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#61 NuckNuckNucks

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:55 PM

"Why does no one ever blame Schneiderman?"

Give it a few more games. Bandwagoneers are predictable here in Vancouver.
You have to be a true bandwagoneer if you buy Mike's line about looking for the right deal to trade Luongo.

True fans and hockey diehards know, that is double talk for, "Luongo is a high ticket commodity now or next year, we'll keep him around just in case Schneider turns out to be a lemon and chokes games."

And choke he will.

I know this. I'm never wrong.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:56 PM

Schneider wasn't the issue, as Luongo was never the issue before, just stupid fans who jump the gun and pin the blame where it is easiest without considering what actually happened.

Don't worry if Schneider has a bad game there will be people blaming him (mostly Luongo lovers who can't accept he is on his way out but still)


In a sense, doesn't this make the coaching staff and GM MG stupid as well because they also blame Lu? Or do you think that they are now looking at this and realizing what the actual problem is (our D) and possibly even contemplating trading Schneids instead? Hmmm, interesting. :frantic:


Edit: also, Edler was clearly to blame for the second goal, and I know that people are blaming Garrison solely for the first goal, but correct me if I'm wrong that Edler pushed their guy into Schneider which prevented him from being in position for the first goal? First two goals were Edler's fault IMO.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 03:35 PM

In a sense, doesn't this make the coaching staff and GM MG stupid as well because they also blame Lu? Or do you think that they are now looking at this and realizing what the actual problem is (our D) and possibly even contemplating trading Schneids instead? Hmmm, interesting. :frantic:


Edit: also, Edler was clearly to blame for the second goal, and I know that people are blaming Garrison solely for the first goal, but correct me if I'm wrong that Edler pushed their guy into Schneider which prevented him from being in position for the first goal? First two goals were Edler's fault IMO.


Um... I think so, I guess you could put it like that.

And I don't think us choosing Schneider over Lu is saying that we thought Lu was the problem, just that Schneider has emerged as this good and is a better option moving forward. Nothing against Lu's play.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 04:02 PM

Both goalies are great goalies and both will have their off-nights. It is true however that when Lou has an off night people bash him like crazy but when Cory has an off night he is given a pass. However I can guarantee that will change in time when the people defending him will be the same people who turn on him here.

Personally I have no preference for either goalie because both are capable of shutting it down. The only reason I prefer we keep Cory and trade Lou is because of age. Ability-wise I'd actually say Lou is better right now but potentially Cory could be just as good. People keep talking about Loungo's mental state being worse than Cory but I don't remember Cory ever taking us to the cup finals as a starter. In fact I don't remember Cory ever winning a playoff series for us so how can people be so sure that he is stronger mentally. A regular season game against a good opponent doesn't count as a high pressure game in my books.

Last night Cory didn't play bad but he didn't play spectacular either. He didn't lose the game for us but he didn't win it for us either. He was certainly not to blame for the loss.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 04:47 PM

Our D looked really bad and our forwards lack and were terrible at getting anything going regardless of all those posts.... so it makes it kinda hard to blame Schneider for the loss...
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 04:47 PM

He would have needed to get a shutout to win that game for us. We scored one goal...that's not good enough no matter who your goalie is or what you expect of him.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 04:48 PM

"Why does no one ever blame Schneiderman?"

Give it a few more games. Bandwagoneers are predictable here in Vancouver.


Funny but is it true. My sentiments exactly.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 04:49 PM

The better question is why is it always the goaltender who gets blamed?

It takes a full team to win in hockey including coaches, so that's 25+ people who are responsible for winning or losing. I don't get why it all gets put on the shoulders of one guy.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 05:21 PM

Cory is a beast i thought why the change of heart now??? why oh WHY OH WHY lol wish cdc had a kid detector

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:29 PM

"Why does no one ever blame Schneiderman?"

Give it a few more games. Bandwagoneers are predictable here in Vancouver.


Your the bandwagoneer, you only show yor face when you feel you have a reason to rag on Cory. Go back to your cave with your dam ring and stay there.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:30 PM

People complain about people NOT complaining?
This is new.


I would like to complain about that.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:33 PM

it is tru we need kovalev n jovanovski i tell u i kno this they want play vancover an they perfomr in playoff i kno thing like this i am frend with mark gillis he tel me thing


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:58 PM

Rest assured they will. In fact they already have. It's just not quite as vocal as Luongo's criticism at this point due to lack of exposure.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:47 PM

blame is a lazy man's wages

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:47 PM

That is simply not true. In some cases of course but he has certainly had some questionable positioning. I know you dislike Luongo but you also need to be objective. It's fine; Schneider is young and he has and will screw up. He said himself he needed to work on his mechanics after the first game so I will take his word for it. Last night he also didn't look too hot. I wouldn't blame it on him but a guy with good mechanics and positioning doesn't let that second goal in so easily or almost have one scored on him because he wasn't paying attention like what happened the other night.

I absolutely agree with your last statement however. I wish more people would do that. Having said that I also know that when the team has played poorly in front of Luongo you have not skipped a beat in telling everyone what Luongo did wrong. Hardly seems very objective.

Here comes the I'm a goalie coach and you don't know anything about hockey. (hope I'm wrong but it's your M.O.)

The second goal he got a big piece of, scored from the slot on a giveaway....unlucky not to have stopped it..but definietly not due to poor positioning. As i said..for me its more about how and why. Canucks are in big triouble, regardless of who is net if they continue to give up those high quality scoring chances.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:19 PM

100% true. if luongo was in net...there would be millions of trade/hate threads..its the cdc
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:22 PM

I can guarantee you that if it was Luongo today, there will be hundreds of threads asking for him to be traded and how much he sucks as a goalie.

The invincible Schneiderman wasn't so invincible after all. I hope this game finally puts to rest how "superior" Schneider is to Luongo and that Luongo should be Booed and kicked out of Vancouver.


Why does everyone blame the goalie when something isn't right. Schneider nor Luongo can't play jesus every game when our defense plays worst than a triple A midget team. Seriously, there is this disease in Vancouver where goalies get all the blame automatically when there is a loss. So far, aside from the first game, our goalies have played well. Blame Bieksa, Hamhuis, Garrison and Edler for playing like crap on defense.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:28 PM

He would have needed to get a shutout to win that game for us. We scored one goal...that's not good enough no matter who your goalie is or what you expect of him.


If it wasn't for him and Luongo, we would've started the season 0-5-0. We have been outplayed in all our games, even in Anaheim during 5-on-5 plays. Until the defense sorts itself out and we get our 2nd line back, we will struggle. Schneider played like jesus when we won against Anaheim, otherwise it would've been a loss.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:28 PM

People complain about people NOT complaining?
This is new.


Its not that new unfortunately. These pointless threads should be banned.

Why do we need more complaining?

But I garner that the OP was actually a LuongoLover/SchneiderHater, because some fans just can't wrap their heads around cheering for both...and he is just mad that not as many people are blaming Cory yet as much as he feels Lu has been. Such a self-defeating attitude IMO.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:37 AM

The second goal he got a big piece of, scored from the slot on a giveaway....unlucky not to have stopped it..but definietly not due to poor positioning. As i said..for me its more about how and why. Canucks are in big triouble, regardless of who is net if they continue to give up those high quality scoring chances.

We can agree to disagree on the first part but I couldn't agree more about the rest. So far for me though the difference this season has been how each goalie has handled those high quality chances. I do agree with you that we need to look at the why and how more often but we also need to take into account that high quality shots will happen.

I'm not saying Schneids has been awful or anything of the sort but in 4 games he's looked garbage in a home opener (which imo is excusable), he's looked great in 2 game he only had to be good for and mediocre in a game he needed to be great in. The team can't hang him out to dry as much as they have for sure but as a starter he also should to get them out of that from time to time.

Having said all that I'm sure as the season goes on and he calms down it will come but it's not there right now.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:31 AM

Goalie graveyard is diggin one up for the next one eh~! You know who digs those holes....The Defense lol

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:07 AM

Goalie graveyard is diggin one up for the next one eh~! You know who digs those holes....The Defense lol

One could argue the media digs the holes. The fans just fill the dirt over the casket.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:11 AM

Well, in all fairness, it took 5 years for the fans to turn on Lu. Let's give Cory the same timeframe, OK?




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