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Bad memory you have there, people were freaking out about our 1st, tons of people were freaking out about it, and it started in the media.. I can actually prove that, I remember it well, it would be in my content because of all the flack, my argument then and still is to this day, 1st round picks are never a sure thing where JT Miller was/is.. he was obviously worth 2 first round picks but yet the anti JB crowd couldn't get it out there fast enough after the media started it all. What a joke!

Oh they can't? Weren't you paying attention to how we got fleeced on the JT Miller deal? The media and fans jumped all over it yet they were what? Wrong! We were the ones who fleeced a top line player for chump change compared to the 9+ mil and UP others he was toe to toe in the scoring derby, first year he finished, I think a point or 2 behind Ovie, yet fans and media couldn't be bothered to think for themselves and actually take a look at his skill set and a lot more that makes him head and shoulders above most player's but yeah let's forget all about that right? If that's not enough for you, I don't know what is, and like I said, I didn't like some of what JB did either but there's moves he made that brought us to where we are today, and JR proved that when he said we are close to being a solid contender, so how is it we're even close if JB did everything wrong? We should have finished 32 nd in the league and would have been blown out 10-0 by TO x 2 but we beat beat them x 2.. and other top teams as well so if what your saying is true that never would happened or even close. So r u serious?? That's funny!

Maybe if it actually meant anything worth more than a Russian ruble! So you pointed out there's hundreds of clueless fans out there, I'd argue there's thousands instead, they all agreed with the clueless media about JT Miller, yeah we got screwed over on that one bigtime didn't we? Seemed like there were thousands of plates of crow served up on king sized plates ever since and I laugh even harder every time he scores a goal or an assist and that's pretty much every game, which is always a good chuckle.. So just because there's a lot of people out there that can't think for themselves so they let the media do it for them and parrot it like it's the truth without question, might as well believe every last thing the government tell you is true too right? Well let me tell you there hundreds of thousands who do but doesn't mean their right does it?! because a lot of the government rhetoric is just plain b.s. but if your too stupid to question it, then guess what? They'll just keep on doing it! Much like the bush league media and commentator's like JG.. this has been going on for over 4O years so you want to talk about kool-aid.. Hope that's not too overwhelming for you!

Well if we trade our picks for soft highly skilled players to add to the ones we have, which will probably happen, fans will demand it and we'll start all over again. No cup and not one anytime soon... And as far as JV goes, no one can just when someone will mature, or not, no GM or a psychologist can know for sure BUT if you don't think he had all the tools to be an elite NHL player - his brains then you'd be just like him, clueless..

Like Vancouver would stand for building something.. pffft too funny..

Canucks army writers??? Are you f'n kidding me?? Omg that was the best laugh I've had in weeks, your kidding right? Their as bad as the media in Vancouver and their clueless AT BEST and they agreed with the mainstream media that we got screwed on JT Miller.. yeah such a bum wasn't worth what we paid for him him!!! Good grief.. that's like comparing John Garrett to Ken Hodge, b.s. compared to the real deal. BUT I'm still laughing so thanks for that, that's actually serious, needed a laugh today for real. Ok so anyway it leads me to this last comment, if you get your $&!#e from reading hacks online and in the Vancouver media to get some sort of take on what's going on, dude you need to look elsewhere because your not going to get it from where your looking, half the people in the CDC could write better than those schmucks..

So Gillis got us close one year... Count it, won't take long ONE f'n year, wooo frickin whooo! And that systematically screwed us, along with Lou's recapture, we were handcuffed with that all the way up to this year, throw in another 2 mil with that and presto we have enough to sign a really good RHD which we sorely needed so it's bitten us in the a$$ and that's only part of the bigger picture that people forget to look at, dude we were screwed no matter how you look at it and the Sedins were the only thing keeping us half way from embarrassment. And then the broken beat up players on the roster that didn't have a lot of life left in them but were locked in and were happy with their situation even if it screwed us. Thank you MG for that! Who wants a one trick pony for a one off that cripples the franchise for years? I'll add covid that screwed us worse than most teams (not all) but the lost cap we should have gotten would have at least helped until Lou's 3 mil was off the books... I'm not saying JB didn't make his share of rookie mistakes but learned as he went along and AT LEAST tried to get through it and get us a team that wasn't a one and done shot. How many years have we seen that worked towards and just to fall flat because of no depth, I've been watching since day one in 1974, trust me when I tell this has never changed even though it never works, fans and media need to stop demands of a single cup instead of a term contender for it year in and year out. Tired of the first round exits and have to watch while yet another team gets to hoist the cup. I'm tired of that, really I'am, and others are too.

You mean in 4 don't you?

No you actually proved my point but your mistaken on the first part, good teams don't sell off all their assets for a roster that's good but with no depth unless your JB trying to ice a team that's putting butts in the stands with what he inherited, which was absolute chit if memory serves you correctly and there wasn't any long contracts that players just decided to walk away from, why? Everyone knows you have to be overpaid to play here unless your super young and haven't been snapped up by the big teams. As the last ones came off, he started to keep the picks and develop them, like any team, some worked out and some didn't. JV no, Bo yes, Podz yes, OJ no, Podz yes, Demko yes.. And that's not counting the maybe's like Hogs so he did his best with what he had and that's not even starting on Loungo and his -3 mil for us for us right up to this season...Then covid On top of that so no 10 mil to help sign Toffi and upgrade a roster spot or 2 Before that, at the time, he had to keep us at relevant with re-signing the Twins to pass on leadership skills to Bo etc, which may or may not have done under different circumstances. Personally I think it was a big mistake myself but it worked in the short term, always people wanted to see them and sold out games. Actually as far as JB is concerned, I have a lot of respect for the man for taking the job in the first place because of the joke franchise we've always had and always will have unless we stop overpaying and actually trade for picks not players because of the fact that players HAVE to be overpaid to come to Canada to play unless their drafts or young prospects, but this all means nothing from either of our point of view unless we stop icing a butter soft or close to it. THAT!! Is our problem and always has been and the one really good tough roster that went up against the B's had next to zero depth because of, wait for it... Selling the farm.. AGAIN!! Lmao! People just don't think things through, if we missed the playoffs for next 3-4 seasons then have a every year contender for a cup for the next 10 years? Most I'm sure would say no.. as they have in the past without even thinking it through. And when ownership shares that way of thinking, we're F'd! So my question to you is, depending on how long of a fan you have been, when has this ever been different? Actually nevermind, I'll just say it, it's never been.. proof? No cup... Without toughening up this roster and keeping and trading for picks and letting guys like Podz filter in and balancing out skill and toughness with depth then no matter what any GM does, it won't matter, it won't change anything. I wish it was different but it's the same old..

The last sentence you said there was the biggest bit of b.s. I've ever read since "burrows do we really need him?" The only thing that's on JB in a negative way is actually feeling any pressure from a lot local fans and media who don't know much except to make noise like talking (clueless) heads. Who, by the way, have been up in arms about even a thought it mention of the word re-build, the word re-tool had people freaking out let rebuild. So let me clue you in on this fun fact, THIS is not new! At least JB tried to build a team as the old contracts came off instead of the same old BS of buying a roster for the umpteenth time that fails due to selling the farm, again, as usual. So where we stand now, if management actually has a set of balls big enough to ignore fans, bush league media and goofy colour commentator's, we might actually have a team that has more than a one year window of a cup every 10-20 years. This is getting kind of old no?

Nice to see brains in action for a change! Good on you sir, nowhere near enough out there!

That's actually pretty funny, everyone knew all that long before JR and co. showed up, even quite a few here on the boards knew the team that hobbled out of the 2012 season was a $hit show that was broken beyond belief and no depth, that even now still affects this team. However despite the percentage of Canuck fans who are as clueless and dumb as a post when it comes to seeing the big picture surrounding the Canadian hockey market, had any brains at all, would have realized what an uphill battle we were about to try to climb with the proverbial one hand tied behind the back in the form of our even worse clueless government chasing business out of Canada with it's pathetic tax laws and a lot better destinations that players actually want to go, not have to be seriously overpaid to go. And then there's us, Vancouver, what a joke, possibly the worst bush league media is on the planet and classless fans throwing a jersey on the ice or rioting, not to mention acting like lil kids, actually lil kids act better most of the time. And as far as Linden goes, yet another rookie trying to fill a role he just couldn't fill, again thanks to no experience as a director of hockey ops but yet there he was. Awesome guy and player BUT not an experienced hockey ops guy in the least. Lack of structure? Omg that would have meant Aquaman actually hiring people who were seasoned professionals for a change that took him all this time to get it through his head that cheaping out never works, finally he got it, I actually was quite amazed he brought in JR and BB. In the end, JB made their job a lot easier with handing over a team that beat some of the top teams in the league who were/are a cpl of upgrades to be a real contender year in and year out for the first time in franchise history IF they toughen up this roster with hard-nosed skilled guys, I doubt it and we'll stay in the same old b.s. of trying hard for a one trick pony shot at a cup. Nothing new here YET, they can say all the right things but if they don't have the balls to tell the status quo to suck it up and let them BUILD a team for a change. Get used to a lot more of close, but never winning $hit.

If we get at least 2 more, ok nevermind I'd say 3 at least of schenn's but it won't happen. Unless this changes and we toughen up, nothing is going to change, we've been on the "soft" road which doesn't get anywhere when going gets tough. OR we get a bigger tougher team with NO depth, neither one is a cup winner. End of story... Until we get tougher WITH depth, cup? Nope, and not anytime soon.

I don't have to, it's obvious, JR said it himself, we're one of the better teams in the league and close to being a legit contender, that speaks for itself in what JB did, so he's wrong and doesn't know $&!#e? And for the scouts, he could have said no and picked someone else but that's why they were working for him, plus re-signed Ian Clark who is arguably one of the best Goalie coaches in the world. The only true mistake was listening to media and fans who are the last ones who he should have listened to because both know pretty much zero, if he didn't both to let the pressure get in the way of some of the things he did wrong because of that, like most of the fan base screaming for a top player to put with the Twins, ala LE, who by the way was rated at about 5th or 6th on the tip free agents available at the time was a good example of what fans and media THINK they know. Same with Rous and Beags, Rous for his grit because Vancouver loves their soft skilled roster that looks great during the season then flops in the playoffs. So he filled a hole on the second line with some grit but Rous got injured which can happen to anyone. Beags? Leadership void to fill when the Twins left in retirement. I sincerely hope JR takes a polite road and says to media and fans to go F themselves and finish off this last bit of upgrading for some toughness and farm depth, not with soft players as usual or the end result will be the same as it's been for the last 40+ years. Yeah I actually noticed what JB was trying to do here and he almost made it but there's the rest of the league looking for the exact same thing as us and that hasn't changed and won't. I guess you haven't noticed how hard it is to ice a great team in Canada when NY, LA, etc. etc.etc. have first picks of all the teams who the best players want to go to because of Taxes and chance to win a cup. And I guess you didn't notice us beating T.O. x 2 this year? If JB was so bad at his job, there's no way in hell we would have been able to come close to doing that. We would have gotten blown out 9-0 both games if what you claim is true.. Yeah I pay attention to whoever is at the helm of this team no matter who it is, whatever their thoughts and ways are have obvious repercussions on the ice so why wouldn't I? I've been a fan since 10 years old in 1974 and watched what Bud Poile to Jake Milford on and on all the way up to today. And each one took their turn at bending over to the public and media pressure, some more than others but look where it got us.. and until that changes, nothing will, so if the best you can do is nitpick GM's mistakes and highlight them instead of realistically seeing we finally have a pretty good team that's a cpl of trades and depth away from actually getting in contention more than one f'n season every 10+ years or so, go ahead.. keep it up! Lmao! P.S. I never said Benning was perfect, he made rookie GM mistakes, but he was a rookie GM, want to blame someone for that? Blame Aquaman, he's the one who hired a rookie no matter who it was.. but regardless of his mistakes, we ended up with a pretty damn good team that beat some top tier teams without a cpl of upgrades we need.

Yeah JB sucked! We have Demko who couldn't stop a puck to save his life, JT should just retire all he ever does is cruise and wait for a paycheck, Bo? Captain, yeah he couldn't captain a canoe, and Alien? Omg that guy needs to give up hockey and head home in his spaceship. Hughes? Omfg! A pylon could get around Him! Martin? Even worse than Demko? Maybe.. Podz? Omg what a fail! He might get a 7 round pick because he just sucks THAT bad!! OEL and Garland garbage? Your kidding right? Who the F would want those 2? ALL horrible moves!! Like WTF??? Omg JB what were you thinking?? Good grief! JR is wrong about this team, what does he know?? Those cup rings are fake!! fake I tell you! P.S. only a fool couldn't see our team is a good team beating some of the best teams in the league without even had a full season together yet with all the new additions, JB did just fine, yeah like any other GM had to have a learning curve just like new players coming in and obviously JR knows it but we're a lot closer than some people can fathom.. meh.. whatever

Well if people didn't baffle you that would be a bigger problem.. that would make you one of them with nothing better to do which I think has something to do with it, not all but some. Welcome to canuckville though right? Bitch whine complain moan and wahhhh without putting a brain cell in gear.. sigh.. lmao, this isn't going to change anytime soon though, got a good bowl of popcorn? The drama never ends... Why? Nothing will ever be good enough, not 10-20 Stanley cups, some would complain that each series for a cup wasn't a 4-0 sweep each time and it was all luck... And I HAVE to through this in to end it, remember the whiners crying when JB picked up the steal of his career in JT Miller? Omg I still laugh about that, idiots!

So we got JT for a song, guess he f'd that up didn't he? And yeah he approves scouring reports for picks but he didn't have to, he could have easily said no but he didn't. And he actually tried and built a team for a change instead of the pathetic useless way of trying to buying a roster like our useless reg season teams with zero depth! Like that worked well didn't it. JR nailed it when he said we were close, a lot closer than we ever have been to a team that's not a one trick pony and idiots wondering why we don't have a single cup and whine about it.. like DUH!

I had to laugh when I read where Rutherford said the team is really close to being a playoff team with the right players coming in. Well that's true, and thanks to Jim Benning for that, yeah he made rookie GM mistakes but that was to be expected since this was his first GM gig. However he pulled off some decent deals to get us super close to where we are now and you'd have thought that was obvious to everyone but not even close, lots of people were/are to dense to get it. So when a Stanley cup winning GM says it's close, it's close. So hats off to JB for hanging around to try to finish what he started despite lots of clueless fans (not all) and bush league media in Vancouver, especially the f'n loser who threw his Canucks jersey on the ice. Well done JB! For the fans who kept on waiting for things to be worked on and finished, much like where we are now, thanks for being smarter than the average wannabe fan that only listens to the media. Good on ya! GCG!

Exactly, that's what I meant. I guess I should have specified that better but I still hope it happens. I've lost both my parents many years ago so I feel for Boes, so that was my thinking behind that, wish I had more time with them but I hope others get more with theirs until the clock stops.

Not if one gets a fair return and it works for both teams equally, and do someone a solid at the same time is possible. Hardly ever happens but not to say it isn't possible under the right circumstances but of course it would be a bad idea to get ripped harshly over it, I'm not saying that or meant to..

Oh that was troubling to read, not sure term is a good idea at this point. We need that cap space for a Dman, getting scored against is what we need before goal scoring by miles! Lots of miles! Not happy with this at all.. I live flow but not THAT much, not for the sake of more goals opposed to a lot more goals and against and if we have an asset to trade to help that and don't use it, I'm so not a fan of that...

I'm all for trading Flow but with one stipulation, up to me, trade him to the Wild, where he can be near his dad and we get Dumba in return and his cap is 6 mil. That, or, RHD prospect(s) or picks or mixture of both. Our problem usually isn't a scoring one, it's keeping it out of our own net and not having to have superhuman efforts by goalies every game which eventually fails or wears a goalie tandem down in a long season that can still go a lot further and in the playoffs, the lack of a more rested pair is an obvious dis-advantage. We would always be in the former unless our D gets straightened out with depth for a change. Losing guys like Tanev, Salo, and Edler for stretches of time lost us a lot of games due to no depth and we need to have that or stay the same, no cup or not even close..

That or a comet that's 2,0000,000 miles wide it and a 10 trillion mile long tail might ruin our day lol not to mention a random black hole of dark matter would "suck" for us too lol and yet we worry about the smallest things.. yikes

True, but we all die, so in the end does that even matter? I'm not sure it's 100% human nature, some of it seems to be learned greed.. you know, keeping up with the Jones' newest best thing.. and sadly the environment can't sustain 8 billion people doing it or trying to, I don't think that's everyone since I've seen the so-called losers who just have what they need a lot happier than folks who have way more than they need.. damn this is depressing me! Right up there with the Canucks selling the farm for a roster, and wondering will it ever stop? Things that make you go Hmmmm?

Well that could be true because of red tape burocracy BUT how long have we had to do it already? Even with slow government it could have been done years ago but doesn't it make you wonder why not?