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#1 MLT

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:04 PM

... Not in a good way.

He has clearly lost a step and is not the back checker he used to be. This is not a quick 1 game reaction either. He was less than impressive last season. In order for him to be effective in the NHL at this point in his career he needs to be a force in the defensive zone. This is just not happening.

He has obviously lost his game since the eye injury. I was a hug Manny fan, and i hope he can prove me wrong and turn his game around in the next couple of weeks. If not, we need to find a more effective 4th line penalty killing center. I miss the 3rd line, pre-injury Manny SO BAD.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:07 PM

He plays with pylons whose priorities are to hit.

He plays in the defensive zone about 90% of the time. The majority of his shifts entail winning the faceoff and then not letting in a goal.

The 10-11 Canucks had Torres and Hansen on Malhotra's line, did he not? Now he has Weise and Volpatti. There are reasons behind some things you know.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:07 PM

He never hits, loses battles, turns the puck over non stop and can't put up any points.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:08 PM

The 10-11 Canucks had Torres and Hansen on Malhotra's line, did he not? Now he has Weise and Volpatti. There are reasons behind some things you know.


Both better players than he is, they are the ones playing with a plug, not the other way around.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:09 PM

He plays with pylons whose priorities are to hit.

He plays in the defensive zone about 90% of the time. The majority of his shifts entail winning the faceoff and then not letting in a goal.

The 10-11 Canucks had Torres and Hansen on Malhotra's line, did he not? Now he has Weise and Volpatti. There are reasons behind some things you know.



Agree with previous poster about losing battles, turning puck over etc. and if he only plays in the defensive zone and takes those faces he needs to be VERY effective in that role, or there is not point in putting him out there. Right now he is not.

Also, Weise and Volpatti were 2 of our better players last night. Both had a jump in their step and were making good decisions.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:09 PM

While making 2.5 million on the 4th line....as much as I am sorry for his injury and him being a good guy, it's time to waive him/give him a job in the organization.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:10 PM

While making 2.5 million on the 4th line....as much as I am sorry for his injury and him being a good guy, it's time to waive him/give him a job in the organization.


Absolutely, he would be great in an advisory/assistant coaching role.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:11 PM

He never hits, loses battles, turns the puck over non stop and can't put up any points.


From what i saw, most of that described the majority last night. nobody could win a puck battle to save their life. made the ducks all look like supermen.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:12 PM

Both better players than he is, they are the ones playing with a plug, not the other way around.


Are you suggesting Weise and Volpatti are better than Malhotra or Torres and Hansen are?

I assume it's the latter because nobody can be that out to lunch.
Sure, Hansen and Torres has more offensive upside. But they aren't outright better than Malhotra as a player, Torres especially.

He had 7 goals and 18 points in 11-12 with a +- of -11. That shows that all he did was play to defend. The fact that he even scored 7 goals is impressive.

Agree with previous poster about losing battles, turning puck over etc. and if he only plays in the defensive zone and takes those faces he needs to be VERY effective in that role, or there is not point in putting him out there. Right now he is not.

Also, Weise and Volpatti were 2 of our better players last night. Both had a jump in their step and were making good decisions.


1. Form

2. It's not hard to hit people. At least in comparison to playing a defensive role where nobody is defending right.

Besides, both Weise and Volpatti looked average. Them being the better players just means everyone else is just struggling.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:12 PM

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1 game.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:13 PM

He plays with pylons whose priorities are to hit.

He plays in the defensive zone about 90% of the time. The majority of his shifts entail winning the faceoff and then not letting in a goal.

The 10-11 Canucks had Torres and Hansen on Malhotra's line, did he not? Now he has Weise and Volpatti. There are reasons behind some things you know.


He plays with pylons eh? well those pylons were out best players last night and they had no center to play with.

More excuses for Manny '2.5m faceoff specialist' Malhotra.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:15 PM

Unfortunately for Manny this is his last season in Vancouver and arguably in the NHL. After that eye injury, on top of the inevitable aging process, has really hindered his game. Also, take into consideration that he has only one point in his last 30 playoff games -- there isn't much of a market for a 4th line center who contributes nothing offensively.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:17 PM

I'd like to see him switched with Lapierre. I think Lapierre is a better 4th line player and Hansen's speed can help out Malhotra. Hopefully he turns it around; I have nothing but respect for Manny.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:17 PM

Are you suggesting Weise and Volpatti are better than Malhotra or Torres and Hansen are?

I assume it's the latter because nobody can be that out to lunch.
Sure, Hansen and Torres has more offensive upside. But they aren't outright better than Malhotra as a player, Torres especially.

He had 7 goals and 18 points in 11-12 with a +- of -11. That shows that all he did was play to defend. The fact that he even scored 7 goals is impressive.


Half of his 7 goals last season were empty nets and the highlight of his 7 goals was the diving tip in goal.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:17 PM

Are you suggesting Weise and Volpatti are better than Malhotra or Torres and Hansen are?

I assume it's the latter because nobody can be that out to lunch.
Sure, Hansen and Torres has more offensive upside. But they aren't outright better than Malhotra as a player, Torres especially.

He had 7 goals and 18 points in 11-12 with a +- of -11. That shows that all he did was play to defend. The fact that he even scored 7 goals is impressive.


Better than Malhotra. They also show signs of improving, especially Weise, where as Manny seems to get worse. He was bad last year, terrible in the playoffs. He dragged them down last night.

Weise had the same brutal zone starts/ice time as Manny last year, and looked way better.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:19 PM

I'd rather have Torres at 1.7m over Malhotra. one of MG's mistakes is ruining the line of Torres - Lappiere - Hansen

that was the best checking line we had.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:20 PM

Better than Malhotra. They also show signs of getting better, especially Weise, where as Manny seems to get worse. He was bad last year, terrible in the playoffs.

Weise had the same brutal zone starts/ice time as Manny last year, and looked way better.


Malhotra isn't a good 4th line player given the role our 4th line is expected to play. If he was switchted with Lapierre, our 4th line could play a more regular shift providing energy, and Malhotra can play with a player he has chemistry with already (Hansen).
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:20 PM

:picard:

1 game.



Clearly you don't read threads before you made 2 word + emoticon responses. You deserve the only :picard: in this thread.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:21 PM

He plays with pylons eh? well those pylons were out best players last night and they had no center to play with.

More excuses for Manny '2.5m faceoff specialist' Malhotra.


Person 1 has to prevent the team from conceding goals. The whole team is not defending.

Person 2 has to hit. And must skate with "energy".

Person 1 plays with person 2, who does not care about person 1's roles.

Person 2 is not defensively strong. In fact, he is not strong in any category except to hit people.


Person 1 is blamed because his line does not defend. CDC people compare this line to the 3rd line from 2011. The linemates from that 3rd line could hit but were also defensively reliable.

Conclusion: CDC thinks the ability of an individual to carry out his role on a line has nothing to do with that of his linemates.

CDC is silly.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:30 PM

I am a hug Manny fan too!

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:33 PM

Person 1 has to prevent the team from conceding goals. The whole team is not defending.

Person 2 has to hit. And must skate with "energy".

Person 1 plays with person 2, who does not care about person 1's roles.

Person 2 is not defensively strong. In fact, he is not strong in any category except to hit people.


Person 1 is blamed because his line does not defend. CDC people compare this line to the 3rd line from 2011. The linemates from that 3rd line could hit but were also defensively reliable.

Conclusion: CDC thinks the ability of an individual to carry out his role on a line has nothing to do with that of his linemates.

CDC is silly.


You're either blind or just wont accept the truth. Malhotra is an anchor on any line he plays on.

the guy cannot play 5 on 5, its pathetic watching him in the offensive zone fumble the puck and lose every single battle along the boards.

He has hands of stone, absolutely no hockey vsion (something centers need) and handles the puck like a granade.

You seem to think fans are getting on him for 1 game when in fact this has been going on all season last year.

PLEASE find me a player that makes 2.5m on the 4th line on a contending team that is as one dimensional as Malhotra is.

Face it, the only reason Malhotra still has a spot on the team is because of guilt. The team would look unclassy if they waive him.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:34 PM

After that injury he's just not the same, I think he needs to play on a weaker team, but let's see how he does tonight..

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:39 PM

Did you notice AV's subtle move with Manny on the PK?

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:52 PM

Lord of Brussels is right.

Malhotra went 9/15 in the faceoff circle last night. He understands what a shut down role involves, his linemates last night didn't have a clue.

Weise faced the weakest quality of competition of any Canuck last year, for good reason.

Weise had several opportunities last night to find Volpatti, who was open for a scoring chance in the offensive zone, but was absolutely oblivious - and determined to carry the puck and shoot himself. That is not his role, and evidently he spent too much time being the go to guy in the Dutch league.

Weise and Volpatti scarcely backchecked and were vacant in their defensive zone coverage - in other words, played some awful defensive hockey last night - made a few nice hits on the forecheck and one by Weise in retaliation, but overall, they were unimpressive. Evidently all it takes is a good hit or two to be considered a solid hockey player around here, but they'll have to play a hell of a lot better to keep their spots when the roster isn't so thin.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:56 PM

You're either blind or just wont accept the truth. Malhotra is an anchor on any line he plays on.

the guy cannot play 5 on 5, its pathetic watching him in the offensive zone fumble the puck and lose every single battle along the boards.

He has hands of stone, absolutely no hockey vsion (something centers need) and handles the puck like a granade.

You seem to think fans are getting on him for 1 game when in fact this has been going on all season last year.

PLEASE find me a player that makes 2.5m on the 4th line on a contending team that is as one dimensional as Malhotra is.

Face it, the only reason Malhotra still has a spot on the team is because of guilt. The team would look unclassy if they waive him.


What are you talking about? I used the stats he posted last year to show that he's playing satisfactory for his role. If anything, you just remember his line not scoring goals every other game like they used to in 10-11 so suddenly he is "one-dimensional".

I'll acquiesce to your request if you can prove that Malhotra is one-dimensional. For a guy with no hockey sense and hands of stone, he didn't do so bad putting up 18 points despite taking the vast majority of the defensive faceoffs and ultimately spending his shifts in his own end. 2 of his 7 goals were game winners too, so it shows he can step it up when he is needed. He can play wing, can play a dump and chase game or play on the rush, he was the clear nominee for the Bill Masterton award in 11-12. That's the season where he supposedly sucked, is it not?

Wow, if you can put up 18 points on a 4th line while playing every game in your own zone after getting your eye poked out and be called one dimensional, what the ???? does it take to be 2-way? You might as well call the Sedins "one-dimensional" since they're weak defensively. Is Luongo one-dimensional because all he does is stop pucks? No, because that's his role. Well, Malhotra's role is to be defense first, so calling him one-dimensional is a bit backwards.

You think the Canucks are a charity house? Don't you remember how we dumped Ohlund, Mitchell, Torres? At the end of the day the Canucks are still a money-making organization. Maybe Manny's past contribution earned him some leeway, but AV thinks he is still a valuable asset to the club, and he will leave when the management decides he is useless. You know, the people whose opinions matter in these cases.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:58 PM

I thought for a first game he played well... let's wait a few games before the masses panic.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 07:00 PM

I would just like to point out that Manny was 60% in face-offs last night, the best on both teams. He also got 2 hits and 1 take away while being -1 in a 7-3 loss. He also played 35 seconds on the pk the same as Lapierre and Ebbett combined. What more do you want from him?

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 07:06 PM

From what i saw, most of that described the majority last night. nobody could win a puck battle to save their life. made the ducks all look like supermen.


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