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#1 Wetcoaster

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 05:47 PM

First it was ice bombs... and now Ice Follies with 40 vehicles involved in accidents during the morning rush hour as the bridge deck turned into an ice rink.


The company that runs the new Port Mann Bridge has ordered daily de-icing to prevent a repeat of the mayhem that was Thursday morning's rush hour, when 40 vehicles were involved in collisions.


Max Logan, spokesman for Transportation Investment Corp., apologized to drivers Thursday and said the B.C. Crown corporation is "redoubling its efforts" to ensure the bridge is safe for winter driving.


Mainroad Lower Mainland Contracting, which does the winter maintenance, will apply a saltwater solution at least once a day as well as salt crystals when needed, Logan said.


The brine had last been applied to the bridge deck at 4 a.m. on Wednesday and was expected to be effective for 48 hours. But just 26 hours later — and despite Mainroad checking road and air temperature on the bridge several times between 10 p.m. and 5 a.m. to measure the potential for icing — the driving surface suddenly turned icy.


The ice, poor visibility in fog and speed were blamed for the crashes.


Surrey deputy fire chief Karen Fry said the bridge was "a mess" and it was even difficult to get tow trucks onto the bridge to remove damaged vehicles. Paramedics gave first aid to several people and one person was taken to hospital with minor injuries. TransLink temporarily rerouted the No. 555 express bus to Surrey City Centre.


"Despite [Mainroad's] efforts, the concentration of saltwater brine solution was not sufficient," Logan said. "It's a disappointing morning for sure.


"Drivers are expecting to have a reliable free-flowing commute. . . . Obviously we ask them to be mindful of winter conditions, but there absolutely cannot be a repeat of this. With more salting and application of the brine we don't expect these conditions to occur again."


Drivers described the bridge as a sheet of ice.


Langley resident Greg Sadowski said he wasn't surprised that traffic was spinning out of control on ice, noting that "it's crazy" coming down the hill on the Surrey side of the bridge even when the road is dry.


"I knew if they didn't come out with the ice team it was going to be a gong show and it certainly was," he said.


Amanda Thomas, who left her Fraser Heights home at 5:30 a.m. Thursday and headed west across the bridge, said it didn't seem slippery, but she drove slower than usual, under the speed limit, because it was hard to see. She got halfway across the bridge when she noticed a row of red tail lights, and stopped her car. "I figured there must be an accident up ahead, probably because of the fog," Thomas said.


Seconds later, she heard a horn blaring. Looking in her rear-view mirror, she saw an SUV barrelling down the HOV lane beside her. "The car ahead had nowhere to go. The SUV swerved to the left, trying to get around the car and not hit him directly from behind," Thomas said. "He hit the (concrete) barriers, then the car, which hit another car and so on."

Stunned, Thomas looked in her mirror again and saw an SUV coming up behind her. She inched her car forward and to the right. The SUV missed her Honda Civic but struck cars in front of her.


"I told my friend I felt like I was in the middle of an action movie," she said. "They were going really fast. My opinion is they were driving like they usually drive to work, even though it was foggy."


RCMP Sgt. Peter Thiessen said the situation was compounded by similar icy conditions near 264th Avenue in Langley. He wasn't aware of similar problems on other major Metro Vancouver bridges.


Logan said it is up to Mainroad to determine when brine or crystals are applied, but both TI Corp. and Mainroad are reviewing their policies. Brine is typically used for prevention, he said, while crystal salt is applied once its starts to snow or to prevent black ice.


"The contract essentially says they are responsible to make sure ice does not build up on the highway," he said. "It's not prescriptive, it's focused on what the expectation is. They did not meet the expectation."


Mainroad spokeswoman Niki Taylor said the company had been instructed by the B.C. ministry of transportation not to speak with the media. The provincial government did not return calls.


Logan said the new bridge has asphalt road surfaces similar to those on the old crossing, which also got brine every 48 hours in winter.


He said six patrols checked the bridge overnight and didn't find any signs of ice accumulations as of 5 a.m.


He said the situation Thursday "was likely a combination of the weather and the fog. When the humidity is high, it can lead to rapid ice accumulation," he said. "The other factor was the speed of traffic. Drivers were travelling at considering higher rates of speed."


In the past, he said, drivers would have being going much slower because the old bridge was routinely congested.


Last month, shortly after the new bridge opened, several vehicles were damaged when ice fell from the bridge structure.


One person was hit on the head by ice that fell off the bridge's cable supports and through her roof.


Patrick Smith, a political scientist at Simon Fraser University, said there are always problems with new mega projects.


"The test will be if we have three more snow events between now and Easter and we have similar problems," he said.


"The test will be we'd better not see this again."

http://www.vancouversun.com/Daily+icing+ordered+Port+Mann+Bridge+prevent+repeat+traffic+mayhem+with+video/7770267/story.html#ixzz2GxmBQwZd
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 05:58 PM

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:00 PM

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:03 PM

Down-shift/lay off the brakes would also help considerably.

But of course, we can't expect people to drive properly though. I wasn't on the deck so I really have no idea of the deck conditions, but I find it hard to believe the bridge just instantly turning into a big ice sheet. People need to not follow so close and for the love of god figure out a better way of slowing your speed other than hammering on your brakes.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:04 PM

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:19 PM

Is this their first time building a bridge? Ice bombs are at best forgiveable, but not de-icing in subzero temperature (before wind chill is simply deserving of a :picard: ...
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:32 PM

Do other bridges also need de-icing? How much of this is the builders or is this maintenance ?
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:41 PM

Do other bridges also need de-icing? How much of this is the builders or is this maintenance ?

This sounds like a maintenance issue.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:41 PM

I sense a reality show in the future "Bridge to Hell" maybe "A bridge too far" or "Deadliest Bridges."
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:43 PM

Do other bridges also need de-icing? How much of this is the builders or is this maintenance ?


Totally a maintenance issue. Why they didn't de-ice the bridge is mind boggling. They de-ice other sections of the freeway, not sure why they would skip the bridge.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:44 PM

I sense a reality show in the future "Bridge to Hell" maybe "A bridge too far" or "Deadliest Bridges."

A Bridge for Three Seasons?
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:46 PM

Totally a maintenance issue. Why they didn't de-ice the bridge is mind boggling. They de-ice other sections of the freeway, not sure why they would skip the bridge.

They did de-ice... on Wednesday.


TiCorp spokesman Max Logan said that the company contracted to perform bridge maintenance — Mainroad — had applied brine solution to the bridge deck at 4 a.m. on Wednesday with the expectation it would last 48 hours. Patrols between 10 p.m. Wednesday and 5 a.m. Thursday did not reveal any ice buildup, which apparently occurred between 6 a.m. and 7 a.m.


Logan said the contractor would now be required to de-ice the bridge every 24 hours at minimum to avoid a recurrence.


“We have asked them to review what happened and why ice accumulated,” Logan added.

Read more: http://www.theprovin...l#ixzz2Gy12Pcb2
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:51 PM

A Bridge for Three Seasons?


I like it.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 07:04 PM

Blaming the drivers.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 07:10 PM

I drove over the bridge early this morning before the accidents, and yeah, it was slippery but I slowed down and gave myself space.

Maybe idiots shouldn't try flying over the bridge while tailgating during winter. This isn't the bridge fault, it's dumbass drivers doing dumbass driving.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 07:36 PM

This time I am blaming the drivers

I heard 3 separate interviews and all 3 people had no problems crossing the bridge at a reasonable speed for the conditions even 1 guy went on to say he was traveling about 80 to 85 kph in the left lane and people in the HOV were passing him at a speed which he estimated at 100 or 105 kph

I am not defending the maintenance crew as they should of been out there throughout the night if they knew the fog was coming in and the below 0 temperatures but the drivers need to use some common sense when conditions are sub par

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:15 PM

I'm blaming the drivers. But I do wonder about shoddy maintenance of our highways as well.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:54 PM

Time to change the name from the Port Mann to The Bungling Bridge
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:56 PM

I drove over the bridge early this morning before the accidents, and yeah, it was slippery but I slowed down and gave myself space.

Maybe idiots shouldn't try flying over the bridge while tailgating during winter. This isn't the bridge fault, it's dumbass drivers doing dumbass driving.


The person quoted in the article had no problems either. If you drive according to the conditions, you should be okay. It sounds like people just decided to barrel across the bridge at 110 km/h and got into trouble.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:13 PM

Time to change the name from the Port Mann to The Bungling Bridge


In this case we should be changing the name of commuters to bungling drivers.

If people had proper tires and drove to the conditions it shouldn't matter if the road was literally a sheet of ice.

There we warnings of black ice and people still roared through over the speed limit on summer tires. No surprise it ended in colisions.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:15 PM

They did de-ice... on Wednesday.




TiCorp spokesman Max Logan said that the company contracted to perform bridge maintenance — Mainroad — had applied brine solution to the bridge deck at 4 a.m. on Wednesday with the expectation it would last 48 hours. Patrols between 10 p.m. Wednesday and 5 a.m. Thursday did not reveal any ice buildup, which apparently occurred between 6 a.m. and 7 a.m.



Logan said the contractor would now be required to de-ice the bridge every 24 hours at minimum to avoid a recurrence.



“We have asked them to review what happened and why ice accumulated,” Logan added.

Read more: http://www.theprovin...l#ixzz2Gy12Pcb2


Yep. Live and learn. Apparently they need to de-ice more. Looks like they will as well.

But that's no excuse for the drivers. They should have expected winter conditions. It's winter. Ice is a winter condition.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:17 PM

A Bridge for Three Seasons?


Not sure Vancouver drivers can handle the conditions in any season.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:40 PM

Looking forward to a reduction is speed limit combined with photo radar.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:45 PM

Looking forward to a reduction is speed limit combined with photo radar.


Meh.

Just do the increased de-icing and put up a "bridge ices" sign.

Like any new facility there's always a few hicups to deal with when it first opens. This is no different.

Even the most ideal road with every safetey feature you can imagine will have a higher than normal accident rate after it first opens. It's actually quite tragic how little attention drivers pay to road conditions.

You can make something idiotproof and someone will just come up with a better idiot.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:45 PM

Yep. Live and learn. Apparently they need to de-ice more. Looks like they will as well.

But that's no excuse for the drivers. They should have expected winter conditions. It's winter. Ice is a winter condition.


Yeah live and learn doesn't cut it. This is Canada in the winter. Yeah, Vancouver is relatively mild, but give me a break. If you haven't learned that yet and you're running the highway system maintenance, you deserve to be fired because you clearly suck at your job.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:56 PM

Yeah live and learn doesn't cut it. This is Canada in the winter. Yeah, Vancouver is relatively mild, but give me a break. If you haven't learned that yet and you're running the highway system maintenance, you deserve to be fired because you clearly suck at your job.


How about a few years back when we had a good dumping of snow and the City of Vancouver had something stupid like 400k (I believe) budgeted for snow removal and salting, but blew the budget in the first few days.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 08:34 PM

Learn how to drive, rather than blaming the bridge.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:03 PM

How about a few years back when we had a good dumping of snow and the City of Vancouver had something stupid like 400k (I believe) budgeted for snow removal and salting, but blew the budget in the first few days.


9/10 years 400k is plenty for snow removal in Vancouver.

What, should they budget $4M every year for it, so when the big dump happens once per decade they are ready for it?
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:14 PM

9/10 years 400k is plenty for snow removal in Vancouver.

What, should they budget $4M every year for it, so when the big dump happens once per decade they are ready for it?


Yeah this is one of these stupid political lose-lose. Put too much money into snow removal? You're wasting tax payer money. Don't have enough snow removal equipment when a rare event occurs? You're incompetent.

Dumb.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:23 PM

First it was ice bombs... and now Ice Follies with 40 vehicles involved in accidents during the morning rush hour as the bridge deck turned into an ice rink.


The company that runs the new Port Mann Bridge has ordered daily de-icing to prevent a repeat of the mayhem that was Thursday morning's rush hour, when 40 vehicles were involved in collisions.


Max Logan, spokesman for Transportation Investment Corp., apologized to drivers Thursday and said the B.C. Crown corporation is "redoubling its efforts" to ensure the bridge is safe for winter driving.


Mainroad Lower Mainland Contracting, which does the winter maintenance, will apply a saltwater solution at least once a day as well as salt crystals when needed, Logan said.


The brine had last been applied to the bridge deck at 4 a.m. on Wednesday and was expected to be effective for 48 hours. But just 26 hours later — and despite Mainroad checking road and air temperature on the bridge several times between 10 p.m. and 5 a.m. to measure the potential for icing — the driving surface suddenly turned icy.


The ice, poor visibility in fog and speed were blamed for the crashes.


Surrey deputy fire chief Karen Fry said the bridge was "a mess" and it was even difficult to get tow trucks onto the bridge to remove damaged vehicles. Paramedics gave first aid to several people and one person was taken to hospital with minor injuries. TransLink temporarily rerouted the No. 555 express bus to Surrey City Centre.


"Despite [Mainroad's] efforts, the concentration of saltwater brine solution was not sufficient," Logan said. "It's a disappointing morning for sure.


"Drivers are expecting to have a reliable free-flowing commute. . . . Obviously we ask them to be mindful of winter conditions, but there absolutely cannot be a repeat of this. With more salting and application of the brine we don't expect these conditions to occur again."


Drivers described the bridge as a sheet of ice.


Langley resident Greg Sadowski said he wasn't surprised that traffic was spinning out of control on ice, noting that "it's crazy" coming down the hill on the Surrey side of the bridge even when the road is dry.


"I knew if they didn't come out with the ice team it was going to be a gong show and it certainly was," he said.


Amanda Thomas, who left her Fraser Heights home at 5:30 a.m. Thursday and headed west across the bridge, said it didn't seem slippery, but she drove slower than usual, under the speed limit, because it was hard to see. She got halfway across the bridge when she noticed a row of red tail lights, and stopped her car. "I figured there must be an accident up ahead, probably because of the fog," Thomas said.


Seconds later, she heard a horn blaring. Looking in her rear-view mirror, she saw an SUV barrelling down the HOV lane beside her. "The car ahead had nowhere to go. The SUV swerved to the left, trying to get around the car and not hit him directly from behind," Thomas said. "He hit the (concrete) barriers, then the car, which hit another car and so on."

Stunned, Thomas looked in her mirror again and saw an SUV coming up behind her. She inched her car forward and to the right. The SUV missed her Honda Civic but struck cars in front of her.


"I told my friend I felt like I was in the middle of an action movie," she said. "They were going really fast. My opinion is they were driving like they usually drive to work, even though it was foggy."


RCMP Sgt. Peter Thiessen said the situation was compounded by similar icy conditions near 264th Avenue in Langley. He wasn't aware of similar problems on other major Metro Vancouver bridges.


Logan said it is up to Mainroad to determine when brine or crystals are applied, but both TI Corp. and Mainroad are reviewing their policies. Brine is typically used for prevention, he said, while crystal salt is applied once its starts to snow or to prevent black ice.


"The contract essentially says they are responsible to make sure ice does not build up on the highway," he said. "It's not prescriptive, it's focused on what the expectation is. They did not meet the expectation."


Mainroad spokeswoman Niki Taylor said the company had been instructed by the B.C. ministry of transportation not to speak with the media. The provincial government did not return calls.


Logan said the new bridge has asphalt road surfaces similar to those on the old crossing, which also got brine every 48 hours in winter.


He said six patrols checked the bridge overnight and didn't find any signs of ice accumulations as of 5 a.m.


He said the situation Thursday "was likely a combination of the weather and the fog. When the humidity is high, it can lead to rapid ice accumulation," he said. "The other factor was the speed of traffic. Drivers were travelling at considering higher rates of speed."


In the past, he said, drivers would have being going much slower because the old bridge was routinely congested.


Last month, shortly after the new bridge opened, several vehicles were damaged when ice fell from the bridge structure.


One person was hit on the head by ice that fell off the bridge's cable supports and through her roof.


Patrick Smith, a political scientist at Simon Fraser University, said there are always problems with new mega projects.


"The test will be if we have three more snow events between now and Easter and we have similar problems," he said.


"The test will be we'd better not see this again."

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What a garbage bridge. The funny thing is people pay for crossing it. Hopefully they just leave the Patullo bridge alone and don't make another bad bridge.
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