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23 minutes ago, johngould21 said:
I believe I heard John and John saying the Canucks had used something like 16 defensemen this season already. Could it be that the size thing matters? The forwards aren't heavy enough either.
Yeah I heard guys on Sportsnet 650 last night talk about the size of Canucks.. Think the average weight was 190 lbs not a heavy big team and not much toughness or grit.
Rick Tocchet will be pushing Allvin to trade for some toughness. and size. Very hard to find players that can play regular and add that toughness Canucks need especially on defence... A player like Graves would be so special 28--6'5--225-- Stay at home D man, adds grit toughness and PK can play 20 mins...
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3 hours ago, higgyfan said:
From what I've read about Cole, is that he was a late bloomer and was overlooked due to his 5'10" and 160lbs.
He was described as having a similar style to Quinn Hughes, but nowhere near the skills. Now that he is
6'1" and 192lbs, I would think his game has changed and he could probably withstand the NHL defensive
game. Love the timeframe he has for development.
I like this signing adding size Cole McWard -21 - 6'1 - 195lbs RD yes-- --We have so many D men between 5'10 - --6'0
Need to Add a guy like Graves 27 - 6'5 -225 -- very tough stay at home D man...
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2 hours ago, Odd. said:
MVP: Kravtsov
Best dman: Myers (HM: Stillman)
Exiciting player: Studnicka
Unsung Hero: OEL
Your such a comedian keep it up...Site needs more sarcasm and comedians like you..
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13 hours ago, Alflives said:
Hronek is a fabulous player. We are so blessed to have a good GM again who can identify great D (like Gillis did with Errhoff and Hamhuis) and bring in these great players. Hronek was a steal.
I remember these posters on this site when Canucks traded for Miller ? You can't get a top 30 forward Miller W/C for 2nd and 3rd rounders? cost 1st and 2nd..
Has Miller not be good 99 points last season and this season GP 74 - PTS 75 ?
Same with Hronek 25 Top ranked 29th in points and Ranked 14th RD and not pay with 1st rounder and 2nd rounder. ..Thats what you pay?
First rounders don't always turn out? Canucks needed another top D man Hronek solid D man # 1 D man on some teams.
Also if you draft a 1st rounder 18 years old could be 3- 5 years before he is NHL ready.. Pettersson will be 25 in November and Hughes 24 October..
Hronek RD - 25 solid NHL D man PK--PP and log 22--25 mins-- Hronek RD man there so hard to find makes trade that much better,,
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Just now, wildcam said:
So what is your point you base your top 30 NHL D men buy points ?
Can all these guys play PK- PP play very solid defensive zone . Example Barrie not great defensive zone...
Most of these D men are playing with very good players that helps with there points? Did you look at Stats for Detroit players? Larkin and Perron so Hronek 3rd in points when trade was made?
Cant base who are best D men by points ? Scott Stevens was a top D men? I hope you think so..The all around game?
And so be it if Hronek is 29th best NHL player ?? Lets go with that? That means he would be a top # 1 D MAN ON SOME NHL TEAMS?????
How hard is it to find RD man 25 yrs old - Ranked 29th by points ?? Check out that stat for me please??
Sorry I said top 20 D man for your case .. So 29th D man means he is still very good?????
So there's 32 top RHD and he sits 14th....
Thanks..
So Hronek 25 - Ranked 29th in points and 14th best RD man that sounds awesome to me..
Thanks Allvin, very good trade..
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14 hours ago, Dazzle said:
https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/nhl-defensemen-stats.html
We can't be making up stuff if we're going to make a case for something.
He is actually ranked 29th by points.
So what is your point you base your top 30 NHL D men buy points ?
Can all these guys play PK- PP play very solid defensive zone . Example Barrie not great defensive zone...
Most of these D men are playing with very good players that helps with there points? Did you look at Stats for Detroit players? Larkin and Perron so Hronek 3rd in points when trade was made?
Cant base who are best D men by points ? Scott Stevens was a top D men? I hope you think so..The all around game?
And so be it if Hronek is 29th best NHL player ?? Lets go with that? That means he would be a top # 1 D MAN ON SOME NHL TEAMS?????
How hard is it to find RD man 25 yrs old - Ranked 29th by points ?? Check out that stat for me please??
Sorry I said top 20 D man for your case .. So 29th D man means he is still very good?????
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2 minutes ago, Alflives said:
What? Hronek just turned 25 not 20. Steal of a deal by our GM. Kind of like a Gillis move. Very smart.
Hronek is a top 20 NHL D man. .. Not his age..look again.. He is 25 years old turning 26 in November..
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1 hour ago, Alflives said:
Actually we would have to pay more, or (more likely) Hronek isn’t even available. Yzerman found out how valuable Hronek was to their club since gone. Add that to the Islanders’ pick being of lesser value now, at the cost to pry Hronek out of Detroit would be more than we could afford. Thank goodness Allvin made the deal when he did.
Hronek is a top 20 NHL D man and bonus is a RD man, so hard to find and 25 years old another bonus.. Win win..
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21 hours ago, wildcam said:
So much negativity and sarcasm about Hronek.. Hronek played 4 games and played over 20 mins in the games..
Hronek looked good and why play him if shoulder is a little sore... Not making playoffs, great move not playing him any longer..
Hronek will be great for Vancouver...
MARCH 31, 2023 AT 7:56 PM CDT | BY BRIAN LA ROSE 2 COMMENTS
Canucks defenseman Filip Hronek returned to the lineup last week from a shoulder injury but that return was short-lived. Speaking with reporters today at his pregame press conference (video link), head coach Rick Tocchet indicated that they’ve decided to shut the blueliner down for the rest of the season:
There’s really no reason for him to come back. If this were a playoff game, he’d be in the game, but it’s not a playoff game. Every game is important to us obviously, but not at the expense of… he’s going to have a long time to get his shoulder perfect.
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2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:
He hurt his shoulder in the last game before he was traded. Not sure why you are referring to a brain injury...
So much negativity and sarcasm about Hronek.. Hronek played 4 games and played over 20 mins in the games..
Hronek looked good and why play him if shoulder is a little sore... Not making playoffs, great move not playing him any longer..
Hronek will be great for Vancouver...
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21 hours ago, Fred65 said:
I meant it as sarcasim, he's an anchor. Good news is they'll pick up $6 mill when Myers is moved, after his bonus
I agree
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4 hours ago, aznmonk said:
Hope they all pan out then we can get Bedard at rfa.. I think our gm is saving up money... for 1 big pay day maybe McDavid he and his buddy is becoming Ufa pretty soon?
7 hours ago, higgyfan said:Imo, body mass/weight is more important than height. If a player is over 6' and over 200lbs, he should have
no problem with the physical aspect of the game (if he's had decent coaching in that aspect of the game).
Most of the players you have mentioned are in that range (including the younger guys that will likely continue
adding strength to their game).
The smaller players need to have superior speed, IQ and puck-moving skills to be effective in the NHL. Hirose,
Rathbone and Carrol are in that category, but Hirose has a higher skill level and has a better chance of making
the NHL.
The NHL and AHL game is changing and we are seeing a growing number of smaller players (with high IQ,
speed and puck-moving skills), having great careers. Carrol will probably have a similar career as Rathbone
and make his mark in the AHL.
At no point was I saying smaller players can't play in the NHL ? You need size and grit if a team is making the playoffs and we have very few gritty player 200 lbs??
Burroughs 6'0 -195 very gritty and tough -- Juulson 6'2 205 can play that way at times.... both players are really # 6--8 on depth chart.
Hughes - Hronek - Bear -- OEL - Wolanin-- Johansson --All of these player don't play with much grit except maybe Hronek..
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1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said:
Hirose and Rathbone battling it out for the #3LD?
1. Hughes - ______ UFA or trade big gritty stay at home D man under 27. --- IF not Bear will start there --- Juulsen 6'2
2.OEL LD --- Hronek RD
3. Wolanin LD --Johansson 23 - 6'2 RD -- 7.Juulsen 25. RD - 8.Burroughs LD 9. Brisebois LD - 10 -Rathbone 23 -- 11. Hirose 23
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1 hour ago, Fred65 said:
Just waiting for OEL getting moved
OEL will not be moved full no trade clause? Do you remember 3 yrs ago when Coyotes tried to move OEL and he would accept trade to Vancouver and Boston?
Vancouver had Coyotes in the corner and then lost the deal?
Vancouver give 3 players making 3 million each expiring at end of that season?
Vancouver take OEL and 6 yrs at 7.2 million - --Garland gets added
Vancouver give 1st rounder 9th O/A -- 2nd rounder. ...
Can't see Vancouver buy OEL out until last 2 yrs of his deal.. Big hit against cap in year 2 and 3 of buyout..
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22 hours ago, Quantum said:
With Andy Carroll signing with Abbotsford and Akito getting an ELC, I really do wonder if Jake Livingstone signs here to complete the trilogy of Minnesota-Mankato signings this Spring for the Canucks.
This is a good signing. I suspect Wolanin will be on the NHL roster all season next season so I expect Hirose will get the opportunity to be on the top pairing in Abbotsford next season.
Allvin/Rutherford are going to slow cook these prospects. The days of rushing a player into the lineup seem to be over and that's for the best.
Well Carrol small already 26 years old 5'11 bottom of Canuck prospect pool...We need some bigger D men..
1. Johansson RD -23 - 6'1 2. E. Pettersson 20 -6'3.-- 3.Jurmo 20--6'3 -210 LBS -- Kudryavstev 19 - LD
AHL prospects - Wolanin 27 LD 6'1 Juulsen 25 -6'2 RD --Brisebois. 25 LD --Woo 22 RD --Rathbone 23. LD. -- Hirose 23 LD
Schneemann 21 -6'2 - Nychuk 21. (( Carrol 26 -5'11 -LD ????? Bottom of prospect 26 turning pro...
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6 hours ago, Blitz-Pix said:
Canucks Cap hits
Hughs $7.85 million - Hronek $4.4 Million
OEL - $8.25 milliobn . Bear $2.2 Million?
Gavrikov $5 -6 Million - Myers $6 Million
Thats approx $36 million on 6 D...or $12 million per pairing. Something has to give we can't go the UFA route and pay Myers and OEL.
We need cost controlled ELC's to start moving into the line up.
Myers will be easy to move after his 5 million dollar bonus is paid out July 1st....Myers will be gone..
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5 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:
I'm not sure Juulsen is a good enough skater. He's good for right now though.
(next year)
Hughes - ???
OEL - Hronek
Dermott (?) - Bear
Rathbone - Johansson
Wolanin - Burroughs
Brisebois - Juulsen
LTIR - Poolman
I think Myers gets traded.
Dermott will be gone..
Poolman LTIR.
Myers traded after July 1st- 5 million signing bonus will be paid..Team under cap will be interested as only 1 million owing with 6 million cap hit..Will help lower team reach this.
Teams like Coyotes, Ducks..
Bear 1 yr X 2.3 million -- Show me more deal
1. Hughes -- Bear RD
2. OEL -- Hronek. RD
3. Wolanin -- Johansson RD --- 7. Burroughs LD 8. Juulsen RD -- Brisebois LD -- Vancouver will try and sigh another stay at home D man for Hughes ?
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On 3/23/2023 at 11:48 AM, Dixon Ward said:
I am a Kelowna Rockets fan and want Cal Foote to be a success. However, he is 6.5 225lbs and is 24 but hasn't got his career going. I am not saying he is a bust, but I am not sure he brings any more than Juulsen. If we are able to land Livingstone, I think that he might have more upside. We also have to deal Myers and Poolman moreso than Garland.
I agree with you 100 %, I really thought Foote would of been a top 4 D man by 24. He went to Nashville and basically playing 15 mins a game.
Juulsen 25 - 6'2--200lbs has been playing very well in 12 games beside Hughes.
Some people are saying Foote has more value then Garland?? Sorry Garland is a top 6 forward on lots of teams and Foote is a # 6 or # 7 D man right now.
I really think Filip Johansson 23--6'1 -190 lbs -RD might make Canucks out of training camp?
Would really like to see Vancouver sign a free agent D man out of college..Maybe Livingstone 23 - 6'3 - RD one of the best D men in college...
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Just now, wildcam said:
Not sure if Foote 24 - 6'4 - 215 lbs is a top pairing D man?
Might get Livingstone 6'3 RD when NCAA tourney is over?
Foote is averaging 15.3 minutes on Nashville.. Hope Foote becomes a top 4 D man one day..I would trade for Foote he does add size and toughness and a RD men are hard to find..
Josi 25 mins - Barrie 21 mins -- McDonagh - 21 mins. -- Carrier 18 mins - Fabbro 16.5 -- Lauzon 16.5 --Foote 15.3
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On 3/22/2023 at 8:58 PM, BigTramFan said:
To VAN: Cal Foote
To NSH: Conor Garland
Why for NSH?
Nashville trade a 3rd pairing Dman for a top 6 winger. After trading away Granlund and Niederreiter at the TDL, they could do with some more top 6 talent. NSH have depth at RD in Carrier, Barrie and Fabbro.
Why for VAN?
Foote has potential to be a top 4 Dman. He is big and is a defensively responsible player. VAN resigns Foote (RFA) to a $2.15m x 2 years contract. If anyone beats that with an offer sheet, then we receive a 2nd round pick as compensation. Foote has potential to be our long term partner for Hughes.
My preference is also to resign Schenn as a UFA so that Hughes has both Foote and Schenn to pair with until such time that Foote can handle the 5v5 minutes.
D next season:
Hughes Foote
OEL Hronek
Brisebois Schenn
(Wolanin Burroughs Juulsen)
Thoughts?
Not sure if Foote 24 - 6'4 - 215 lbs is a top pairing D man?
Might get Livingstone 6'3 RD when NCAA tourney is over?
Foote is averaging 15.3 minutes on Nashville.. Hope Foote becomes a top 4 D man one day..I would trade for Foote he does add size and toughness and a RD men are hard to find..
Jost 25 mins - Barrie 21 mins -- McDonagh - 21 mins. -- Carrier 18 mins - Fabbro 16.5 -- Lauzon 16.5 --Foote 15.3
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34 minutes ago, Heretic said:
Tell me again why there's a trade deadline?
Yes maybe trade can be made just not NHL or AHL players ?? Haven't played pro games? Maybe ?
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On 3/17/2023 at 3:22 PM, Neutral said:
I agree Bo got over paid, glad it wasn't us. We coul have used him but for around 7m at most imo.
The key thing people are forgetting to mention when comparing stats is NYI are winning quite a bit since Bo arrived AND Barzal has been injured for most of that time. Take Pettersson away from Vancouver's lineup and do you honestly think Beau's stats are as good as they are?!? Chances are they would be lower without a healthy Petey
I have always thought Horvat is a very good player say GP 75 - G 26-30 --PTS 60-65 PTS-- WORTH 6.9--7.4 million X 8 yrs
Horvát was on a pace for 60 G-- 96 PTS at one point.... He is not a 70 point guy. His pace is more normal now.
2022-23 Van. - GP 49 - G 31 - PTS 54 -- One time thing.
2022-23 NYI - Gp 19- G 5 - PTS 9 ---36 point pace now playing under pace he should be at -- ( 60--65 point guy )
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5 hours ago, Paul-walker said:
The management complains there are no prospects in system but we have all these players playing for different clubs overseas when they should be playing for ahl team instead and see how they play on the North American ice before saying anything.
Mcdoughn playing for ncaaLekkerimaki playing for shl
Pettersson playing for Swedish team koskenvuo playing in Finland and Harvard forsell playing in Sweden
johansson playing in Sweden
plus much more.
I would like to see them playing at least for ahl to see what they can do and if they fail you can always send them back.
Let me know what you think.
Never heard such a think? If anything 15 months ago new management said there going to hire a staff to develop there prospects.They have hired so many ex players and new scouts and Abby is looking much better..
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3 hours ago, Citizen Erased said:
This is the first I heard of management being upset at a lack of prospects playing in Abbotsford.
Did someone in management actually say that or is the author of the thread just assuming?
I agree never heard anything about complaining? If anything 15 months ago the said they will build a staff to develop there prospect and they have hired so many ex players and scouts to develop .. Look at at the prospect that have stepped into Canucks lineup from Abby and have done very good?
To mention a few, Wolanin LD , Juulsen RD , Brisebois LD, Di Giuseppe W, Aman C, Silovs G
[Signing] Canucks sign Cole McWard
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The McWard signing is awesome Cole 21 - 6'1 - 192 lbs RD had a good season as 21 year old.. If. McWard played another 2 seasons every NHL team would be after hime and he might of been the top player available in 2 years.. So awesome Canucks can develop him in Abby for next 1.5 years and he might be NHL ready...
I could see McWard in 2yrs getting much stronger 6'1 - 205 lbs ..