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Posted 12 March 2013 - 11:45 PM

Ok so I'm a bit bored. And was watching highlights of the game and I noticed that during the shootout, Laurence Gilman (as in our Assistant GM) was on the bench watching. I'm pretty sure that's him because, as you can see in the pic below, I've accounted for all other suits i.e Alain Vigneault, Rick Bowness, and Newell Brown, on the bench.

I don't recall Gilman ever being on the bench during a shootout before. Perhaps speaks to the importance of us winning this one.

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He was probably gonna send the message that he's been fired on the spot if the Canucks lost lol.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 11:46 PM

Ok so I'm a bit bored. And was watching highlights of the game and I noticed that during the shootout, Laurence Gilman (as in our Assistant GM) was on the bench watching. I'm pretty sure that's him because, as you can see in the pic below, I've accounted for all other suits i.e Alain Vigneault, Rick Bowness, and Newell Brown, on the bench.

I don't recall Gilman ever being on the bench during a shootout before. Perhaps speaks to the importance of us winning this one.

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Maybe Gilman picked the shooters?! :bigblush:

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 11:48 PM

Luongo played very well and was surprisingly good in the shootout. However, this was only a 2-1 shootout win against Columbus. Personally I think this team is still a long way from being out of the woods and playing the way we're used to seeing from seasons past.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 11:49 PM

No one is claiming Lu didn't have a good game. Why try to troll up that drama if you pretend you hate it so much?


of coz someone will troll Lu didn't have a good game.. last time he had a shutout in nashville the usual troll say coz it's nashville he was average at best blah blah. so somewhere sooner or later you'll see a post saying oh it's only columbus they made him look good blah blah

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:11 AM

My post was on the third page, an I didn't say anything about either goalie, let alone Schneider, just that it's funny that trolls don't even come out if the goalie they don't like plays well. And none of them did, so it's hard to play with a fire that's not there. Although, considering how you've been saying I'm starting stuff, I guess not all of the sensitive Schneider fans stop posting. They just try to start random arguments from nothing.


Knock it off with the troll talk BS please. There are just as many "Luongo trolls" waiting to attack Schneider as there are "Schneider trolls" waiting to attack Luongo. Neither camp is holier than the other and not all of us supposed trolls go into hiding when their goalie of less preference plays well.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:22 AM

Did not watch the game... Glad they won! My favorite part of the game was reading all yal comments.... especially that of one "heysoulsister" found it awesome for those of you who did not clue in he was trolling... My fav. troll to date

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:23 AM

Alright say what you like.

Just because I defend Schneider against Lu fan boys, and don't act like Luongo's meltdowns have never happened make me a hater?

I have defended Luongo in the past aswell, I defend both and like both, that being said I think Cory is the best choice moving forward for both sides.

Just ask Riveria, I've gotten into a few debates with him in the past on Luongo before, me defending Lu.


This is true.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:24 AM

nvm

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:25 AM

Things I observed after tonight's game:

Luongo is the better goalie, and until the Canucks deal with their defense issues, he will steal more games for them. Schneider didn't expect the defense would take a turd every night in front of him.

Will Schneider still be here by trade deadline? I don't know who is gone at this point.

Raymond is playing twice his size and is making a case for playing with Kesler on the second line. His shootout win, which was legal due to the fact that his turn was part of a continuous motion, was brilliant.

Booth played leagues better than the last game. His hit on Calvert shifted the momentum, not to mention Calvert himself.

Henrik is continuing to stick up for himself and looks perfectly comfortable doing so. They played against Bobrovsky who was lights out excellent, just not as good as Luongo.

Garrison is slowly separating himself from the rest of the defense right now. He is an excellent stay at home defenseman with a frightening shot. Even during the replay I had trouble spotting the puck. No one on Columbus looked to eager to block it. He plays well positionally likes hitting.
Burrows needs to slow down around his own zone.

Bieksa is missed as are Kesler and Malholtra.

Edler was on the ice for the sole Columbus goal watching the puck. Edler to Winnipeg for Evander Kane. No? Maybe?

That was the best game I have seen out of the Canucks in a while. They looked hungry and driven. Bobrovsky was amazing tonight. And the team are surging, so I think this was a huge character building win for them. They fought the whole game and stayed focused.

The Canucks have been spoiled by a ridiculously weak conference for the past four years that they gorged upon. It made them lazy and complacent within two months of the playoffs. They would go into the playoffs not having been tested like other teams and they would be overwhelmed by the other teams compete level.

Hopefully this signifies that they are coming around. This team on paper looks very dangerous especially with Bieksa and Kesler back in the line up. It's up to them to make everyone believe it. I don't believe this season is over at all. This team is far too good to roll over. Should a couple of trades be made? Yes. If those trades work though......

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:26 AM

Totally. I would clarify on a couple of points though.

1) Talent, yes. I think that should be our #1 objective. Find and get the most talented player we can afford.
2) Cohesion is a factor of coaching and style. I see a big problem with the results of the coaching staff and their ability to get the most out of their players with the system they employ.
3) If we can't be dominant in the face-off circle, we need to change our style of play. Our mentality.


Exactly.....couldn't have summed it up better .......

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:32 AM

Like I said they tried to trade him and he is still here and they are not going to buy him out. And if Luongo wanted out so bad, he would have made it known. By his play and his celebration after tonight and many other wins this season, looks like he is very happy to play for this team and wants to win for the team.

Luongo is our guy.


Luongo always gets it done consistently in the regular season. This is not a revelation.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:38 AM

Luongo always gets it done consistently in the regular season. This is not a revelation.


Very true. I have seen people say "this loss decreases his value." or "trade him now while he is hot"... pretty irrelevant he does not need to prove himself in the regular season.... I used to hate luongo but with his new attitude what is not to like?

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:08 AM

Agreed.

On point 3, I believe this is why our team looks so disjointed lately. They are really struggling with their identity. They're not big enought to play the boards all the time or to push teams around, they're not fast enough or skilled enought to run-and-gun and they're not strong enough defensively to play like Nashville.

I'm a believer that it may take a new philosophy and voice to gather the flock together and get them a new identity. One they can all buy into and flourish under.


I can buy into this. We're definitely having an identity crisis at the moment. I think it's been brought on by the new parity-on-steroids of this year though. The Sedins can hang onto the puck better than anyone but recently, defenders just go up to them, bear hug them, and the cycle is broken. No holding call, nothing. Happened at least a half dozen times this game. Similarly, in the slot you just see guys slashing, interfering and holding with no calls. Kind of hard to drive up the middle when 2-4 guys can do whatever they like to get the puck off you.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:19 AM

Luongo played very well and was surprisingly good in the shootout. However, this was only a 2-1 shootout win against Columbus. Personally I think this team is still a long way from being out of the woods and playing the way we're used to seeing from seasons past.


Much agreed. Columbus looked good, but they are still a bottom tier team. Our team still looks out of sorts.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:28 AM

YEAH OVERCONFIDENCE
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:36 AM

I did not see enough tonight to convince me that this triggers a turnaround in heart, spirit, and effort by the Canucks.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 02:04 AM

It was Patrick Kane. The thing is that in a shootout the puck was still in motion and there is a short countdown before they whistle it dead. Since it was stopped by Schneider and then hit his glove and went in, it is viewed as the same as a shot hitting the post and then going in off the goalie.


You're right it was Kane....makes it even worse :mad:

There isn't a whistle on the shootout to indicate the play is dead, the ref either points at the net or swings his arms out.

You contradict yourself. You say it was "stopped by Schneider" how could it then "hit his glove" and go in? Either it was stopped or it wasn't. And if you look at a replay it was stopped. To me it looked like Schneider, after stopping the puck, was off balance and put his glove down on the ice for support not knowing exactly where the puck was. He then hit the stationary puck back into the net when his glove made contact with the puck. Once again the rules state:

The puck must be kept in motion towards the opponent’s goal line and once it is shot, the play shall be considered complete. No goal can be scored on a rebound of any kind (an exception being the puck off the goal post or crossbar, then the goalkeeper and then directly into the goal), and any time the puck crosses the goal line or comes to a complete stop, the shot shall be considered complete.

So the only allowance for a rebound is if it goes off the post or crossbar and THEN the goalkeeper and into the net. That did not happen. Also the puck came to a complete stop. It was Cory's attempt to balance himself after that caused the puck to move again back into the goal.

Screwed once again by the refs.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 06:16 AM

Whoo! They are still alive. Barely. Some good signs with the hits and total shots etc. Lou absolutely stole the shootout. Fantastic move by MayRay. Good game. Go Canucks Go!

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 06:45 AM

You're right it was Kane....makes it even worse :mad:

There isn't a whistle on the shootout to indicate the play is dead, the ref either points at the net or swings his arms out.

You contradict yourself. You say it was "stopped by Schneider" how could it then "hit his glove" and go in? Either it was stopped or it wasn't. And if you look at a replay it was stopped. To me it looked like Schneider, after stopping the puck, was off balance and put his glove down on the ice for support not knowing exactly where the puck was. He then hit the stationary puck back into the net when his glove made contact with the puck. Once again the rules state:

The puck must be kept in motion towards the opponent’s goal line and once it is shot, the play shall be considered complete. No goal can be scored on a rebound of any kind (an exception being the puck off the goal post or crossbar, then the goalkeeper and then directly into the goal), and any time the puck crosses the goal line or comes to a complete stop, the shot shall be considered complete.

So the only allowance for a rebound is if it goes off the post or crossbar and THEN the goalkeeper and into the net. That did not happen. Also the puck came to a complete stop. It was Cory's attempt to balance himself after that caused the puck to move again back into the goal.

Screwed once again by the refs.


The initial SHOT was stopped by Schneider, but you can tell from this video from the 6:42 mark () that the puck did not come to a complete stop. It was still moving as Cory put the hand down for support and ended up going into the net. Goalies scoring on themselves counts as a goal. I do agree that the ref was stupid and waved it off before even realizing what happened. Next time the refs should either stick with the call they made or be more patient before making the call.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 07:42 AM

Canucks looked awesome for the 1st 2 periods. I loved the aggressiveness on the forecheck and the d making good decisions on the pinch. Columbus did not have any room on the ice. If they played 60 minutes like that, I would have still been ok if they lost because they dominated.

I'm not sure if they were tired in the 3rd but their play started slowing down and less aggressive. Was that strategy or fatigue?

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 11:13 AM

Wow...is it just me or does it seem like a lot of people are mad we won? So we won and half the comments are "big deal..it's Columbus. We barely won" And if we lost then it's "We lost to Columbus...trade the team."

Seems like some people are just never satisfied looking for any reason to complain.

I for one am happy we managed to win a tight game since all year long we have been losing a lot of them. And here's some news for you...the almighty Blackhawks with their incredible record beat Columbus by only one goal every time this year and one of those games is because Crawford played amazing and got them a shutout in a 1-0 win. Shall we take away their record as well?

A win is a win no matter who you play. I'm glad we got the two points and hopefully build some momentum. Still a lot of problems with the team but don't come here and tell me it doesn't mean anything to win.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 11:27 AM

Wow...is it just me or does it seem like a lot of people are mad we won? So we won and half the comments are "big deal..it's Columbus. We barely won" And if we lost then it's "We lost to Columbus...trade the team."

Seems like some people are just never satisfied looking for any reason to complain.

I for one am happy we managed to win a tight game since all year long we have been losing a lot of them. And here's some news for you...the almighty Blackhawks with their incredible record beat Columbus by only one goal every time this year and one of those games is because Crawford played amazing and got them a shutout in a 1-0 win. Shall we take away their record as well?

A win is a win no matter who you play. I'm glad we got the two points and hopefully build some momentum. Still a lot of problems with the team but don't come here and tell me it doesn't mean anything to win.


I think the issue is that yes a win is a win but how you play matters much more in the outcome of games in the playoffs where taking your foot off the gas in the 3rd period does not usually cut it.

The strategy is still flawed and the execution is still nowhere near where it needs to be.

Let's hope this win convinces the team to put in more consistent effort for 60 minutes.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:35 PM

The initial SHOT was stopped by Schneider, but you can tell from this video from the 6:42 mark that the puck did not come to a complete stop. It was still moving as Cory put the hand down for support and ended up going into the net. Goalies scoring on themselves counts as a goal. I do agree that the ref was stupid and waved it off before even realizing what happened. Next time the refs should either stick with the call they made or be more patient before making the call.


don't want to beat this horse to death, but while, you're correct, the puck does not actually come to a complete stop, it does lose its forward motion. It is deflected sideways.

The puck must be kept in motion towards the opponent’s goal line

I think at the very least, because the ref couldn't see from his position behind the net, there should have been a review done first.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 08:37 PM

Luongo is the better goalie


Exactly plus people would rather have Schneider because of his age/contract

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 09:48 PM

Exactly plus people would rather have Schneider because of his age/contract

People keep saying this but which teams would rather have Schneider who is interested? Wouldn't a trade had been made by now if Gillis was offered something good.




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