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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:25 PM

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I’m a diehard Canucks fan and I’m going to bring up some unfortunate truths about the current situation this franchise finds itself in.

Let me ask you, the reader, whether you believe the Canucks will win the cup this year or sometime in the next several years? Are we better than the Chicago Blackhawks or the Pittsburgh Penguins?

By committing to the Sedins with new contracts we are also committing to the core of this team for the next four to five years. We’re committing to one of the older cores in the league that already statistically is trending downwards.

The ultimate goal for this franchise should be to win the Stanley Cup at all costs. Re-signing the Sedins means we won’t but good enough to win the Stanley Cup but we also won’t be bad enough to get the high draft picks that are so desperately necessary to compete for a Stanley Cup on year in year out basis.

It goes without saying that these top draft picks are invariably the key pieces that make up a vast majority of Stanley Cup winning teams. The Pittsburgh Penguins have Malkin and Crosby. The Chicago Blackhawks have Toews and Kane. The Los Angeles Kings have Doughty. The Boston Bruins are the only exception when it comes to a recent Stanley Cup winning team having a top five overall draft pick as a core part of the team.

The Sedins are arguably the best players in the history of the Canucks but would anyone doubt that their best accomplishments are behind them?

A lot of people, myself included, believe we have several prospects that in the future should pay dividends but are these going to be the key difference makers that finally push this team over the hump and win us a Stanley Cup?

A very optimistic view would believe that Bo Horvat develops into another Kesler in a few years and Shinkaruk a 30 goal scorer but if this were to happen would it do anything other than address the declining production from the Sedins and Burrows?

Subconsciously I think much of the fan base already realizes we won’t win a Stanley Cup with the Sedin twins anymore. The window has closed. This is the least amount of excitement there has been for this franchise since the last year of Nonis in ’08.

The Edmonton Oiler or Pittsburgh Penguin model of tanking to acquire may not be adviseable from a business perspective but neither is a decade of mediocrity. I know I will be the subject of criticism from fans who blindly worship our team but I believe the best path to winning the cup in the future does not involve re-signing the Sedin twins.
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:27 PM

Perhaps we should wait till we see more of the season and how the Sedins play under Torts before we make harsh judgements and trade away all our players. I felt regardless of the outcome of the game played last night that the Sedins actually seemed to play better then they did last year. Shrugs. Call me for being crazy and optumistic but I think that if they actually have the right guidance and really want it they might actually surprize some people.

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:28 PM

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So what you're saying is don't re-sign the Sedins and replace their collective 150+ points this season with?

You're saying don't offer them say....a 3 or 4 year contract worth $5.6 to $6 million each (less money with rising cap) and replace them with....

What you're saying is trade two, count em 2 marquee players in this league for?

Or are you saying let them walk?

See, I am not sure who you're talking to but with our prospects cupboard getting ever more full while still being competitive I think there hasn't been this much excitement in years.

But that's just me. Gotta be easy to replace 2/3rds of a first line for less than $12 million right?
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CIaude Giroux Posted 27 June 2014 - 04:15 PM


He's out for 6 months (which will hinder his development) and he really needs that development. There's already worries that he won't translate to the NHL and he'll end up a huge ass bust.

 

 


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:29 PM

Perhaps we should wait till we see more of the season and how the Sedins play under Torts before we make harsh judgements and trade away all our players.

But that would remove our knee jerk reaction syndrome. And you know how we love to jerk that knee
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CIaude Giroux Posted 27 June 2014 - 04:15 PM


He's out for 6 months (which will hinder his development) and he really needs that development. There's already worries that he won't translate to the NHL and he'll end up a huge ass bust.

 

 


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:29 PM

I think they will re-sign for less than what they are making now.
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:30 PM

Oh good lord just stop watching.
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:31 PM

But that would remove our knee jerk reaction syndrome. And you know how we love to jerk that knee


There is a dirty joke in here somewhere.
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:31 PM

So after one preseason game you don't want the 1 and 2 all time point leaders and arguably the greatest players under Bure this franchise has ever had re signed? Okay.
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:32 PM

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I disagree for the simple reason that those two guys will be able to help mold our prospects. No one on this team knows more about the league, franchise or city than those two. Not too mention they are class guys. If even a little bit of what they have rubs off onto the next generation, I'd consider it a great success. Obviously the price has to be right, though.

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:36 PM

I know I'll be subject to a lot of criticism for voicing such an opinion but so be it. Winning the Stanley Cup should be the most important thing to this franchise. If the Sedins have great years it doesn't change anything. The main premise is that we can no longer win the Stanley Cup with this core group of players. I'm not a fan that is satisfied with two rounds of playoff hockey.
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:36 PM

There is a dirty joke in here somewhere.

Shhhh....I am twitching on the verge of a brutal jerk as I write this. :bigblush:
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CIaude Giroux Posted 27 June 2014 - 04:15 PM


He's out for 6 months (which will hinder his development) and he really needs that development. There's already worries that he won't translate to the NHL and he'll end up a huge ass bust.

 

 


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:38 PM

You're right - heavy criticism....

Just calm down, sit back, and enjoy the ride.
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:40 PM

Actually, yes re-sign the twins at a reasonable cap hit that averages less than what they make now, but make them our second line. Build a killer top line for the twins to support and then enjoy the show...
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:40 PM

I know I'll be subject to a lot of criticism for voicing such an opinion but so be it. Winning the Stanley Cup should be the most important thing to this franchise. If the Sedins have great years it doesn't change anything. The main premise is that we can no longer win the Stanley Cup with this core group of players. I'm not a fan that is satisfied with two rounds of playoff hockey.

Your argument might be sound but I have two questions for you.

Boston, didn't quit on that aging core after a cup win, how'd they do? The Devils didn't make any major changes prior to 2003...and they did what? IN fact Colorado made almost no moves besides Borque in 2000, did they win anything?

Might as well flex the big guns and say how about Detroit through the 90's and the 2000's? How much of a major front line change did they make? That's right none they retired players and reloaded on the fly.

There's NO team in the league right now that can eat the Sedin's cap, letting them walk at seasons end is tantamount to both club and career suicide for Gillis and the Nucks management team.

And honestly, who will replace their guaranteed 150+ points this year and how do you replace 2/3rds of a top line for less than $12 million without giving away all your picks prospects and roster players, remain under the cap and call yourself competitive?
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CIaude Giroux Posted 27 June 2014 - 04:15 PM


He's out for 6 months (which will hinder his development) and he really needs that development. There's already worries that he won't translate to the NHL and he'll end up a huge ass bust.

 

 


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:49 PM

I know I'll be subject to a lot of criticism for voicing such an opinion but so be it. Winning the Stanley Cup should be the most important thing to this franchise. If the Sedins have great years it doesn't change anything. The main premise is that we can no longer win the Stanley Cup with this core group of players. I'm not a fan that is satisfied with two rounds of playoff hockey.


My question to you is if you are going to get rid of the caliber of players in the Sedins because they can't win the Canucks a cup, who are you going to replace them with that will give the team a better chance to win a cup in the next 4 or 5 years?
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:51 PM

I believe in free speech. You have had your speech, can we now kick him off the boards.

Sick of negative Canucks fans, who claim they are true nucks fans, but are just trolls in sheeps clothing.

Yea get rid of our best ever statistical players, boy you are a genius. Hey lets get rid of the young guns. I mean what the hell have they ever done for the team. Look at their stats lines. 0 0 0 0 +-0 0 00 Seriously how does THAT benefit the team?

Lets get rid of Torts too! He hasn't won a single game for us.
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:53 PM

Just curious... if you aren't re-signing them anyways, would you ask them to waive their no-trade to see if you can deal them at the deadline or just let them walk as free agents?
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:57 PM

But that would remove our knee jerk reaction syndrome. And you know how we love to jerk that knee


I know I'll be subject to a lot of criticism for voicing such an opinion but so be it. Winning the Stanley Cup should be the most important thing to this franchise. If the Sedins have great years it doesn't change anything. The main premise is that we can no longer win the Stanley Cup with this core group of players. I'm not a fan that is satisfied with two rounds of playoff hockey.


And whose to say that underneath the right coaching staff we can't win the cup with this core group of guys. I maybe a little crazy and optimistic. I am so sick of this fan base jumping up and down like spoiled children when things don't go the right way. We lost the cup and then instead of working towards change and moving forward we had a coach who was stale and who lost the room. Who didn't guide his players and whose players didn't show up. Now we have a new coach who is firey and who seems to actually wants to coach and yeah they haven't been successful in the pre-season but I am not ready to throw in the towel just yet. I want to give torts and the Sedins a chance before making up my mind. The Sedins are already taking on new roles then they did before and that alone tells me things will be different this year.
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 02:00 PM

Is this based on 1 pre-season game? :sadno: :picard:
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 02:01 PM

I’m a diehard Canucks fan and I’m going to bring up some unfortunate truths about the current situation this franchise finds itself in.

Let me ask you, the reader, whether you believe the Canucks will win the cup this year or sometime in the next several years? Are we better than the Chicago Blackhawks or the Pittsburgh Penguins?

The best team on paper doesn't always win the cup.

By committing to the Sedins with new contracts we are also committing to the core of this team for the next four to five years. We’re committing to one of the older cores in the league that already statistically is trending downwards.

The ultimate goal for this franchise should be to win the Stanley Cup at all costs. Re-signing the Sedins means we won’t but good enough to win the Stanley Cup but we also won’t be bad enough to get the high draft picks that are so desperately necessary to compete for a Stanley Cup on year in year out basis.

We'll still be good enough to compete for the cup with the twins. Winning requires a team effort.

It goes without saying that these top draft picks are invariably the key pieces that make up a vast majority of Stanley Cup winning teams. The Pittsburgh Penguins have Malkin and Crosby. The Chicago Blackhawks have Toews and Kane. The Los Angeles Kings have Doughty. The Boston Bruins are the only exception when it comes to a recent Stanley Cup winning team having a top five overall draft pick as a core part of the team.

If Boston did it, you just contradicted yourself.

The Sedins are arguably the best players in the history of the Canucks but would anyone doubt that their best accomplishments are behind them?

A lot of people, myself included, believe we have several prospects that in the future should pay dividends but are these going to be the key difference makers that finally push this team over the hump and win us a Stanley Cup?

A very optimistic view would believe that Bo Horvat develops into another Kesler in a few years and Shinkaruk a 30 goal scorer but if this were to happen would it do anything other than address the declining production from the Sedins and Burrows?

If they develop that well, then it makes for an easy transition.

Subconsciously I think much of the fan base already realizes we won’t win a Stanley Cup with the Sedin twins anymore. The window has closed. This is the least amount of excitement there has been for this franchise since the last year of Nonis in ’08.

Window is still wide open. New coach is the biggest difference maker.

The Edmonton Oiler or Pittsburgh Penguin model of tanking to acquire may not be adviseable from a business perspective but neither is a decade of mediocrity. I know I will be the subject of criticism from fans who blindly worship our team but I believe the best path to winning the cup in the future does not involve re-signing the Sedin twins.

Following the Oilers would be the worst thing this team could do.


I don't see any valid reason to believe letting the Sedins walk will benefit this team in any way.
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 02:02 PM

And whose to say that underneath the right coaching staff we can't win the cup with this core group of guys. I maybe a little crazy and optimistic. I am so sick of this fan base jumping up and down like spoiled children when things don't go the right way. We lost the cup and then instead of working towards change and moving forward we had a coach who was stale and who lost the room. Who didn't guide his players and whose players didn't show up. Now we have a new coach who is firey and who seems to actually wants to coach and yeah they haven't been successful in the pre-season but I am not ready to throw in the towel just yet. I want to give torts and the Sedins a chance before making up my mind. The Sedins are already taking on new roles then they did before and that alone tells me things will be different this year.

Exactly.

I recall a Penguins team that lost in the SCF finals to Detroit, replaced the coach came back to win after having a mediocre season to follow up that run.

People forget we are barely a shortened season away from our 2nd consecutive Presidents trophy with the same group of guys. Except, we've removed a liability in Lapierre, and gained some promising young guys who can step in, no goalie controversy and have increased depth at all the essential positions with gritty role players who have something to prove.

Might as well trade everyone and a 1st round pick for Aaron Rome
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CIaude Giroux Posted 27 June 2014 - 04:15 PM


He's out for 6 months (which will hinder his development) and he really needs that development. There's already worries that he won't translate to the NHL and he'll end up a huge ass bust.

 

 


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 02:03 PM

Do I think we're favourites the next say 2 years? No. Do I think we have a shot at the cup? Absolutely.

We just need to have a bit more luck, less injuries and an unexpected contribution from say one of the rookies or a revived Booth to beat the competition. Is all that likely? No. Possible? Yes.

I'm actually looking forward to say 2-3 years from now where guys like Kassian should really be coming in to their own and Shink, Gaunce, Horvat, Jensen etc will likely all be making meaningful contributions for low $$$.
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 02:04 PM

Might as well trade everyone and a 1st round pick for Aaron Rome


You're only saying that because it can't be Raymond, Ballard and a 1st anymore. :lol:
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 02:04 PM

I’m a diehard Canucks fan and I’m going to bring up some unfortunate truths about the current situation this franchise finds itself in.

Let me ask you, the reader, whether you believe the Canucks will win the cup this year or sometime in the next several years? Are we better than the Chicago Blackhawks or the Pittsburgh Penguins?

By committing to the Sedins with new contracts we are also committing to the core of this team for the next four to five years. We’re committing to one of the older cores in the league that already statistically is trending downwards.

The ultimate goal for this franchise should be to win the Stanley Cup at all costs. Re-signing the Sedins means we won’t but good enough to win the Stanley Cup but we also won’t be bad enough to get the high draft picks that are so desperately necessary to compete for a Stanley Cup on year in year out basis.

It goes without saying that these top draft picks are invariably the key pieces that make up a vast majority of Stanley Cup winning teams. The Pittsburgh Penguins have Malkin and Crosby. The Chicago Blackhawks have Toews and Kane. The Los Angeles Kings have Doughty. The Boston Bruins are the only exception when it comes to a recent Stanley Cup winning team having a top five overall draft pick as a core part of the team.

The Sedins are arguably the best players in the history of the Canucks but would anyone doubt that their best accomplishments are behind them?

A lot of people, myself included, believe we have several prospects that in the future should pay dividends but are these going to be the key difference makers that finally push this team over the hump and win us a Stanley Cup?

A very optimistic view would believe that Bo Horvat develops into another Kesler in a few years and Shinkaruk a 30 goal scorer but if this were to happen would it do anything other than address the declining production from the Sedins and Burrows?

Subconsciously I think much of the fan base already realizes we won’t win a Stanley Cup with the Sedin twins anymore. The window has closed. This is the least amount of excitement there has been for this franchise since the last year of Nonis in ’08.

The Edmonton Oiler or Pittsburgh Penguin model of tanking to acquire may not be adviseable from a business perspective but neither is a decade of mediocrity. I know I will be the subject of criticism from fans who blindly worship our team but I believe the best path to winning the cup in the future does not involve re-signing the Sedin twins.


So Detroit should of done this long time ago... cause clearly they aren't cup contenders each year or wait they also draft top 10 to compete... Also the Oilers plan of drafting high isn't looking great they have top 6 forwards that are great but their defense sucks and their goaltending also penguins got lucky without drafting Crosby they wouldn't even won the cup
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 02:06 PM

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The Sedins are 33, not 40. They still have several years left in them, and their point production has been solid, despite the fact that they haven't replicated their biggest years (Scoring 100+ points isn't exactly easy, even for the young guys)

Some fans are quick to sell their older players down the river. The fact is, there are older guys out there that still dominate (Marty St. Louis, Jumbo and Pat, Zetterberg and Datsyuk, etc) and the Sedins are skilled enough to be in this group.

The problem with the Canucks is exactly the opposite: It's not the Sedins that need to do more, its everyone else. It's the Booths and the Higgins and the Kassians that need to contribute more. Kesler hopefully will be healthy and help complete a top 6 group.

You look at championship teams, everyone contributes and the 4th line guys are just as important as the top scorers. That's what the Canucks need to start doing.
If other Canuck forwards could be nearly as consistent as Henrik and Daniel, they would have another shot at a Cup.
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 02:08 PM

I don't know if it's an age thing, but to me, getting so adamant that we can't win with the Sedins is just emo. We could absolutely win a cup with the Sedins, we could also win without them. To think there is only one formula is pretty blind to reality. I hope they are re-signed to a fair contract based on their play under Torts.
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 02:09 PM

O how ppl are going to miss the sedin era. They still are going to be good for another 3-4 years. With some other pieces coming up I still think we can do it. Our window has not and won't be closed for at least a couple years. Enjoy it while u can because it's going to be a LONG road back to just being able to compete on a nightly basis
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 02:09 PM

Turn down the suck OP...... turn up the good
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 02:10 PM

If you make the playoffs you always have a chance. The Canucks need the Sedins to make the playoffs. Whether or not the Sedins can perform in the playoffs remains to be seen, but I would rather role the dice with them then to intentionally lose to get draft picks.

Look at how stacked PIT was on paper last year and how far did they get? I would rather see MG try and do his job and build the team where possible while staying competetive.

The moral of the story is:

Losing teams are no fun to watch. The playoffs are a crap shoot. High draft picks do not necessarily win you cups i.e. see FLA, EDM, or WPG (ATL). All have had high picks over the year and havnt won jack squat, muchless made the playoffs consistetly.
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 02:14 PM

Good luck finding 150 points in two players. We lose the Sedins and just about every forward and defencemen's point totals drop as well.
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