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#1 Mrock-763

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:56 PM

This is in no way a Raymond bashing thread...

Should we keep Raymond and try and sign him in the off season or trade him while his stock is high?

Raymond UFA 2.275 mil cap hit (age 27)

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Steve Ott 2.950 cap hit (age 30)

A young player with offensive skill and a good set of wheels for a hardworking gritty type player that's built for the playoffs?
Good hockey trade? Thoughts?

Steve Ott's playing style is kamikaze-like and is very pesky just like Burrows. Which is why they would make great line mates. Add Kassian to the mix and you got a tough line to play against.

Downside to this trade is you break up the Raymond Schroeder Hansen line which has been on fire. How long will they continue on this hot streak? Will they have success in the playoffs? Highly unlikely... but you never know.

Upside is you get to roll 4 lines that can contribute offensively and is defensively responsible. Also you get to load up the first line with your best players.

Sedin Sedin Kesler - top offensive line with net presence
Burrows Ott Kassian - skill, grit and toughness
Higgins Schroeder Hansen - sniper playmaker grinder
Sestito Lapierre Gordon - tough guy grinder twf

Hamhuis Garrison
Edler Bieksa
Ballard Tanev


That lineup looks playoff worthy :)

Some notes regarding the 4th line

I've been surprised by Sestito, he's been very responsible in his own end and can make plays. He makes the team play bigger when he's in the lineup.

Gordon hasn't been too shabby either. While playing with the Hershey Bears he registered 21, 37 and 28 goals. He's got offensive upside to him and I love how he always finishes his checks.

Then we got Pinizotto and Weise, two other players that can slot into the 3/4th line if need be.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:58 PM

just let it unfold bro


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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:00 PM

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I've always been a Raymond fan.
I'd say resign him for a long term contract between 2.5/3m a year.
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:01 PM

I don't think the last 3 games is going to factor too much in Raymond's trade value.
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:01 PM

Well, let's see if Gillis got the brains to even think of this trade first ;)
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:03 PM

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You're living in a dreamworld if you think BUF accepts this trade. Why would THEY want a rental? Think about it
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:05 PM

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Keep MayRay.
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:05 PM

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I don't think the last 3 games is going to factor too much in Raymond's trade value.


No but his season to date may play a big part in his future.

He was drafted and sculpted by the Canuck franchise, I believe with the season he is having if he wants to stay, he will stay. He will be a cheaper option going forward than Booth, more offensive flair than Higgins, and not a defenseman fill in like Ballard.

He has produced better than I think anyone one CDC could have hoped for and has build chemistry with another player that will hopefully be here long term (Hansen). I say keep him and Hansen and sign them to deals closer to 3M each moving forward.
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:08 PM

You're living in a dreamworld if you think BUF accepts this trade. Why would THEY want a rental? Think about it


Steve Ott is also a UFA...

They could have Raymond playing along side Hodgson

Raymond Hodgson Pominville
Vanek Foligno Stafford

Not too shabby

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:10 PM

I'd keep him but sign him at max to 2 year extension to keep him motivated to keep earning his paychecks. This season his offensive upside is showing again now that he's paired with Schroeder and not shoot-first Kesler, those two should be able to do some good things together.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:10 PM

Lol ^^ vanek > raymond


Edit: didnt see your edit

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:10 PM

LOL Ott is not a 2nd line player, at least not on a team that wants to contend for the cup.
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:12 PM

It depends whether or not the Canucks think he is a top six forward or not. If you are going to pay Hansen and Raymond both 3 Million, then you have a problem because that's too much for 2 guys who are 3rd liners and unproven top six forwards. If I had to choose one, it would be Hansen easily. Then, there's Higgins. Unfortunately, it isn't necessarily who is the guy with more skill, it's the guy with more chemistry with Kesler. That's why Higgins should be re-signed. Raymond is the odd man out, imo.

The only way, all three(the 3rd liners, that are occasionally on the 2nd line). Is that, Jordan Schoeder solidifies himself as a 3rd line center, and that the team somehow finds a way to get rid of Booth, Ballard, Luongo, and a lot more salary. It's also key, to sign a proper scoring forward.

Real Lucky that Hansen has an one more year in his contract, so there's time but I've said it at the start of the season. Only one of Raymond, Booth, or Higgins will stay. Trying to move Booth will be difficult, Raymond may be able to land more money/better roster spot elsewhere, and Higgins will probably be the cheapest and has the best chemistry with Kesler.

Add the fact that Kassian should be eventually getting better, and Jensen is stepping up. There's no reason to sign so many wingers for around the 3M. Raymond is probably the most expendable.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:17 PM

LOL Ott is not a 2nd line player, at least not on a team that wants to contend for the cup.


Maybe your right, but it's a way better option than Schroeder heading into the playoffs.

Burrows Ott Kassian would compliment each other well and could hold their own. It's a different game in the playoffs.

You don't necessarily lose that much by trading Raymond. You still have Higgins, who is more than capable of putting the puck in the net.

Higgins Schroeder Hansen isn't that bad of a third line

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:19 PM

I would trade him while his value is high but since he's becoming a UFA and we have no better options right now at his position I would keep him but don't be surprised if his stats take a major dip in the playoffs.
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:21 PM

Don't think it'll matter. Buffalo loves Ott, and is trying to re-sign him. Ott has much more value than Raymond on either team. Ott does everything. If Raymond isn't scoring he's invisible. There's plenty of guys who can play a better defensive/grind/PK game then him.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:21 PM

I would trade him while his value is high but since he's becoming a UFA and we have no better options right now at his position I would keep him but don't be surprised if his stats take a major dip in the playoffs.


Exactly what I'm worried about
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:23 PM

Steve Ott is also a UFA...

They could have Raymond playing along side Hodgson

Raymond Hodgson Pominville
Vanek Foligno Stafford

Not too shabby


First you're wrong.

Ott is a UFA in 2014-15

Second,if you think Raymond gives them a better chance of getting in the playoffs or playing better in the playoffs you're dreaming. EVERY team wants a guy like Ott and that's exactly why BUF gave up a first to get him.

Third, why trade for a rental like Raymond if you could try and sign him for free in the off season? Why give up an asset for that?

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:25 PM

Don't think it'll matter. Buffalo loves Ott, and are trying to re-sign him. Ott has much more value than Raymond.


But would Ott re-sign to a non-cup contending team that is about to go in rebuild mode?

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:25 PM

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Raymond finally seems to be healed from that horrific back injury and playing really good hockey and you want to trade him :picard:
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:27 PM

First you're wrong.

Ott is a UFA in 2014-15

Second,if you think Raymond gives them a better chance of getting in the playoffs or playing better in the playoffs you're dreaming. EVERY team wants a guy like Ott and that's exactly why BUF gave up a first to get him.

Third, why trade for a rental like Raymond if you could try and sign him for free in the off season? Why give up an asset for that?

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Oh crap, I thought he was a UFA after this year... fail on my part lol :picard:

But it would be nice if we got Ott though -_-
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:28 PM

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Ott may be the most over-hyped guy in the NHL.

Keep Raymond - re-sign him.

Folks are always busting Raymond's balls about scoring in the playoffs.

He has 7 goals, 9 assists in 51 career playoff games.
Ott has 3 goals and 2 assists in 34...not that convincing of a playoff 'upgrade'.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:31 PM

Raymond finally seems to be healed from that horrific back injury and playing really good hockey and you want to trade him :picard:


Yes. He's simply not a playoff performer. The year he got 25 goals and we dubbed him as the next Bure lol, he only managed to score something like 2 goals in the entire playoffs.

If we can trade Raymond while his stock is high (maybe throw in a pick or prospect) for Ott it would help the team in the bigger scheme of things.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:31 PM

Exactly what I'm worried about


Yep.. everything is great and everyone loves it around here when raymond is playing to his potential and everyone is waiving the pom poms but when the playoffs come around raymond has proven that his disappearing act is not a one off. He did fairly well last year Ill give him that, but I have very low expectations for him when it comes to playoffs and would be perfectly fine with a trade for ott, though I dont see that trade ever happening.

All that said i still think that raymond can be effective during the season and his speed can be a great help
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:34 PM

http://www.capgeek.com/player/691

Ott may be the most over-hyped guy in the NHL.

Keep Raymond - re-sign him.

Folks are always busting Raymond's balls about scoring in the playoffs.

He has 7 goals, 9 assists in 51 career playoff games.
Ott has 3 goals and 2 assists in 34...not that convincing of a playoff 'upgrade'.


Uhh I wouldnt think to bring Ott here for his scoring prowess.. just saying. Not sure why youre comparing points with two players, one who is a spiner/scorer and another who is more edgy and gritty role player.. who does their role better?

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:44 PM

I've always been a Raymond fan.
I'd say resign him for a long term contract between 2.5/3m a year.


With all the drama surrounding Raymond these past couple of years, I think it's time to move forward. Would rather re-sign Higgins

Raymond might like to test the free agent market. Alot of teams would love to have his wheels.
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:47 PM

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Raymond is freaking sick and a lot of you still hate on him. Even when he wasnt producing he was still a very valuable player. Guys a legit forward and I think he still might have a 30 goal season or two. Definite keeper for the next couple seasons.
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:51 PM

I hated Raymond last year and wanted him gone. But this year, he is playing much better and scoring timely goals for us. We need all the scoring we can get, so we need to keep Raymond.
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:52 PM

Raymond has been awesome this season. I dont want him going anywhere.
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:53 PM

Raymond is freaking sick and a lot of you still hate on him. Even when he wasnt producing he was still a very valuable player. Guys a legit forward and I think he still might have a 30 goal season or two. Definite keeper for the next couple seasons.


He's taken alot of abuse over the years by the media and fans, and I wouldn't be surprised if he walked after this season. He's played himself into a big pay raise that we might not be able to afford, and we still have to re-sign certain players.

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