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#31 Nino

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:01 PM

err what what?

i am saying Luongo was the main reason why we can get to game 7 despite being outscore 1 to 3



Sorry, I have just never seen anyone use the amount of goals Lou surrendered in the Boston games as a defense for how well he played. Not going to pass judgement it's creative.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:02 PM

I'm sure most would agree that Luongo is playing some good hockey now. This is not surprising since he has consistently played well in the regular season since he joined the Canucks. He might of had slow starts (except for this year) but eventually got out of the funk and started playing well. Having said that, he has also had a history of playing horrible in the playoffs the past few seasons. I thought this was the reason Gillis decided it was time to move Luongo. So I'm really not sure where Gillis is going with this. Schneider might of had a couple of bad games but he is still playing 500 hockey (2-2) and had 1 shutout. He should be able to get us into the playoffs especially when Kesler/Booth get back in the lineup. Perhaps Gillis has just not got the offer he's looking for yet but that is no reason to sit out Schneider for so long. He is supposed to be our #1 goalie.


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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:04 PM

o noe, let's cherry pick certain amount of game that is in favor with your point of view and run with it~


I think the last 6 games of the Canucks playoffs in every year is not cherry picking but rather showing how he proformes under the pressure games, but to each his own.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:04 PM

Luongo has a history of losing multiple key games singlehandedly. Tough to go into a series not sure whether your goalie will play like an NHLer or a Pee wee.


the only playoff game that you can 100% blame on Luongo was game 6 the first series against Chicago where we lost 7-5 and got eliminated, 5 goals should be more than enough to win but he had his worst game in I think 9 years at the time.

we got torched in Boston but how many goals did we score, 3? so 1 goal a game? sorry but if you're forcing your goalie to pitch a shutout that often in the playoffs you aren't going to win very often, his 2 home shutouts were the only reason we were even in it.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:10 PM

Look at this if you like stats.

Lou's last six games in the playoffs by year.

2007-08 - Last 6 games: 4.59 GAA, 0.837 Sv%
2008-09 - Last 6 games: 3.31 GAA, 0.879 Sv%
2009-10 - Last 6 games: 3.52 GAA, 0.897 Sv%
2010-11 - Last 6 games: 4.12 GAA, 0.864 Sv%

Debunked? Myth? No and no.


and I can pick a sample size that could make Luongo look like a God in the playoffs. Why are you looking at a limited sample size. His career statistics for the playoffs are posted in the first comment of the thread. Your lack of understanding of the game (you and Noheart) continues to astonish me. Watch the Boston games (the ones you're saying he played extremely bad in), they're all on youtube, tell me what you see when you look at the D coverage. If you still think that it's ALL the goalie's fault then please take up another sport, hockey isn't your thing.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:10 PM

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I think the last 6 games of the Canucks playoffs in every year is not cherry picking but rather showing how he proformes under the pressure games, but to each his own.


you are picking the game where the canucks exit the playoff as "evidence" on how bad Luongo is. But you never look at how Luongo perform when the team wins.

This is call Cherry picking data. Somehow, you think those games the team won weren't important and are easy games, so the performance in those games are useless.

care to explain, face to face, how the hell did the team get to game 7 in the SCF series after being outscore ... let me calculate for you, 8:23

in case if you manage to overlook this again, i will make the numbers bigger for you.

8 to 23
the canucks had managed to get to game 7, and tied the series TWICE, despite being outscored THREE TIMES.

Please, tell me how did the team get to game 7 without Luongo?
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:12 PM

I think the last 6 games of the Canucks playoffs in every year is not cherry picking but rather showing how he proformes under the pressure games, but to each his own.


lol oh nino just keep talking its cute. You proved you lack a lot of hockey knowledge.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:14 PM

horrible?

he was the goalie we had 2 years ago who got to the stanley cup final game 7. He had 2 shutouts in the game final series and our team was once tied with Boston dispite being outscore like 4-12 or something like that.

and all the sudden Luongo is horrible in playoff and Schneider, a goalie who played a grant total of eight playoff game, is proven and will carry us into the playoff...

jesus christ who let these people register on Cdc?

Yup, CDC at it's most illogical. I like Scneids, and believe he is our future, but Luongo is a great goalie.
Anyone who does not think so doesn't actually know what a good goalie is. I would love to keep both. Do I think it will happen?, no. But we will and should miss Bobby Lou when he does go.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:13 PM

or simply the fact that AV overplayed our goalie to the point that he ain't able to perform at his absolute best?? Goalie probably have the most wear and tear throughout the season and on top of that we have the worse possible travelling schedule of any team in any sports. Luongo is not the reason we lost, he was only part of it.

as for nino's stats.. i don't even know where he's pulling number out of his ass from.. we didn't even make the playoff in 07-08 lol.. so far we made the playoff 5 times with luongo. and last year he played 2 games and so if he's referring to 06-07 - Last 6 games: 4.59 GAA, 0.837 Sv% then his first 4 games must be non human.. coz his GAA in 06-07 is 1.77 and it's not possible to achieve that number in 12 games played if his last 6 games is as you said 4.59... unless he have a negative goals against average lol... so i have no clue what you are talking about.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:21 PM

you are picking the game where the canucks exit the playoff as "evidence" on how bad Luongo is. But you never look at how Luongo perform when the team wins.

This is call Cherry picking data. Somehow, you think those games the team won weren't important and are easy games, so the performance in those games are useless.

care to explain, face to face, how the hell did the team get to game 7 in the SCF series after being outscore ... let me calculate for you, 8:23

in case if you manage to overlook this again, i will make the numbers bigger for you.

8 to 23
the canucks had managed to get to game 7, and tied the series TWICE, despite being outscored THREE TIMES.

Please, tell me how did the team get to game 7 without Luongo?

Agreed. We have not made it to game 7 since forever, and we did it with a team in need of surgery (including 3 injured top 4 D) and somehow our goalie played no part in that. Ludicrous.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:26 PM

errr, dude, after losing 8-1, 4-0, 5-2 and 4-0 in the final, and the team still managed to get to game 7??

and there, you are questioning the goalie's ability to perform in playoff, and those scores has nothing to do with how fack up our injuries were or how bad the reffing was?

have you ever wonder how the hell could the team get to game 7 with those kind of score? And somehow, somewhere on earth, there is a person, or multiple guy, think getting to game 7 with this kind of score has nothing to do with the ability of our goalie keeping the team in game for the last minute with his last breath.


exactly; if anything, the title of this thread should be "With scoring I thought it was not about the regular season"; to be the top scoring team in the regular season is one thing, but it's the skaters in front of him who stop getting it done, NOT Lu.

Look at this if you like stats.

Lou's last six games in the playoffs by year.

2007-08 - Last 6 games: 4.59 GAA, 0.837 Sv%
2008-09 - Last 6 games: 3.31 GAA, 0.879 Sv%
2009-10 - Last 6 games: 3.52 GAA, 0.897 Sv%
2010-11 - Last 6 games: 4.12 GAA, 0.864 Sv%

Debunked? Myth? No and no.


Last 6 games... would that not show that with another round of play the competition gets tougher?

So it's his fault if the team they meet in later rounds, having gone on a hot offensive streak in the playoffs, steamrolls their way through? That's not entirely representative of HIS failure, just that in later rounds the level of competition tends to go up (and goalie stats may go down, or the defense in front of him crumbles/ gets over-matched by superior competition). Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that he's done well either, but he's not the only one to blame. Again, BOTH teams want to score, and the opponent has done their damage. Where is the damage done by Canuck skaters on the other goal?
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:34 PM

Look at this if you like stats.

Lou's last six games in the playoffs by year.

2007-08 - Last 6 games: 4.59 GAA, 0.837 Sv%
2008-09 - Last 6 games: 3.31 GAA, 0.879 Sv%
2009-10 - Last 6 games: 3.52 GAA, 0.897 Sv%
2010-11 - Last 6 games: 4.12 GAA, 0.864 Sv%

Debunked? Myth? No and no.


:picard:

This isn't even accurate Nino! :frantic:

Edited by beer&meat, 05 February 2013 - 11:34 PM.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:35 PM

like i said he's pulling numbers out of his ass just to support his fantasy thoughts
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:41 PM

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Look at this if you like stats.

Lou's last six games in the playoffs by year.

2007-08 - Last 6 games: 4.59 GAA, 0.837 Sv%
2008-09 - Last 6 games: 3.31 GAA, 0.879 Sv%
2009-10 - Last 6 games: 3.52 GAA, 0.897 Sv%
2010-11 - Last 6 games: 4.12 GAA, 0.864 Sv%

Debunked? Myth? No and no.


:picard: We didn't even make the playoffs in 07-08...

None of those numbers are even right. Go away you unintelligent troll.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:50 PM

you are picking the game where the canucks exit the playoff as "evidence" on how bad Luongo is. But you never look at how Luongo perform when the team wins.

This is call Cherry picking data. Somehow, you think those games the team won weren't important and are easy games, so the performance in those games are useless.

care to explain, face to face, how the hell did the team get to game 7 in the SCF series after being outscore ... let me calculate for you, 8:23

in case if you manage to overlook this again, i will make the numbers bigger for you.

8 to 23
the canucks had managed to get to game 7, and tied the series TWICE, despite being outscored THREE TIMES.

Please, tell me how did the team get to game 7 without Luongo?


Actually the Canucks never trailed in the series, we had leads of 2-0 and 3-2 it was Boston that tied the series twice, but other than that i agree with you.

Look at the Lineup in games 6 and 7

D.Sedin H.Sedin(injured) Burr
Higgins Kesler(injured) Tambellini
Hansen Lappy Torres(only effective line)
Glass Manny Oreo

Most importantly look at our D

Edler Ehrhoff (both injured)
Bieksa Salo
Alberts Tanev
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:01 AM

True, but he got lit up for all the games in Boston


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:06 AM

He does play amazing playoff games. But his high save % gets bolstered by brilliant games mixed with horrible outings.
Isn't the point of having a great goalie to be someone to bail you out when the team can't score? Look at his save percentage in Boston and Chicago, or count how many last minute goals he has let in. He is a premier goalie,but has a history of not making the big save in big games. Can that be denied?


Sure it can be denied but you make a pretty good argument. Expanding on your argument how about the scoring droughts for the Sedins in the playoffs? How about Kesler too? These guys are premier players but have a history of not scoring the big goals in big games. Can that be denied?
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:09 AM

Oh nino. :bigblush:
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:11 AM

Have a great reg. season Lu but when we get to the SCP I'll take Cory!!
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:21 AM

:picard: We didn't even make the playoffs in 07-08...

None of those numbers are even right. Go away you unintelligent troll.


Your right, I pulled this from another user last week and didn't double check it after checking it I can see that's its wrong. I apologize for posting something I didn't double check.

I double checked the Boston series and his save % was .832 for the last six games (even lower) then the info I pulled from the other member. I will update the compleat post with information I can verify in the morrning.

I had no intention of trying to mislead anyone and i should have double checked but I'm betting the save % I calculate will not be pretty.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:32 AM

Oh nino. :bigblush:


Yep, that's exactly how I feel. It's a good lesson don't post info that you haven't double checked yourself.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:34 AM

Yep, that's exactly how I feel. It's a good lesson don't post info that you haven't double checked yourself.


**** happens I guess.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:40 AM

Your right, I pulled this from another user last week and didn't double check it after checking it I can see that's its wrong. I apologize for posting something I didn't double check.

I double checked the Boston series and his save % was .832 for the last six games (even lower) then the info I pulled from the other member. I will update the compleat post with information I can verify in the morrning.

I had no intention of trying to mislead anyone and i should have double checked but I'm betting the save % I calculate will not be pretty.


Fair enough. Good on you for owning it.

Edit: Sorry for the troll comment. I thought you were one of those posters who make up stuff in order to prove their point. If people wanna criticize Luongo on here fine, but it's important to use correct information to back it up.

Edited by DeNiro, 06 February 2013 - 12:44 AM.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:42 AM

Look at this if you like stats.

Lou's last six games in the playoffs by year.

2007-08 - Last 6 games: 4.59 GAA, 0.837 Sv%
2008-09 - Last 6 games: 3.31 GAA, 0.879 Sv%
2009-10 - Last 6 games: 3.52 GAA, 0.897 Sv%
2010-11 - Last 6 games: 4.12 GAA, 0.864 Sv%

Debunked? Myth? No and no.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:01 AM

It is about that!! Everybody's getting cold feet! We made a decision people! Stick to it. And now everyones going to be attacking Cory because his agent speaks his mind. Sensitive little b*tches.


Sounds like Cody Hodgson all over again, if that's the case, ship his a** to Columbus.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:10 AM

Everything is always Luongo's fault, that's why we're trying to trade him!








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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:15 AM

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Luongo has a history of losing multiple key games singlehandedly. Tough to go into a series not sure whether your goalie will play like an NHLer or a Pee wee.


Luongo has a history of winning multiple key games single handedly.

Chicago Game 7 - biggest game to date in franchise history, his team craps the bed in front of him, Hossa gets a breakaway, Canucks score 2 goals in over 60 minutes of play and Luongo has to make 30+ saves of high quality.

San Jose series - Luongo gets shelled, something like 54 shots against and he holds us to OT when we only score off a lucky bounce.

Boston series - Vancouver not only scores just 8 goals in 7 games, but lets up an unbelievable number of odd-man rushes against Lu. If we had any other goalie, this would have been a sweep. Instead, he posts a couple of 1-0 shutouts where our team deserved to be beaten 4 or 5-1 on both nights, and keeps us in a 3-2 OT game.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:57 AM

Luongo has a history of winning multiple key games single handedly.

Chicago Game 7 - biggest game to date in franchise history, his team craps the bed in front of him, Hossa gets a breakaway, Canucks score 2 goals in over 60 minutes of play and Luongo has to make 30+ saves of high quality.

San Jose series - Luongo gets shelled, something like 54 shots against and he holds us to OT when we only score off a lucky bounce.

Boston series - Vancouver not only scores just 8 goals in 7 games, but lets up an unbelievable number of odd-man rushes against Lu. If we had any other goalie, this would have been a sweep. Instead, he posts a couple of 1-0 shutouts where our team deserved to be beaten 4 or 5-1 on both nights, and keeps us in a 3-2 OT game.


also in nash series, he had better numbers than Rinne.

undefeated in 2010 olympics, won every gm he started, including 3 elimination games. maybe not single handedly winning them, but he didnt choke like Brodeur vs USA. Even when slovaks got close late, he closed the door. OT gold medal gm, closed the door.

World cup 2004 semifinal, OT, shut the czechs down

Plenty of track record in best on best games. meanwhile, cory has one win in cup playoffs, pulled a groin in another start and AHL final to show for. i think cory has potential to be a great goalie, but to say he is better is just not true. he played better than lui last yr, so he earned his starts. but when the pressure of being #1 is on, he crap the bed in gm 1. he did bounce back, but lui played even better. there's no controversy. legit franchise goalie is playing. cory has to steal the job back.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:00 AM

also in nash series, he had better numbers than Rinne.

undefeated in 2010 olympics, won every gm he started, including 3 elimination games. maybe not single handedly winning them, but he didnt choke like Brodeur vs USA. Even when slovaks got close late, he closed the door. OT gold medal gm, closed the door.

World cup 2004 semifinal, OT, shut the czechs down

Plenty of track record in best on best games. meanwhile, cory has one win in cup playoffs, pulled a groin in another start and AHL final to show for. i think cory has potential to be a great goalie, but to say he is better is just not true. he played better than lui last yr, so he earned his starts. but when the pressure of being #1 is on, he crap the bed in gm 1. he did bounce back, but lui played even better. there's no controversy. legit franchise goalie is playing. cory has to steal the job back.

Didn't shut the door for Canada or it wouldn't have reached ot.

Did u watch the Nashville series. We shut them down as a team and the only way they were scoring was from behind the net. Solid goals lol

Lu is a regular season Allstar and a playoff bum. Seen it way to many times. Trade him while he's hot so we can actually get something for him and end this talk
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:40 AM

He has a history of a .916 save percentage and 2.51gaa in the playoffs, this is a myth that has been debunked. He may not be the BEST playoff performer, but his numbers are still very good.


He has a history of being bipolar in the playoffs. He's shown more than once he can give his team every chance to win one game, only to turn around and give his team no chance to win the next game. Not a lot of in between with Lou.
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