open net earlier. You would look and say "wow he got 2 goals, he must have played great", but anyone who actually watched the game would realized that I hadn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I think the only warning sign with Zack Kassian is his consistency. He can dominate one game, and then be invisible in the next. That may ultimately hurt him in the long run. At the worst, Kassian will be a decent bottom six forward. At his best, he could be a 60 pt per season power forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 You've made several statements in this thread that demonstrate trolling. It needs to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
literaphile Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I'm not sure how anyone can call this thread "BS", since it's just a report of the numbers. The numbers don't lie - they're an objective assessment of a player's progress. Nothing more. That said, I don't think three-year windows are far-more valuable than two-year windows, so I wouldn't cry panic just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksSayEh Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 His stats matter much more to me in the AHL than NHL. If he came into the Canucks and made lots of smart plays, wasn't a liability and layed big hits then I would be happy, even if he rarely hit the scoresheet. However, on the Wolves, he should be doing all that aswell as scoring, often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMBUTANS Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 You've made several statements in this thread that demonstrate trolling. It needs to stop. Hi Deb, don't give into a lot of posters on CDC accussing others of trolling. King has demonstrated telling numbers which is hard to argue with. I'm not even sure why others have already dismissed it but it's crystal clear. I think something is not going right with Kassian or his development which the management needs to address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck_trevor16 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 You've made several statements in this thread that demonstrate trolling. It needs to stop. thank you should keep an eye more closely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMBUTANS Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 thank you should keep an eye more closely I think you should be objective and stop being a mini-mod. The mods know what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuretoMogilny Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Now that Kassian's essentially played the same amount of games in the AHL this season as he did last, I thought I'd have a look at the numbers to see how exactly he's "developing" (generous term). WARNING: this ain't pretty 2011-12: 30 GP, 15 G, 26 P, +4, 94 SOG, 31 PIM 2012-13: 28 GP, 6 G, 18 P, -1, 72 SOG, 59 PIM By my calculations, this amounts to the following data comparatives:60% year-over-year reduction in goals31% year-over-year reduction in points18% year-over-year reduction in SOG/game90% year-over-year increase in PIMs. And, to be honest, the two things that are of the most concern to me are the decline in SOG and the increase in PIM. There's really no explanation for getting less SOG as a 22 year-old AHL sophomore than as a 21 year-old AHL rookie. And this SOG figure is even inflated, as Kass did have 7 SOG last game, bringing up his average significantly. And while it's nice that he does seem willing to throw the body, at times, and drop the gloves, at times, I really hope that we didn't trade Cody Hodgson for a bottom-six goon that will be lucky to get 5 - 10 goals per year in limited minutes. I'm beginning to wonder if Kassian has a bit of "Kyle Beach" in him; capable of so much, too stupid to realize it and in the penalty box way, way too much. Let's not forget that Kassian was hand held by the Sedin's in the off-season to try and get his training habits in shape (not a good sign), and even went on to be a healthy scratch in 1 (or more, I'm not sure) game, also (clearly) not a good sign. Who else is concerned? Ya and you think Kadri is great lol bc he's a ppg in the AHL - you and Smashian Anyone else want Kadri over Kassian? Laughable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Ya and you think Kadri is great lol bc he's a ppg in the AHL - you and Smashian Anyone else want Kadri over Kassian? Laughable Which is funny, because Kadri's P/G dropped in the NHL and the AHL last season, so by ES logic, that means he is getting worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 31, 2012 Author Share Posted December 31, 2012 Thanks for affirming my belief that you haven't seen him play. And no, the numbers don't mean anywhere near as much as you seem to think they do... I scored 2 goals in my game the other week, one was an empty netter and the other was a snapshot from the point that bounced off my arm into the net. I was sat for almost an entire period at one point for making two terrible giveaways in our own zone, and I had also missed a wide open net earlier. You would look and say "wow he got 2 goals, he must have played great", but anyone who actually watched the game would realized that I hadn't. I live in Chicago and have seen him play many times, both in Chicago and even in Peoria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-a-Million Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I wonder, have you ever gotten over the Linden trade or the Bertuzzi trade? Like, Hodgson is gone - for good! Get over it. I've watched a couple of games that Kassian has played and he's going to be an all star, given the ice time and the opportunity. The AHL is not even a consideration to real games in the NHL. Perhaps your time would be better spent wondering what Mason Raymond has been doing to make sure he is a positive contributor once the NHL resumes instead of lammenting Hodgson, who will never amount to much in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 31, 2012 Author Share Posted December 31, 2012 You've made several statements in this thread that demonstrate trolling. It needs to stop. Pardon me? I'm speaking in real numbers and bringing up a valid concern. What's the issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 The issue would be that you are a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 31, 2012 Author Share Posted December 31, 2012 Ya and you think Kadri is great lol bc he's a ppg in the AHL - you and Smashian You don't think he's any good because he's small. Classic size bias. And for the record, let's not put words in other peoples' mouths. Never, ever have I said that Kadri is "great". What I've said is that he's probably roughly where he should be, as a 2009 high draft pick. Respectable NHL production through a limited opportunity, and very good minor league production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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