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#1 VanNuck

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:39 PM

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Schneider's been doing well since finally getting his designated starting role in March (following Luongo-Schneider splits). Canucks have been winning games, and with exception of last night's match against the Stars, he could hardly be blamed for their failures.

Ultimately though, as I said before, Luongo realistically has little hope of getting traded. They can sit him for the rest of the season and into the playoffs, where he will only be deadweight - if he ever gets into action cold, it means the trouble is already there. They can then attempt to sell him in a trade in the off-season, where there will be few takers, if anyone. Sitting him out will only make him look like a washed-up yesteryear, and hardly anyone will take him for Gillis' asking price.

That's why their best solution is to put Luongo back into net and give him every chance to prove himself once more. If he succeeds, he either gets his job back or they can trade him for the right price. If he fails, well, they could always revert to Schneids.

For what he's worth, they should give Luongo a second chance. The man was billed as a world class goalie from the word go, and has had a hand in many victories. Two World Championship golds, World Cup of Hockey gold, Olympic gold. Also won the QMJHL President's Trophy. His time with Canucks should have immortalized his place here: emerging a playoff hero against Dallas and Anaheim, winning gold for Canada on Canuck ice, and signing a 12-year

With his talent, his pedigree, and his accomplishments, he has too much to simply throw away. He deserves a chance at a Stanley Cup.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:41 PM

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I will even add that after last night's game, Schneider isn't immune to the breakdowns that plagued Luongo and led to his demise with the fans and now with the coaching staff. If Luongo gets traded, Schneids takes over completely next year, and runs into similar cycles of play, people will begin to rip at him the same way, and then where will the Canucks be?
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:43 PM

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it's so funny how the vancouver media has managed to convince 90% of the team's fanbase that a goalie losing a game by more than 2 goals is considered a 'breakdown'

the team in front of schneider was awful

schneider didn't make saves when he should have

not a breakdown, just a reflection of how badly this team needs a legitimate shakeup
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:47 PM

not a breakdown, just a reflection of how badly this team needs a legitimate shakeup


You know, that's another good point there. Actually, if you ask me, in the event of another post-season breakdown, they should likely part ways with the Sedins.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:49 PM

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I certainly hope people start realizing that its not Luongo who solely breaks down but the entire team.

He is untradable and does deserve to be number one on this team. He has grown with the core, he is part of the core and if you want to compare his importance:

How would anyone feel about sitting a healthy Kesler?

How about sitting one of the Sedins each night?

How about Hamhuis or Bieksa sitting, healthy, on the bench, night after night?

Luongo's time has come.

Again I ask, AV is looking to start Schneider in the playoffs. Of Schneider falls two games to none in the first round, does he play Luongo the third game?

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:55 PM

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I certainly hope people start realizing that its not Luongo who solely breaks down but the entire team.

He is untradable and does deserve to be number one on this team. He has grown with the core, he is part of the core and if you want to compare his importance:

How would anyone feel about sitting a healthy Kesler?

How about sitting one of the Sedins each night?

How about Hamhuis or Bieksa sitting, healthy, on the bench, night after night?

Luongo's time has come.

Again I ask, AV is looking to start Achneider in the playoffs. Of Schneider falls two games to none in the first round, does he play Luongo the third game?


such a stupid question

it obviously depends on the scenario, right? if the canucks are losing 1-0, why drop schneider? if schneider is letting in 8 goals, a la luongo, then start the backup.

AV does not share your prejudices or 'favourite player syndrome' -- believe it or not, he has the team's best interest at heart. his job depends on it, and surely he knows it.

luongo is done here, and we need to see what schneider can do

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:56 PM

Which ever goalie plays better at key times in the following games should get starts in the playoffs. The Canucks need to forget about the regular season play and focus on the playoffs, and that goes for all players.

We need big hitters up front, which is why guys like Higgins and Kassian should be seeing more ice time. They may not be as effective as say Hansen or Raymond in the regular season, but come playoff time it's forwards like these that score key goals and grind opponents down.

The same can be said for defencemen. I'd rather have Alberts and a veteran D man like Vandermeer in our lineup than Ballard and Barker. We need physicality, leadership and experience on the blueline, not fragile offensive defencemen who would get crunched by the 6'6" giant forwards out there.

Finally, goaltending is exactly the same. In the playoffs, the Cup winning goalie hardly ever plays 20-25 games of consistent, great hockey. The Cup winner is however the most clutch goalie in the NHL, and that's what we should aim for now. Schneider has been good consistently, but he's blown it at key pressure times in games lately. This guy hasn't won any big games apart from an AHL championship (forget about that, AHL success does NOT equal NHL success so to me that means nothing). In the meantime, we have Luongo who is a proven big game player. He isn't consistently good, in fact he's very inconsistent, but when he plays well he plays very well and he does it at important times in important games. No one understands big game pressure in the NHL better than Luongo (perhaps only Crosby and Toews are more clutch), which is why Luongo should be our guy in the playoffs.

That being said, I say give both goalies a chance over these next huge games against Detroit, Anaheim and Chicago. Whoever comes up with the big saves and big times to help our team win deserves the playoff starts.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:58 PM



I say we give Luo one more chance in the playoffs this year. It's a shortened season, and after all he has done for us getting to game 7 of the SCF, one more chance and if he loses then he's done.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:00 PM

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I say we give Luo one more chance in the playoffs this year. It's a shortened season, and after all he has done for us getting to game 7 of the SCF, one more chance and if he loses then he's done.


had his chance

team didn't do it

time to move on
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:02 PM

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had his chance

team didn't do it

time to move on


My friend, you are precisely the audience I'm targeting and if you can't help being a hater, it's time we move you on out...
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:06 PM

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Ooohh more goalie drama...

One of my pet peeves is that Luongo never got a fair shake. He always took the blame.
Even when we're not scoring much goals or when Byufglien was humping him on his crease.
It's all his fault.

While with Schneider, it's always the team in front of him that plays bad.
If it wasn't for him, it'd be 9-2 or something, right?
The goals he lets in, nobody could have stopped it. Just great shot, no chance at all.

Double standards much?
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:06 PM

This guy hasn't won any big games apart from an AHL championship (forget about that, AHL success does NOT equal NHL success so to me that means nothing).


When did Schneider win an AHL championship? The closest he came in 2009 was runner up with the Moose, losing in six games.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:10 PM

Ooohh more goalie drama...

One of my pet peeves is that Luongo never got a fair shake. He always took the blame.
Even when we're not scoring much goals or when Byufglien was humping him on his crease.
It's all his fault.

While with Schneider, it's always the team in front of him that plays bad.
If it wasn't for him, it'd be 9-2 or something, right?
The goals he lets in, nobody could have stopped it. Just great shot, no chance at all.

Double standards much?


Exactly, and for that reason, I had suggested the Canucks are due for an extreme makeover. Details to follow in a different thread, but I can tell you that there will be in my picture a Big Three (much like in modern NBA dynasties, Miami Heat, Boston Celtics, San Antonio Spurs). Will even add that this Big Three (which we likely will never see with Canucks now) are all BC-born and ready to make noise. Anything better than local superstars?
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:14 PM

had his chance

team didn't do it

time to move on


Right. So when Schneider plays average and the team in front of him plays terribly, the loss is the team's fault. When the same situation happens to Luongo the loss is Luongo's fault? Okay.

Canucks fans and their double standards... :picard:
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:15 PM

Roberto has had his chances. Perhaps its time to give Cory the opportunity since he has shown he is capable of carrying our team and bringing the same elite level play that Roberto has shown. Cory hasn't got a chance, and maybe now he deserves it, since Roberto has had a few already.

And also what if Cory sits and gets cold? Either way one has to play, and the other is going to get cold.

Basically, Cory has played outstanding, our team MVP so far this year. If that continues, he will start. And deservedly so. If Roberto can uproot Cory (which is quite unlikely at this point) then he will play.

This isn't about playing Luongo so he trade value goes up (which giving him the net in the playoffs won't anyways) its about going with the guy that gives the team the best chance to win, and right now that appears to be Cory.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:18 PM

Right. So when Schneider plays average and the team in front of him plays terribly, the loss is the team's fault. When the same situation happens to Luongo the loss is Luongo's fault? Okay.

Canucks fans and their double standards... :picard:


did i say that?

luongo is done in vancouver, GET-OVER-IT. support the team.

it's time to see what schneider can do over the long haul. this pure insanity about "luongo not being given his fair chance" after years and years and years here is just stupid.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:18 PM

I certainly hope people start realizing that its not Luongo who solely breaks down but the entire team.

He is untradable and does deserve to be number one on this team. He has grown with the core, he is part of the core and if you want to compare his importance:

How would anyone feel about sitting a healthy Kesler?

How about sitting one of the Sedins each night?

How about Hamhuis or Bieksa sitting, healthy, on the bench, night after night?

Luongo's time has come.

Again I ask, AV is looking to start Achneider in the playoffs. Of Schneider falls two games to none in the first round, does he play Luongo the third game?


You cant compare players to goalies in this situation. There are 18 player positions on the team and there's only one spot open for goaltenders. That spot goes to the goalie that gives the team the best chance to win. If they could play them both, I'm sure they would. Schneider has also been with this team for a long time and has been brought up through the canucks system. It's not like we just brought him in this year. Schneider is the better goalie, gives us the best chance to win and management could care less about what they're doing to Luongo's trade value right now. They want to win now.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:31 PM

Well, Luongo had his chances though, and he does deserve at least part of the blame. 09, game 6, Chicago, Canucks tried their damndest to force 7, scored 5 goals, Lu let in 7. 10, again, Chicago, Lu let in 13 goals over 3 games, and 5 in game 6. 11, Game 6, Lu lets in 3 in the span of 3 minutes, game 7, Canucks try their hardest again to beat Thomas, but Lu lets in 3 on 20 shots. He's had his chances, but he couldn't capitalize, which is why we should give Schneider his shot.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:33 PM

did i say that?

luongo is done in vancouver, GET-OVER-IT. support the team.

it's time to see what schneider can do over the long haul. this pure insanity about "luongo not being given his fair chance" after years and years and years here is just stupid.


So is Luongo not a part of the team anymore? He's just a ghost sitting on the bench right?

He's really changed his attitude this year. By watching his interviews he has a "nothing to lose" attitude. Luongo's simply playing the game for his team and for himself. I think this attitude will help him improve his game whether it is with the Canucks or with another team.

I'm all for giving Schneider the chance, I never said not to. I simply stated the fact that Canucks fans judge Luongo and Schneider differently. Honestly though, if I was the GM (I know I'm not) I would probably trade Schneider. Our team is in their prime right now and frankly, Luongo and Schneider give us a similar level of play. The difference? Schneider will fetch us a far bigger return because he doesn't have the big contract and is younger.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:47 PM

people really should listen to kiprusoffs post game interview from tonight.

Paraphrasing: if you look at some other canadian cities it can be tough times for goalies and the crowd can be tough for them. Ive been lucky ive always felt like they were behind me and thats huge for the goalie.

When will people just support the players who are playing regardless of the situation or who is on the bench or signed to what contract. If the team performs & succeeds it doesnt matter who gets paid what or who plays what role its time Vancouver media and fans started realizing this.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:57 PM

I wouldn't necessarily go with Luongo for the rest of the season, but he deserves a fair chance after CS gave you a pile of goals in the last game. Regardless of the fact the whole team stunk, CS needs to be better than that.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:00 AM

It's hard for me not to think that this thread was conceived as a result of the Dallas game. Regardless, I agree with most of your points. Well said.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:01 AM

had his chance

team didn't do it

time to move on


if the team didn't do it then why is it only him that needs to move on
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:04 AM

The guy makes a point. What makes Gills think he will get the true value for Luongo sitting on the bench for the rest of the season like a nobody and teams watching?

Not saying play him now all games regardless. Give a game at least coming up and see how he does.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:13 AM

Luongo can get on the ice when Schneider passes him the cup.

Luongo is De-SCHNEID when it comes to playoff starts.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:18 AM

Luongo can get on the ice when Schneider passes him the cup.

Luongo is De-SCHNEID when it comes to playoff starts.


serious question, have you been hired by Cory to become his playboi?
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:30 AM

I stopped reading after you said the loss was schneiders fault.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:32 AM

AV does not share your prejudices or 'favourite player syndrome' -- believe it or not, he has the team's best interest at heart. his job depends on it, and surely he knows it.

luongo is done here, and we need to see what schneider can do

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:41 AM

Well, Luongo had his chances though, and he does deserve at least part of the blame. 09, game 6, Chicago, Canucks tried their damndest to force 7, scored 5 goals, Lu let in 7. 10, again, Chicago, Lu let in 13 goals over 3 games, and 5 in game 6. 11, Game 6, Lu lets in 3 in the span of 3 minutes, game 7, Canucks try their hardest again to beat Thomas, but Lu lets in 3 on 20 shots. He's had his chances, but he couldn't capitalize, which is why we should give Schneider his shot.


This comment pretty much sums up CDC. As long as the Canucks team "tries their best" they are free from blame. Luongo tries his best? Well, sorry Luongo but we want more. Are you implying that Luongo wasn't trying his best and threw the game?

Let's say he saved all the shots Boston threw at him in game 7. What happens? The Canucks couldn't score so the game just goes into overtime and it's likely that we would have lost since the Canucks couldn't find a way to crack Tim Thomas.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:57 AM

Roberto has had his chances. Perhaps its time to give Cory the opportunity since he has shown he is capable of carrying our team and bringing the same elite level play that Roberto has shown. Cory hasn't got a chance, and maybe now he deserves it, since Roberto has had a few already.

And also what if Cory sits and gets cold? Either way one has to play, and the other is going to get cold.

Basically, Cory has played outstanding, our team MVP so far this year. If that continues, he will start. And deservedly so. If Roberto can uproot Cory (which is quite unlikely at this point) then he will play.

This isn't about playing Luongo so he trade value goes up (which giving him the net in the playoffs won't anyways) its about going with the guy that gives the team the best chance to win, and right now that appears to be Cory.


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