GoLions Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Your insight and exclusive access to the Canuck's war room is highly valued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 MG can say he has active dialogue with a # of teams, which could mean something substantial, or could mean as little as he calling other GM's and making suggestions. He's in a tough spot and throughout the "process" (gulp) of the last 14 months has whittled away any leverage he may once have had. As Torts would say, he's made his own bed. Ownership likely gave him a mulligan on Luongo, time will tell if he has any left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 No! Please don't trade our 1st for 2nd round picks. The first round is the only round we've been consistent in. And he's talking to teams about Luongo? You don't say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakyWalton Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Wow I could only imagine now how annoying the melding of this visage and the voice would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Killer Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 How do you figure? Borderline HOF goalie, gold medal winner, perennial top 10 goalie with a reasonable cap hit. The term length is long but I still have yet to hear a convincing argument as to why that is any sort of a meaningful issue. He instantly makes almost any team better in net. You telling me there's not one other GM out there that would take that? The problem seems to be that GM's don't want to give up other assets and/or want a bad contract coming back via trade. If they could get him for free, someone would jump at it just to ensure they get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 How do you figure? Borderline HOF goalie, gold medal winner, perennial top 10 goalie with a reasonable cap hit. The term length is long but I still have yet to hear a convincing argument as to why that is any sort of a meaningful issue. He instantly makes almost any team better in net. You telling me there's not one other GM out there that would take that? The problem seems to be that GM's don't want to give up other assets and/or want a bad contract coming back via trade. If they could get him for free, someone would jump at it just to ensure they get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Basically we should just agree to eat half of his contract on a trade and be done with it. Cheaper than a buyout and we can still get a good asset back that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Yup that or buyout RDP from NYI or some similar option... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 How do you figure? Borderline HOF goalie, gold medal winner, perennial top 10 goalie with a reasonable cap hit. The term length is long but I still have yet to hear a convincing argument as to why that is any sort of a meaningful issue. He instantly makes almost any team better in net. You telling me there's not one other GM out there that would take that? The problem seems to be that GM's don't want to give up other assets and/or want a bad contract coming back via trade. If they could get him for free, someone would jump at it just to ensure they get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strombone1 Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Luo WONT go on waivers. His NTC makes it his choice to go on waivers or go straight to buyout. He'd be crazy to allow waivers because he loses control of where he lands as well as loses the opportunity to make more $$ via buyout + new contract as FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuretoMogilny Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 How do you figure? Borderline HOF goalie, gold medal winner, perennial top 10 goalie with a reasonable cap hit. The term length is long but I still have yet to hear a convincing argument as to why that is any sort of a meaningful issue. He instantly makes almost any team better in net. You telling me there's not one other GM out there that would take that? The problem seems to be that GM's don't want to give up other assets and/or want a bad contract coming back via trade. If they could get him for free, someone would jump at it just to ensure they get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IIlIlIIllIlIIIlIl Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 I think the problem is the following. 1. No dispute with talent level 2. Issue is contract term - not cap hit 3. Precedent has now been set in the NHL. You have a bad contract, buy it out, no one will take it. Bryz, Lecavalier, Briere buyouts have pretty much set the table for Gillis. He waited too long and lost in his game of 'chicken' with the rest of the league. 4. MG had to realize, while he may value something highly, if the buyer isn't willing to pay the price you're asking, if you don't understand your own negotiation position, you will not sell your asset. 5. As per 3 above, my worry is now he will wait again, miss the buyout window, be forced to trade schnieds and by that point, teams will have addressed their goaltending issues and therefore he'll get even less than what we expect for a schnieder deal. 6. The man is useless and I am starting to think, stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuretoMogilny Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 He made a mistake but that makes him stupid? If you're the general manager of an NHL team, you're not stupid... (Unless you're Feaster). GM's make mistakes all the time, and people have to wonder what say Gilman/Aquilini had in the decision not to move him too. The blame doesn't all rest on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckz101 Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 I think ownership is watching MG closely to see how he gets himself out of this one. If Gillis loses Luongo without getting anything back, he will probably get fired or resign. The ramifications from this are too big and he will pay with his job if it isn't handled well. The Aquillini's probably have their eyes on a replacement GM as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuretoMogilny Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 I think ownership is watching MG closely to see how he gets himself out of this one. If Gillis loses Luongo without getting anything back, he will probably get fired or resign. The ramifications from this are too big and he will pay with his job if it isn't handled well. The Aquillini's probably have their eyes on a replacement GM as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckz101 Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 I think he's done. He really messed this deal up and given very good / comparable (abeit different position) players in Briere and Lecavalier have been bought out the gm's of the league are showing the 'expectations/new house rules'...that being, bad contracts are bought out bc no one wants them, no matter how good the player. MG screwed up again.and the idea of compounding that error by trading schnieds is pure stupidity. 2 wrongs dont make a right. MG will never get another job as a gm after how he has systematically handcuffed this organization with bad trades/contracts. Almost as bad as what Ferguson did to the leafs. Ballard Booth Timing of Coho Keeping Raymond over Grabner Lou Never finding a 2nd line player Roy Not filling our Center holes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Påhlsson Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 If Gillis doesn't move/buy-out/waive Luongo by the draft. Then he can sign his papers and get on the next plane out of here. This farce has gone on long enough. If the "reset" turns out to be just more of the same posturing I will be extremely disappointed. If Gillis trades down and potentially misses out on a top end talent which this team sorely lacks in the prospect deparment. We have Nicklas Jensen, Brendan Gaunce, Frank Corrado and Jordan Schroeder but none of those prospects really have top line ceiling at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Your insight and exclusive access to the Canuck's war room is highly valued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Killer Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Yep, you're absolutely right and I agree, he's as good as gone. Any replacement candidates come to mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 If Gillis doesn't move/buy-out/waive Luongo by the draft. Then he can sign his papers and get on the next plane out of here. This farce has gone on long enough. If the "reset" turns out to be just more of the same posturing I will be extremely disappointed. If Gillis trades down and potentially misses out on a top end talent which this team sorely lacks in the prospect deparment. We have Nicklas Jensen, Brendan Gaunce, Frank Corrado and Jordan Schroeder but none of those prospects really have top line ceiling at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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