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Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:39 PM

Selective reading and misapprehension seems rampant in this thread, eh?

You would think it was about gun control. ::D


One would! :lol:
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:09 PM

If you think 30 days in jail is an acceptable punishment for a kid (just because shes 18, doesn't mean she's all grown up) being disrespectful then you should pass whatever it is you're smoking.

There are MANY different, more productive ways this point could have been, like as some have said, community service.

Oh wait, my mistake, I didn't realize several people here have forgotten what it's like being a kid themselves.

Carry on.
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Vig kill dral he never talks like this when he's not mafia.

 


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Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:13 PM

If you think 30 days in jail is an acceptable punishment for a kid (just because shes 18, doesn't mean she's all grown up) being disrespectful then you should pass whatever it is you're smoking.

There are MANY different, more productive ways this point could have been, like as some have said, community service.

Oh wait, my mistake, I didn't realize several people here have forgotten what it's like being a kid themselves.

Carry on.


I can tell you flat out that I would never have been in court in the first place let alone behaving as this one was. At 18 you can be damned sure I knew what sorts of behavior were acceptable in court (and anywhere) and what wasn't. I haven't forgotten what it was like to be a kid, my parents just raised me to be a polite and law abiding citizen. It would never have even crossed my mind to behave as this self-entitled obnoxious brat did.


I can't believe that some of you are actually making excuses for this brat. Or excusing her behavior. It's no wonder there are issues with some teenagers today.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:22 PM

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I can tell you flat out that I would never have been in court in the first place let alone behaving as this one was. At 18 you can be damned sure I knew what sorts of behavior were acceptable in court (and anywhere) and what wasn't. I haven't forgotten what it was like to be a kid, my parents just raised me to be a polite and law abiding citizen. It would never have even crossed my mind to behave as this self-entitled obnoxious brat did.


I can't believe that some of you are actually making excuses for this brat. Or excusing her behavior. It's no wonder there are issues with some teenagers today.


Lucky you - you actually had good parents who raised you right.

Unlucky you - they forgot to teach you that not everyone has that privilege.


And I wasn't excusing her behavior, I was saying the punishment does not fit the crime (EDIT: INSERT READING COMPREHENSION REMARK HERE). Perhaps you were a goody two shoes your entire life, but most of us weren't. Most of us have had rough patches growing up (adolescence anyone?). It really helps in learning how to be respectful when you have positive role models - when you don't have good role models, things like this happen.

This judge is trying to cure the symptom, not the disease.

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Lord Peaches' gut is telling him that the drunken fool, aka Dral, is 100% mafia.

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Dral is 100% mafia or I will masteb_ _ _ _ a cow and like it

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Vig kill dral he never talks like this when he's not mafia.

 


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Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:27 PM

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:28 PM

it has been my experience that there are a lot of dumb/ignorant people roaming around.

I thought you left the forums long ago WC, glad to see you here...haunting the...off topic forum? ;p
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:29 PM

Lucky you - you actually had good parents who raised you right.

Unlucky you - they forgot to teach you that not everyone has that privilege.


And I wasn't excusing her behavior, I was saying the punishment does not fit the crime (EDIT: INSERT READING COMPREHENSION REMARK HERE). Perhaps you were a goody two shoes your entire life, but most of us weren't. Most of us have had rough patches growing up (adolescence anyone?). It really helps in learning how to be respectful when you have positive role models - when you don't have good role models, things like this happen.

This judge is trying to cure the symptom, not the disease.

You may be overlooking that she is clearly a criminal, thus in the court system trying to get a bail amount set.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:35 PM

Lucky you - you actually had good parents who raised you right.

Unlucky you - they forgot to teach you that not everyone has that privilege.


And I wasn't excusing her behavior, I was saying the punishment does not fit the crime (EDIT: INSERT READING COMPREHENSION REMARK HERE). Perhaps you were a goody two shoes your entire life, but most of us weren't. Most of us have had rough patches growing up (adolescence anyone?). It really helps in learning how to be respectful when you have positive role models - when you don't have good role models, things like this happen.

This judge is trying to cure the symptom, not the disease.


Well, the judge has taken the first step toward teaching her something then, hasn't he? Now there is a positive role model for her. I suppose it's never too late to be taught something, right? He has made it abundantly clear to her that this sort of behavior is unacceptable in court and that one will be made responsible for their actions if she hasn't quite figured that out yet.

And my 'you' was a general 'you' and I said 'some of'...it is not my fault that you grouped yourself in amongst the rest. Reading comprehension, is it?

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:35 PM

You may be overlooking that she is clearly a criminal, thus in the court system trying to get a bail amount set.


She couldn't have been that big of a criminal if the judge originally set her bail at $5,000. Either way, its irrelevant what she did to get there in the first place as its obvious the extra $5,000 and 30 days in jail was for being flippant. My point is, $5k and 30 days is not a punishment that fits the crime - unless you enjoy living in a society whose prison system is failing/has failed.

Oh... wait...
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:39 PM

Well, the judge has taken the first step toward teaching her something then, hasn't he? Now there is a positive role model for her. I suppose it's never too late to be taught something, right? He has made it abundantly clear to her that this sort of behavior is unacceptable in court and that one will be made responsible for their actions if she hasn't quite figured that out yet.

And my 'you' was a general 'you' and I said 'some of'...it is not my fault that you grouped yourself in amongst the rest. Reading comprehension?


It's never too late to learn something, and he probably could be a positive role model, but I doubt he'll be effective. On the contrary, it's probably just as likely that she goes to jail and learns how to become a better criminal. Regardless, my original point still stands - the crime does not fit the punishment.

And if you quote me and reply to something I say, I generally think you're talking to me.
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Dral is 100% mafia or I will masteb_ _ _ _ a cow and like it

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Vig kill dral he never talks like this when he's not mafia.

 


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Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:43 PM

The original article I posted was short on details. Figured I'd toss in a few updates.

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MIAMI - A woman flipped off a Miami-Dade County Circuit Judge and got 30 days in jail in return.

Penelope Soto, 18, was arrested for illegal possession of Xanax.

Miami-Dade Police responded to Southwest 96th Street and 142nd Avenue after a call of a woman injured Sunday evening.


According to the arrest affidavit, Soto told police she had crashed her bike and was high on Xanax bars. She also said she had more Xanax in her purse.

Police said they found 26 Xanax bars in Soto's purse. She was then arrested.

When Soto faced Miami-Dade County Circuit Judge Jorge Rodriguez-Chomat on Monday morning, she got in even more trouble.
After dismissing her, Rodriguez-Chomat called Soto back to tell her he was issuing her a $10,000 bond. She walked away, muttered "F*** you," and flipped him off, video showed.

Rodriguez-Chomat responded by holding her in contempt of court and sentenced her to 30 days in jail.

Soto also referenced Rick Ross when discussing the value of her jewelry with the judge.

Soto is being held at the Turner Guilford Knight Correctional Center (TGK).

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If she was just being charged with possession she should consider herself lucky. How about being under the influence in public. Perhaps even destruction of whatever she crashed her bicycle into if anything?

With a prescription you'd usually get about 100 Xanax at time. So what is someone doing with 26 bars (blister packs) which usually contain 10/12 pills per bar. That's a total of approx 260+ pills.

Sounds to me like the Judge who is of Hispanic descent took offence to the flippant use of 'adios' regardless of the fact that Miss Soto is of Hispanic descent as well. He seemed to be putting up with her nonsense until that comment which seems to have drawn his ire.

In addition to that I suspect he was annoyed with her and he suspected she showed up in his court high as a kite. I too suspect she was high during her appearance. She was either incredibly nervous or she was high. I don't think she was nervous.

* Rick Ross whom Soto referenced is a flashy rapper who was the target of multiple gun shots on Monday in Fort Lauderdale, FL.


There is a link below to a better version of the court room video. It is of better quality and has an additional 1:35 or so which was cut off the end of the one I posted in the OP. It contains her response to the 30 day sentence which was "OK, that's fine"

http://www.local10.c...6z/-/index.html

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:25 PM

Punishment doesn't fit the crime at all. Seems like an abuse of power to me.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:39 PM

Punishment doesn't fit the crime at all. Seems like an abuse of power to me.

This is not a crime per se. It is under a judge's inherent jurisdiction to control his/her court and summarily deal with contempt in the face of the court (In Facie Contempt) - which these actions clearly appear to be. And judges have possessed this power for centuries in the Anglo-American legal system.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:46 PM

This is not a crime per se. It is under a judge's inherent jurisdiction to control his/her court and summarily deal with contempt in the face of the court (In Facie Contempt) - which these actions clearly appear to be. And judges have possessed this power for centuries in the Anglo-American legal system.


I think it's great! Brats like that who think they can do/say whatever they feel like need to be put in their place. Bet she thinks twice before acting out in front of a judge again. Sometimes hard lessons are the only way people learn, IMO.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:09 PM

This is not a crime per se. It is under a judge's inherent jurisdiction to control his/her court and summarily deal with contempt in the face of the court (In Facie Contempt) - which these actions clearly appear to be. And judges have possessed this power for centuries in the Anglo-American legal system.


You know "The punishment doesn't fit the crime" is a saying that is applied often to things that aren't actually crimes, right?

And you know just because someone has power doesn't necessarily justify them using it, right?

And you know that an appeal to tradition is a fallacy, right?

And you know these are mostly rhetorical questions, right?
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:16 PM

Just fyi, it is clearly stated in the video, the girl had no priors.

Extremely dumb move on her part, but it seemed like both sides acted immaturely on this one.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:23 PM

Both immature, one idiot, and one abusing power... nothing new.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:24 PM

You know "The punishment doesn't fit the crime" is a saying that is applied often to things that aren't actually crimes, right?

And you know just because someone has power doesn't necessarily justify them using it, right?

And you know that an appeal to tradition is a fallacy, right?

And you know these are mostly rhetorical questions, right?

I know many things.

Since we are dealing with what many posters are referring to as a crime, I provided accurate information as to what legal principles are involved.

I do know that judges deal with such outbursts by way of contempt proceedings and that the inherent power exists for such a purpose.

No an appeal to tradition is not always a fallacy and not when one is dealing with laws that have a historical background as here.

Rhetorical question? They appear to be silly uninformed observations poorly framed and executed.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:54 PM

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:01 AM

The punishment isn't excessive, it's a waste. Something is clearly wrong with a society that seeks imprisonment as punishment instead of ordering the accused into a useful venture while providing counselling or psychiatric care (especially for young adults involved in non-violent crimes). Yes the judge has the power to do what he wants in his courtroom but it hardly means that he has the ability to be uniformally objective when exercising his power, he is human after all.

I have to add that noone deserves respect simply because of a title or a uniform (a concept lost on those living in a fascistic society). History has shown that power more often than not, corrupts. Many people learned painful lessons as to why respect is earned no matter which institution demands it.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:26 AM

He just sent a girl to jail for thirty days for not respecting his authority. How can anyone not think he's a complete douchebag?

I think the girl is dumb as hell. She's a complete basket case. But locking someone away in a CAGE because they do not respect your authority makes you a complete douchebag.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:53 AM

So are we to pretend that her serving 30 days somehow benefits society? Makes us safer? Saves us money? What exactly does it accomplish? Why do you feel it's appropriate to up the fine for attitude?

More of the court's time was spent calling her back and "teaching her a lesson" than if the judge didn't care how kids wearing orange jumpsuits are behaving.

I agree with Zaibatsu here, a moronic justice system on display.


It might smarten her up, which would benefit society. If I were her parents I'd feel so proud right now; they sure did a good job. #rolling eyes
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:01 AM

He just sent a girl to jail for thirty days for not respecting his authority. How can anyone not think he's a complete douchebag?

I think the girl is dumb as hell. She's a complete basket case. But locking someone away in a CAGE because they do not respect your authority makes you a complete douchebag.

The courts and judges are prima facie entitled to respect and if it takes a criminal contempt citation and 30 days to teach Ms. Soto that basic civics lesson, so be it. Hopefully she does learn.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:13 AM

Selective reading and misapprehension seems rampant in this thread, eh?

You would think it was about gun control. ::D


Careful now, one wouldn't want to be accused of bullying.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:06 AM

If Florida women's prisons are anything like those in other high crime states, she was basically sentenced to being taken advantage of sexually or having to join a gang for protection and getting in a lot of further trouble.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:10 AM

If Florida women's prisons are anything like those in other high crime states, she was basically sentenced to being taken advantage of sexually or having to join a gang for protection and getting in a lot of further trouble.


Consequences of repeated bad behavior. Perhaps she should have kept her mouth shut and her finger-talking to herself?

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:13 AM

Some folks think they are immune to being held accountable for their actions .. the real world is NOT CDC, nor any other on-line community, where you can act like a punk and get "away with it" .. welcome to reality, Penelope .. :rolleyes:
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:16 AM

Some folks think they are immune to being held accountable for their actions .. the real world is NOT CDC, nor any other on-line community, where you can act like a punk and get "away with it" .. welcome to reality, Penelope .. :rolleyes:


Reality, indeed, T7!

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:22 AM

Reality, indeed, T7!

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:29 AM

Consequences of repeated bad behavior. Perhaps she should have kept her mouth shut and her finger-talking to herself?


Well, send her to clean up garbage or something for a couple of months, not somewhere where she's going to be exploited and ruined over a man in a gown throwing a hissy fit.
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