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  1. And people who wear cloth masks think they can now walk up to people and talk to them or netflix and chill and everything is okay because they have a cloth mask on. Cloth masks give a fake sense of security. At least with N95 there is some security there.
  2. The N95 does it all and it does it's stat significantly better when compared to cloth. I have said repeatedly cloth just prevents larger droplets from coughing, sneezing and talking.
  3. I am not stumbling over the word may. There are not any controlled studies that show cloth works. I didn't say Lisa Brosseau was written by the CDC? I said CDC's own website says there are no controlled studies that show cloth efficacy and the one study they did and link to says cloth was statistically insignificant. SARS doesn't spread anywhere near as easily as COVID. How is SARS spread? The primary way that SARS appears to spread is by close person-to-person contact. SARS-CoV is thought to be transmitted most readily by respiratory droplets (droplet spread) produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes. Droplet spread can happen when droplets from the cough or sneeze of an infected person are propelled a short distance (generally up to 3 feet) through the air and deposited on the mucous membranes of the mouth, nose, or eyes of persons who are nearby. The virus also can spread when a person touches a surface or object contaminated with infectious droplets and then touches his or her mouth, nose, or eye(s). In addition, it is possible that SARS-CoV might be spread more broadly through the air (airborne spread) or by other ways that are not now known. Most of your studies use SARS, in fact all do except the last one that is relating to droplets produce when speaking. These studies are using cough simulators. Obviously, coughing into something is going to prevent particles from getting through. I said all cloth is good for is to prevent larger droplets from getting through from coughing, sneezing or talking. This isn't showing any efficacy at preventing you from inhaling any airborne droplets. If you're sick and coughing and sneezing you shouldn't be out in public. If someone is asymptomatic near you.. what is the efficacy of your cloth mask? The most interesting study is the last one but it says damp washcloth and then damp face covering.. what is that? What material are they using? How thick is it? For all we know it could be a towel in front of the person's face. If we disregard what actual is being used we are still talking about coughing, sneezing and talking... as the article refers to itself it doesn't take into account how many virus particles are in these particles produced from talking. The article are also showing that the droplets are still in the air just they aren't being spread out as far. If you're social distancing those droplets won't hit you but they're still in the air around the person. You can still then walk where that person was an inhale them.. N95+,or better, is how you protect yourself and the public not cloth. You also have Dr. Fauci recommending people to wear goggles. And FYI I have yet to see anyone(I mean the majority of the shoppers) social distance at a grocery store. I have yet to see anyone obey the rules of a grocery store when they have aisles that are supposed to be one way traffic only. They all feel these cloth masks make them immune which it doesn't.
  4. It will be interesting to see how Markstrom does without Ian Clark. When he wasn't working with Ian his game suffered. Is he going to be able to pull himself out of a rut? I have a feeling that Markstrom is going to be mediocre in Calgary. Calgary has had terrible goalies so he will be far better than what they have had but I don't think he will be a top 10 goalie in Calgary.
  5. I am not surprised I have to repeat myself to you. I posted an infectious disease expert. I posted a controlled study. I posted the CDC own statement on masks. I am also not surprised you can't understand scientific data. You're also suggesting that if people bought n95 masks then there wouldn't be enough for healthcare workers.. which would then make cloth masks political. I've yet to see someone post one study on cloth masks that shows efficacy. You know why? because no study exists that shows the efficacy of a cloth mask.
  6. I posted an infectious disease expert. I posted a controlled study. I posted the CDC statement on masks. You made a post where you can't even spell and expect me to believe you are a health care worker? Where? I would like to avoid this place.
  7. cloth prevents large droplets from sneezing, coughing or even talking that's it. That is what cloth prevents. I posted an interview with an expert on infectious disease who went over this and nothing has changed since then despite what people here are saying. This is all political to make people think they are being safe and to give a false sense of security.
  8. I agree with people would be hoarding n95 and I also think it’s the cost... government mandates masks well n95 aren’t cheap... it’s political. If cloth was effective in some way it would have to be combined with social distancing, proper usage, proper cleaning, proper design and material there will be all these factors that have to be perfect and the vast majority of people wouldn’t do them all and that’s if they were shown to be effective, a big if.
  9. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_article The filtration effectiveness of cloth masks is generally lower than that of medical masks and respirators; however, cloth masks may provide some protection if well designed and used correctly. Notice may provide... CDC’s own site has no scientific proof that cloth masks do anything. However, most studies of cloth masks were conducted in vivo and during the first half of the 20th century, before medical masks were developed. To our knowledge, only 1 randomized controlled trial has been conducted to determine the efficacy of cloth masks (4). one study which I posted before this that shows cloth is useless. But I’m being told the science says otherwise. No, it doesn’t. There is no evidence that shows cloth masks are effective on the contrary there is evidence of them being useless. I’m not arguing a cloth mask doesn’t stop some droplets but n95 are statistically significantly better 44% vs 97%... cloth really isn’t doing anything. CDC is trying to say the cloth masks might not have done so well because of the washing..well everyone is washing their cloth masks at home.. 97% smh lol come on.
  10. Actually it’s not misinformation. https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577 Results The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI statistically significantly higher in the cloth mask arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07) compared with the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also had significantly higher rates of ILI compared with the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%. statistical significants difference between the two. 97%... and you’re trying to say they’re not useless.... smh. Cloth is useless and telling people to use one over an n95 is the real misinformation.
  11. Nope I wear an n95 with a clothe design one over it.
  12. Cloth masks stop large droplets that’s pretty much where their usefulness stops which she mentions in the interview and the paper she wrote. If you’re going to wear a mask wear an n95 or you’re not really any better than someone with no mask. I find it so hypocritical when people complain about people not wearing masks when they’re wearing a piece of cloth... like that cloth is useless. It’s common sense. If you want to protect yourself and others get a proper mask that designed to protect you and others.
  13. When the virus first came out the CDC's own website said they weren't very effective at all. Then backpedaled. Here's an article for discussions sake as I think it is common sense that an N95 mask is light years better than any cloth mask which are virtually useless. https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/cloth-masks-are-useless-against-covid-19
  14. How can someone be fired who isn't even paid? I think people should wear masks but they should be N95 or N95 with the faceshield because those are the only masks that actually do anything. 80% of people I see are just wearing cloth masks.. which are kinda useless. People literally think that wearing a cloth mask is going to prevent them from inhaling an airborne virus... Companies should be allowed to set policies for mandatory masks requirements.. it's their business and they should have the right to do that and escort you out if you refuse. What I am against is closing down business and these CERB payments being thrown out like free candy. When we didn't know what we were dealing with I understood it. But now we know and for most of us it's not deadly at all. We can't be shutting down society ruining small businesses and putting ourselves in massive debt for a virus that has a high survivability rate and if you are against that then fine you can choose to stay home and receive sort of benefits, If you are at high risk - until there's a vaccine. You should have a choice, this is democracy. What we are seeing is there is no choice.. businesses are just being forced to shut down.. for what? Our taxes are going to go through the roof...It's not right.
  15. It's pretty meh... reminds me more of sweatshirt than jersey.
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