TOMapleLaughs Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Fyi. Mason Raymond and Manny Malhotra are UFA's for the season in question. So please stop suggesting their buyouts or people will snap. Michael Grange of Sportsnet reported on Thursday that the NHL has agreed to two compliance buyouts per team for the 2013-14 season, likely beginning this offseason. The NHL’s initial offer in this round of bargaining included a one-time buyout whose money would not count against the salary cap but would count against the players’ share of hockey related revenue. That the players agreed to this “keeping money outside the system” provision, and accepted a second buyout, is a significant concession. Then again, taking a dozen elephantine contracts off the books next season could be beneficial to the players. With the salary cap dropping – the NHL wants a $60 million cap while the NHLPA is asking for a $65 million cap – the union wants to keep its escrow withholdings from spiraling upward. The fewer teams pressed up against the upper limit of the cap, the better the chances are that escrow wouldn’t balloon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeak Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Compliance buyouts wouldn't count towards the cap, The cap for that season might be as low as $60mil. Our big UFA is of course Edler. Gillis is not a fan of buyouts, but he may have to do it if he wants to keep Edler. Massive speculation of Ballard being one guy, at least. The question is if he'd buyout Luongo as well. In either case, all these teams currently over the cap are generally safe: - Boston will buyout Savard and Thomas comes off the books, allowing them to retain Horton. - Minny has Bouchard, Cullen and Backstrom coming off the books, but Clutterbuck is a RFA. They will be strapped with no obvious buyout candidates. - We have several UFA's coming off the books, including Edler, Raymond, Lappy, Manny, Higgins and Alberts. We're under the cap, but then short of players. Luongo and Ballard are buyout candidates. Needless to say, our 13-14 lineup will look pretty different. Insert our plethora of prospects? Hehe. - Calgary won't have much of a problem as Iginla and the mighty Roman Cervenka come off the books. They might buyout some guys anyway. - Philly is strapped as usual, but they haven't let silly things like the cap bother them before. - SJ will have enough room to retain their guys. - Chicago is strapped still, but no overly. Hossa's status is still a question. Honestly, it looks like our team is the team in the biggest trouble. Yay for compliance buyouts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugemanskost Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 If I had to choose, Lu and Ballard would be the ones to go. Would suck to get nothing but cap relief for them, though. There could be a lot of very good players walking around unemployed at the beginning of 13-14 who may have to sign for "peanuts" in the NHL just to suit up. KHL, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gran Turismo Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Ballard and Booth. Looking to see if we can still get something for Lu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Since we're already discussing this in the CBA thread and you're talking about for any NHL team, why did you put this in Canucks Talk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLLmAtlc Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Honestly I think it's better for something like this to be in Canucks talk than cluttering up the CBA talk when people are anxious to see if there is any progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Too late for that, we've already had someone detail a number of possibilities for all the teams in the CBA thread. Is there really a lot of debate that would require its own thread beyond Ballard and Booth for who we'd buyout anyway (assuming we could trade Luongo, but he'd be a third option)? EDIT: Found the post, which was related to the single buyout option, but there's been plenty of discussion since on our options as well as for other teams. Likely buyout candidates? These are my best guesses that would get the teams under a $60 mil cap with no other additions. Ana - None/Under Bos - None/Under Buf - Leino Cal - Bouwmeester Car - None/Under Chi - Frolik Col - None/Under Clb - None/Under Dal - None/Under Det - None/Under Edm - Horcoff/Hemsky/Whitney Fla - None/Under LA - None/Under Min - Heatley Mtl - Gomez Nas - None/Under NJ - None/Under NYI- None/Under NYR - None/Under ( But still need to sign Del Zotto) Ott - None/Under Phi - Briere??? - If not counting Pronger the Flyers only need to shed approx $ 2mil but do not have full roster Pho - None/Under Pit - Martin SJ - Havlat Stl - None/Under TB - Ohlund Tor - Komisarek Van - Ballard + ??? Was - Ward & ??? Win - None/Under What a cursory look at the numbers shows that the Canucks are one of the few teams, along with Wash and Philly, that likely cannot get compliant with a single move but that the $60 mil cap seems highly doable for most teams. The guys who will suffer the most are the RFAs who have not signed with their team yet. ie. Subban, Del Zotto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babych Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Isn't Savard still on injury reserve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 Since we're already discussing this in the CBA thread and you're talking about for any NHL team, why did you put this in Canucks Talk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 Other teams a mentioned so there is a gauge on how big our problems look compared to other strapped teams. imo Fairly substantial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 obviously ballard is our first choice, cdc has been throwing names like booth and lu in the mix though. why not discuss garrison? he's Making some serious coin for having one good season. I wouldn't want to let him go but maybe resign him for less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babych Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The title asks 'Who are yours?' That meant Canucks. Hence Canucks talk. There is a Luongo amnesty buyout thread yes, but now that 2 buyouts are possible for '13-'14, it's news. Besides the Lockout/CBA thread is dryer than a fart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Ballard is my biggest one he has no trade value, and are just eating up cap space. Ballard is a borderline 6th d-man, getting paid 4 mill a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everybody Hates Raymond Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 obviously ballard is our first choice, cdc has been throwing names like booth and lu in the mix though. why not discuss garrison? he's Making some serious coin for having one good season. I wouldn't want to let him go but maybe resign him for less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Garrison put up a great amount of points with the Panthers. He'd be deadly on the power play with the Sedins. And who would replace him? Honestly, this isn't NHL 13. We need players like Garrison especially considering there's no d-man close to him left on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The title asks 'Who are yours?' That meant Canucks. Hence Canucks talk. There is a Luongo amnesty buyout thread yes, but now that 2 buyouts are possible for '13-'14, it's news. Besides the Lockout/CBA thread is dryer than a fart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Gomez and Jeff Finger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 it was a question not a suggestion. just wanted to see what others thought. don't refer to nhl 13 like I'm a 6 yr old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etsen3 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Ballard is the obvious choice. After that Malhotra or Booth, but I'd wait to see what they can do first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 He has a point - not to mention you can't buyout a player only to re-sign him for less. They become UFAs and can go wherever they want. Why would Garrison want to sign with us as a UFA, only to be bought out and have us ask him to sign for less than we just signed him for before he's had a chance to play a single game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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