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#31 bim bo

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:48 PM

Hmm, maybe a loophole there - Sign a player to an expensive extension, then buy him out and sign him to a cheaper, cap-friendly contract.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:49 PM

Actually, I think the only people I would buy out would be Ballard and Raymond, because of who the other teams are likely to buy out.
Say Edmonton buys out Hemsky, Philly buys out Briere, or SJ buys out Havlat, then we buy out Raymond and Ballard, then sign Hemsky, Havlat, or Briere for 4 million and put them on the 2nd line with Booth and Kesler.

Daniel-Henrik-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Hemsky/Havlat/Briere
Higgins-Lapierre-Hansen/Kassian
Weise-Malholtra-Kassian/Hansen

Edler-Garrison
Hamhuis-Bieksa
Corrado-Tanev

If Tampa buys out Ohlund or Toronto buys out Komisarek, along with Ward being bought out by Washington, then we sign one of Ohlund or Komisarek for 2 million, and then sign Ward for 1.5 million.

Daniel-Henrik-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Kassian
Higgins-Lapierre-Hansen
Weise-Malholtra-Ward

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:53 PM

Hmm, maybe a loophole there - Sign a player to an expensive extension, then buy him out and sign him to a cheaper, cap-friendly contract.


Take Edler, sign him for 8 million per year for 6 years, then buy him out and sign him for 6 years at 1 million. 54 million dollars for Edler, hardly any cap hit for the Canucks (Assuming the 4th highest earning franchise in the NHL has 54 million dollars to throw around).

Edited by ER15, 03 January 2013 - 01:59 PM.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 02:08 PM

It wasn't immediately clear you meant only us, as evidenced by the first reply being Heatley. My point stands in that there it's pretty obvious there are 2-3 guys we'd buy out and that it's already been covered in the CBA thread (and the Luongo buyout thread - thanks, forgot about that one).

The first reply also bolded the Minnesota part, so...

If your point was 'why Canucks talk?' then i addressed it by asking 'Who are yours?' in the title and then putting it in Canucks talk. Who else but Canucks fans would i be addressing there? Trolls? They're welcome to input too, i guess.

The CBA/Lockout thread in general hockey talk is about the CBA and the Lockout, not nessessarily how it affects the Canucks. Hence, it being in general hockey talk. But if you want to talk about all potential buyouts there, go for it.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 02:20 PM

If I'm reading this correctly, the buyouts are for 13-14 season which is next season. For those that suggested Raymond and Manny, both are only signed for this season and are UFAs after.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 02:33 PM

If there is a season this year, Luongo needs to be traded. I'm not sure if the owners will allow the buyout of Luongo, that is alot of money.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 02:42 PM

Ballard is the obvious choice. After that Malhotra or Booth, but I'd wait to see what they can do first.

I would buy out Ballard and Raymond/Malholtra.

Why bother buying out Raymond or Malhotra, just don't re-sign them. They're UFAs this summer anyway. See this post later in the thread:

If I'm reading this correctly, the buyouts are for 13-14 season which is next season. For those that suggested Raymond and Manny, both are only signed for this season and are UFAs after.


For the people who already wanna get rid of Booth :picard: We've only had the guy for one year...

If we had one buyout left after dropping Ballard and still needed to move $4-5M to get under $60M in cap space, who would you suggest we buy out? People don't suggest him because they think he's a bum, they suggest him because they think he provides the least value for players that make similar amounts.

Hmm, maybe a loophole there - Sign a player to an expensive extension, then buy him out and sign him to a cheaper, cap-friendly contract.

Take Edler, sign him for 8 million per year for 6 years, then buy him out and sign him for 6 years at 1 million. 54 million dollars for Edler, hardly any cap hit for the Canucks (Assuming the 4th highest earning franchise in the NHL has 54 million dollars to throw around).

As has already been mentioned, no, you can't buy out a player and then re-sign him.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 03:07 PM

If we trade Luongo to Toronto, it could be interesting. Say we acquire Komisarek in the deal, as a means of picking up their crap to boost the return, and then use the buyouts on Ballard and Komisarek. Could that be worth it? I know we have a couple candidates for the 2nd buyout, but if we could improve the gain in a trade, I think it'd be worth holding on to a guy like Malhotra.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 03:09 PM

How dumb are people to think that Lu should be bought out? Ever heard of trading a player......


Yes because with the cap going up to 89,000,000 and teams getting rewarded with extra draft lottery balls for taking on and signing players to long front loaded contracts in the new CBA it wont be hard to trade Luongo for something like the OKC entire current roster.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 03:12 PM

My question is, who would trade for Luongo now? They know the Canucks probably won't continue with both Lu and Schneider so why wouldn't they just wait until the Canucks are forced to buy him out? Then they can sign him without mortgaging the future.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 03:15 PM

I think the best thing to do would be to buy out Lu, so he can then chose for himself which team he wants to go to. For the remaining cap hit, it depends if Edler wants to stay if yes then we buy out Ballard if no then we trade Edler and buy out Raymond or Booth. (Which ever one makes more sense to management)
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 03:18 PM

Uhh, nobody?

If Gillis can't get anything in a trade, even if it's just draft picks, he's not doing his job as GM.

There are teams that will be willing to trade for Luongo and Ballard. There's no need to buy them out.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 03:25 PM

Ballard is the obvious choice.

Booth and Luongo at least still have value.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 03:42 PM

Assuming that Luongo is already Leaf bound, I would buy out Ballard and Malhotra.

They both take up like 6.7m of cap space but plays small roles on the team.

Raymond still is an NHL forward on some teams and has a manageable contract, he could be attractive to teams lacking forward depth. You cant trade Malhotra, no one would take him after the eye injury and seeing his play has decline ever since.

I dont think he will feel disrespected and he could get a job in the coaching staff or something since everyone loves him.

Then use that money to re-sign Edler and some depth players.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 03:46 PM

Assuming that Luongo is already Leaf bound, I would buy out Ballard and Malhotra.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 03:53 PM

I highly doubt this will happen but if Kesler can't get back to even 80% I'm wondering if that may be a sad and unfortunate way use a buyout. Elder also has a bad back so he may not be resigned if it hinders his performance.

Man would either of those suck.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:05 PM

If buyouts for 2013 come into effect as outlined then trade values for players up until that time will also adjust accordingly. Its simple supply and demand. Every player in the league has trade value. It just depends on what the return is. If GM's know who the supposed buyout targets are for each team (and lets face it, they all know) then why would they offer more than a bare minimum to trade for a guy they can have a chance to sign to a more favorable deal after he is bought out?

The ONLY sticky point for this is the risk that other teams will be after the guy you want and you will either lose out on getting them as a UFA or their price will be driven up. But since most are considered overvalued contract wise anyway it is pretty low risk.

How this plays out will be interesting.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:19 PM

Wait.... what??

Buyouts in order to be cap compliant?

So the cap goes down and players salaries remain the same but in order to be cap compliant teams over the new cap must buy out players in order to meet the new cap? Doesn't that punish only teams that have spent up to the old cap?? I would assume that if a bought out player was picked up then his new salary would be deducted from the previous teams buyout so what's to stop a team from low balling the new player or will he just bolt to the KHL and get paid double???

Am I looking at this wrong?
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:24 PM

Everything I have read states that the lower cap would not come into effect until next season (2013-14). Malhotra and Raymond will be already off the books by then.

Also, it stands to reason that a team that buys a player out will not be allowed to sign/acquire him again that year. That is how the other buyouts work.

As for Canuck buyouts - definitely Ballard, and maybe Booth.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:28 PM

Uhh, nobody?

If Gillis can't get anything in a trade, even if it's just draft picks, he's not doing his job as GM.

There are teams that will be willing to trade for Luongo and Ballard. There's no need to buy them out.


Luongo? Of course. But Ballard? Not a chance.

With reduced cap space, I doubt a team even takes Ballard on waivers.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:35 PM

The best thing that could happen to Roberto Luongo is an amnesty buy out. If the same metrics apply to amnesty buyout as it does to current terms (assuming it hasn't expired?), he would receive a buy out of $27.04 million, paid over 18 years (according to CapGeek.com) and he would be free to sign anywhere as a free agent.

Lets say he signs a 5 year deal with another team (say Florida) for $5.0 million per year (which would probably be reasonable), his gross pay would amount to $52 million, which is more than the $48 million he's still owed under the terms of his current contract. Add his NHL pension to this, and he's laughing all the way to the bank. It's no wonder he's been as cool and calculating about his situation with the Canucks...if bought out, he would most likely make more money and play where he wants.

On topic, I see the Canucks having the most to do in dealing with the possible new CBA of all teams...Malhotra, Raymond and Alberts will probably end up as unsigned UFAs, and as much as I hate to see this happen, if Luongo isn't bought out, next choices, in order would probably be Ballard and Booth. Maybe we'll learn to develop our own farm system, instead of looking to the Panthers organization for high priced talent (i.e., Luongo, Ballard, Booth, Higgins, Garrison).

Let's hope that Kassian, Jensen, Schroeder, Gaunce, Tanev, Connauton, Corrado, Lack and Cannata are ready to make the jump in the next 18 months. Otherwise, barring trades and FA signings, we're hooped.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:38 PM

Luongo? Of course. But Ballard? Not a chance.

With reduced cap space, I doubt a team even takes Ballard on waivers.


I don't agree. Defenseman are always in high demand.

Low market teams that need to get to the salary floor, and have a hard time signing free agents will take a chance on Ballard, despite his average play.

How else do you think a player like James Wieniewski gets 7 million dollars a year? Ballard will seem like a steal compared to that.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:39 PM

Agreeing to have the buyout count again the players' share is ridiculous. Once again the owners dumping the blame for their collective stupidity onto the players. Which come to think of it, is the whole crux of this lockout.


Pretty sad that the game is suffering because of the lack of checks and balances on the wealthiest in the industry.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:39 PM

one of our goalies will not be with us in the 2013/14 season so that is 4-6M right there if Eddy does not re-sign that is also a possible outcome.
Mayray might be heading out with either goalie,
thing is we should need to nor might not want to do any buyouts depending on how things play out this season with trades and injuries FA's etc.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 05:02 PM

I don't agree. Defenseman are always in high demand.

Low market teams that need to get to the salary floor, and have a hard time signing free agents will take a chance on Ballard, despite his average play.

How else do you think a player like James Wieniewski gets 7 million dollars a year? Ballard will seem like a steal compared to that.


Yes, good defensemen will be in high demand, especially if they can produce offense. Even average ones at decent prices will be coveted. But poor ones, that are overpaid, will not.

Wisniewski just came off a season in which he scored 10 goals and 53 points in 81 games. Since arriving in Vancouver, Ballard has had 15 points in 126 games. At that rate, Ballard will need 445 total games with us to reach what Wiz got in that one season.

Sure, Columbus had to pay a premium. And yeah, his first season was a disappointment. But he still got 27 points in 48 games (Ballard will need 227 games to get to 27).

And don't even try to claim that Ballard is defensively responsible. He has the worst giveaway-takeaway ratio on the team BY FAR, despite weaker QOC.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 05:14 PM

It would be difficult to trade Ballard, but not impossible.

However, i'm almost expecting Gilman/Gillis to work their cap magic so we don't have to trade or buyout anyone and still be able to sign whoever.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 05:22 PM

Yes, good defensemen will be in high demand, especially if they can produce offense. Even average ones at decent prices will be coveted. But poor ones, that are overpaid, will not.

Wisniewski just came off a season in which he scored 10 goals and 53 points in 81 games. Since arriving in Vancouver, Ballard has had 15 points in 126 games. At that rate, Ballard will need 445 total games with us to reach what Wiz got in that one season.

Sure, Columbus had to pay a premium. And yeah, his first season was a disappointment. But he still got 27 points in 48 games (Ballard will need 227 games to get to 27).

And don't even try to claim that Ballard is defensively responsible. He has the worst giveaway-takeaway ratio on the team BY FAR, despite weaker QOC.


I don't see how a team like Dallas, who are desperate for a defenseman, and need to make the cap floor, wouldn't take a chance on Ballard. There will always be teams that take a chance on players returning to previous form.

They're gonna have a tough time attracting free agents when Jagr, Morrow, Whitney, Ryder, Roy, and Robidas are gone. Might as well get a D-man that's locked up for the next 2 and a half seasons.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 05:46 PM

louie has to be traded..franchise suicide give quality players away. the buy outs are to become cap compliant. if/when louie is traded would we even need to buy any one out, if so ballard would be the only guy on list
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:16 PM

Garrison put up a great amount of points with the Panthers. He'd be deadly on the power play with the Sedins. And who would replace him?

Just like how Ballard put up a great amount of points with the panthers.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:54 PM

It wasn't immediately clear you meant only us, as evidenced by the first reply being Heatley. My point stands in that there it's pretty obvious there are 2-3 guys we'd buy out and that it's already been covered in the CBA thread (and the Luongo buyout thread - thanks, forgot about that one).


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