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  1. retain 25% on OEL, eat 1.815M for the remainder of the contract and get a modest return. That makes him available at a 5.4M cap hit, which is more than reasonable for OEL even at his age. We'd get a good return. 

     

    DO NOT buyout Garland. If he is good enough to be traded, trade him. If not, retain and wait for his value to increase.

     

    Trade Schenn, Boeser, Horvat and Miller. Retain Myers until his contract year, than move him at the aforementioned deadline.

     

    Bury Poolman and Stillman. 

     

    Re-sign Kuzmenko. 

     

    There's my plan. 

  2. With OEL, if we retain 1M on his contract than that's a 6.25M contract, which is good value for a defenseman of his caliber. We could get a great return.

     

    With Horvat, you'd have to think Colorado or Columbus would be a great destination. With the Jackets, they won't give up Johnson or Jiricek but they might be willing to forfeit Sillinger. If they were willing, we'd have to move Horvat to them. Then there's Schenn and Kuzmenko, both of whom will fetch a good return. In the offseason, Miller, Boeser, OEL, Myers and Garland should all be candidates to get moved. At the deadline though, you focus on moving Horvat, Schenn and Kuz. 

     

    PS if we can get Newhook and/or Byram as part of the return for Bo, we've got a great situation. Byram could be groomed to replace OEL and Newhook is a hometown guy and probably a good 2C down the road. 

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  3. I would do Horvat to the Jackets for Johnson, Peeke and a 2nd. I would also move Boeser, Garland, Myers, Pearson and OEL and I would re-sign Kuzmenko, Schenn, Dermott, Bear and Hoglander. 

     

    OEL would be tricky to move but I bet if we threw in a pick or two to the acquiring team as well as retaining $1 Million we could probably move him without as much trouble. I know eating $1 Million for the next half a decade isn't ideal but OEL doesn't jive with the age of our core, which will be built around Podkolzin, Hoglander, Pettersson, Hughes, Demko and Lekkerimaki. 

     

     

  4. So I'm hearing a lot of stuff that I agree with and a lot of stuff I don't, so here's my take: 

     

    1. Trading Miller wasn't a good use of a first. Yes, that's right. Someone said it isn't about whose available at 20OV and they're right, because we would've picked higher. We could've had one of a 20-year-old Schneider, Jarvis, Lundell, Perfetti, Rossi or even a Raymond instead of a 28-year-old JT Miller. This same person also said it wasn't a time for a player like Miller to be acquired. Sure, he insulated Pettersson but now we're going to have to let the young guys play and cut some guys loose and I don't think having Miller age out faster than they can compete is the right move. 
    2. At the start of the thread someone said the return for Ryan Kesler was good, with Bonino, Sbisa and a 1st coming the other way. That first turned into Jared McCann, who is one of Seattle's leading scorers. Right now, McCann could probably play wing or center with Pettersson. He was also drafted by Benning. Also, the return for McCann, which was a 2nd (Rasmus Asplund), McCann and a 4th (Jonathan Ang) for Erik Gudbranson. Gudbranson was supposed to be acquired to be partnered with Quinn Hughes. I get the logic, but McCann should've been part of the plan when he came in he was more promising than Cody Hodgson. Than we'll talk about Sbisa, who was a good third pairing guy that we lost to Vegas. Not a big loss and you don't flip players hours or even months after you acquire them unless it's a three-way trade, so we wouldn't have gotten anything for Sbisa and we could've lost something else to Vegas. Now let's talk about Bonino. We traded him to Pittsburgh with Clendening for Sutter, along with a few picks exchanged (ANA 2nd 2016 acquired for Kevin Bieksa was traded with Bonino in exchange for Sutter and VAN 3rd 2016). So, what am I getting at here? Bonino played on the HBK line and helped the Penguins win a championship. In my opinion, we could've flipped Bonino at the deadline in 2016 or 2017 for a first, second or good prospect. I just thought it was bad asset management and worth noting. 
    3. Juolevi over Tkachuk? In excusable. Virtanen over Ehlers, W. Nylander, Fiala, Larkin, etc.? Terrible. Two blown top 10 picks. Just curious, has anyone heard of Carolina or Tampa or Anaheim or Ottawa blowing any of these picks? Because, they don't. Well, every team does but our team does it the most. It's improved under Benning after those dark years with Gillis, but it just hasn't been enough. He's gotten some guys in the later rounds, most notably Rathbone but who really knows if he'll stick. I hope he's good or if not we can move him for something that'll improve the team, but right now we're in the dark ages. 
    4. I wanted to circle back to the McCann/Gudbranson/Asplund deal and explain part of the reason why it was so bad. If we have McCann, we don't need Miller. If we don't need Miller, we have our first in 2020. We don't have Pearson either, but if don't trade for Gudbranson than we can draft Rasmus Asplund instead of having Pearson. With our first in 2020, we select Anton Lundell. Voila: 

    Lundell Pettersson Boeser

    Hoglander Horvat Garland

    Podkolzin McCann Dickinson/Asplund

     

    5, Letting Markstrom, Toffoli and Tanev go, than signing Schmidt and Holtby for more money and than getting gutted by Calgary. All we would've had to do was keep Tanev, saved the pick we used to acquire Schmidt and signed Toffoli for the same amount of money he got in Montreal. Tanev could play with Hughes, maybe we let Edler walk maybe we don't. With Toffoli and Tanev, I'm confident we would've made the playoffs this year. We would've fallen off a cliff this year without the additions of Garland and OEL but the team still would've had a better season last year. 

     

    That's what I have to say. Hope everyone stays safe. Let's hope the new GM really hits the ground running. 

     

     

     

     

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  5. For our new management? 

     

    For me, this team is totally composed poorly. What we need is another top six forward, a center that can push Pettersson to the wing where he's a much more productive player. Connor Geekie is available around where we're picking, if we pick ahead of Seattle we could have a shot at Mathew Savoie. This year's draft is very strong and I feel like moving two of these four: Pearson, Horvat, Boeser and even Miller and going with a younger group next year could be beneficial. Our core is very young, but the complimentary players not so much. Horvat is already in his prime, so is Miller and we're not even close to contending. I don't think that's a good sign. 

     

     

  6. Alright, so I'll bite. 

     

    This team cannot trade Horvat. He is our captain, he was the first player picked in our rebuild. He's definitely a solid second line center, so when Pettersson enters his prime he'll be supplemented well. I don't see how trading from a position of weakness, center, in order to restock the cupboards again for 2-3 years down the road makes any sense. Could the team use a shakeup? Yes. Miller, Boeser, and Pearson are the only three viable forwards that could feasibly be traded. There's a lot of teams looking for wingers or looking to make a shakeup, but if I'm Vancouver's GM I'm looking at Kevin Fiala. If I'm dangling Pearson, I'm looking at Jake DeBrusk. Finally, for JT Miller I'd ship him off to the Rangers for a cornucopia for picks and prospects.

     

    Either way, if there's an option to make a shakeup, I fire the Head Coach first and replace him with someone in-house for the remainder of the season. After that, we'll bring in a new manager and new coach and we'll have a better team. Klimovich and Woo might be ready to make it next year and our younger players will be a year older. 

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  7. On 11/12/2021 at 4:28 AM, Patel Bure said:

    I hear you with regards to Kane.  Just seems so tempting given his hockey skill set.  Even for a guy like Kane, you’d have to believe that he wouldn’t screw this up if he was given one last shot.  Similar to Tony DeAngelo in Carolina?  But can you imagine?

     

    E.Kane-Pettersson-Boeser

    Miller-Horvat-Hoglander

    Podkolzin-Dickinson-Garland

     

    Would be an incredible Top 9.  
     

    As far as Babcock goes, I’m not sure I’d feel comfortable with him coaching us, and I realize that I’m saying this after having just endorsed Evander.  For coaching, I would rather go with Claude Julien or Bruce Brudreau.  

    Evander Kane is going to be an anchor in the ilk of LE21 if we trade for him. Stay the course, maybe look at bringing in Max Domi at the deadline if we do well, maybe getting another forward like a center or another LHD or another RHD. We're set in goal and basically on the wing, but the center and defensive positions need more depth if we want to be a contender. On paper, this team is better than what it shows so far. 

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  8. 1 hour ago, Patel Bure said:

    Agreed.  

     

    Personally?  At this current juncture, I'm thinking the following:

     

    1) Fire Green and hire either Julien or Bruce Budreau

     

    2) Bite the bullet and take a calculated risk in trading for Evander Kane.

    `1) Maybe fire Green and pay Mike Babcock what he wants to really turn this team around. I'm not talking about what he did in Toronto or Detroit, I'm talking about Anaheim. The composition of our team to that team, with Paul Kariya (Brock Boeser), Petr Sykora (Garland), Steve Rucchin (Horvat), Oates (Pettersson), Chistov (Podkolzin), Giguere (Demko), Niclas Havelid (Q. Hughes), Keith Carney (Poolman and Matt Cullen (Dickinson). Really similar teams and I think Babcock can grow with this group. 

     

    2) I wouldn't touch Evander Kane with a ten foot poll 

     

    3) If not Babcock and if we keep Green, We certainly can't make another trade, we had the busiest offseason ever. Getting rid of Travis Green is probably the only thing to jolt the team which I don't really like because getting rid of the coach is just a PR move it doesn't usually change much. Bottom line, we get a new coach and if the team gets better, that's great and if not Benning is out of the job. If we miss the playoffs this year, Benning and Green are fired, so is Weisbrod and we've got a new a brand new regime next year to take this team into a new dawn. 

     

     

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  9. Patel, stop trading all our picks. We need those picks. Without the picks, we're in trouble. I mean really. 

     

    Think about it in 2015 we get Boeser at 23OA. If we'd had another pick in that round, chances are it would've been a slam dunk. You make a good pick, and it's a microcosm for the rest of the team. Look at Klimovich. Oh man what a pick. I was hearing about this guy and I thought there's no way we get him but boom he falls to our pick at #41. Picking so low every year just isn't sustainable. Benning has had some big wins though. He may have not gotten a hit with Virtanen or Juolevi, but he still picked McCann and even though he didn't do to well here he's now one of Seattle's top point getters. Then there's Forsling, who plays on Florida. He picked him and then shipped him off for Clendening.

     

    After that, there's the picks he's traded that could've done well. I'm talking about Hugo Alnefelt, Theodor Niederbach, Rasmus Asplund, Rasmus Andersson, whoever gets picked with the second we traded for next year which will probably be someone good, Seriously folks, I've just got to say no more trading picks. Lets say we finish 3rd in the Pacific, we draw Calgary in the first round, we bounce them, we move on to play a team like Vegas and lose because they have Eichel now. We wouldn't lose badly, we might even have a chance but it'd be tight. Then, we've got the a pick I'd say between 24th, and 27th. That's a good pick. What if Jack D Hughes fell to us? Nathan Gaucher? Good you imagine Elias Salomonsson? A Swedish guy filling an organizational need. I've got to tell you, but we need that pick. 

     

     

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  10. 11 hours ago, BigTramFan said:

    They have traded away the likes of Krebs, Suzuki, Glass. They still have some young prospects like Dugan, Brisson and Chayka but how long will it be til they're ready and will they be impactful? Vegas very much following the Toronto/Oilers models with a few very highly paid core players. Perhaps a little more balance with better defenders than TOR and EDM.

     

    I don't think they will be a forgotten team for a while yet. Next season will be another difficult one to make the cap work though, because they have a bunch of RFAs to resign (Hague could be expensive). I think they are going to have to rely on bringing in some league minimum aging vets that want to have a crack at a Cup (similar to the Perry, Thornton, Spezza contracts in recent years).

     

    Then in 2023-24 the Pacioretty and Dadonov contracts end, so that will be another critical point where they likely let them walk, clear some cap and look to bring in some cheaper younger talent. 

    And that'll be Vegas' time to rebuild for a couple of years. Either that or they'll have to hit some aces at the draft table and I'm pretty sure McCrimmon was a GM in the CHL, so he can probably find some guys. 

     

    Vegas top four and top six are now cup contender worthy, but their goaltending not so much. Depending on Lehner? That's iffy. Brossoit is definitely a reliable backup but Lehner has had his ups and downs. I would've thought it wiser to let Lehner walk, keep Fleury and find the money for Dadonov elsewhere. Then they trade Schmidt for a third, he'd probably usually be worth at least a first or two 2nds, like Toews from the Islanders to the Avs. Somehow, Schmidt gets traded into two of these cap dump scenarios, first with Pietrangelo and the Knights and then OEL and the Canucks. Anyways, I just don't like some of these moves for Vegas. Suzuki for Patches? No. Bad move. Suzuki would've made this Eichel thing go faster, because what would've happened was Vegas would've had more cap space to trade for Eichel. Not to mentioning a burgeoning young star, which they didn't have, so they had to trade for.

     

    Brannstrom was what they traded for Stone. Honestly, for me, that's absolutely a hit. Suzuki for Pacioretty? That's a miss. Glass for Patrick? Probably another miss. I would've liked to see some better asset management on the Glass front. Personally, I think he would've been worth a 2nd at least. That's what Andersson got and he went in a similar position. Instead, they go for Patrick and hope to hell that it works. Patrick doesn't work, they trade for Eichel and if this neck surgery business works then they're in business. But loading up the team with aging vets, signing them to long expensive contracts and then turning around a being another Minnesota? That doesn't work. Eichel is still a vet, but he's not an aging vet and he's not in his prime years yet. He comes back and puts up 100 pts? Oh man is Vegas in business. He'll make the whole team better. This problem they're going to have with a lack of picks and prospects? If Eichel plays well, they can trade Smith and McNabb at later dates and get some solid pieces back. I'm talking about prospects or maybe even cheaper roster players. Who you might ask? Someone mentioned the Rangers. Then there's us. We could use McNabb for our third pairing. Smith might be a fit in Toronto, where they've had issues with depth. 

     

    I could really go on for days, but this isn't my own personal soapbox so I'll just leave it at this: I'm really curious to see how Vegas digs out of this hole while they wait for Eichel, Stone and Patches to get back and for Janmark, Stephenson and Karlsson to be their top 3Cs because IMO that is a thin group, even if Stephenson has a fantastic contract. 

  11. 2 hours ago, on the cycle said:

    Anyone remember Ryan Stanton?

    I remember Stanton well. I thought he was a good third-pairing guy, we picked him up from Chicago. Honestly though Capobianco must be really bad if Arizona is cutting him. They have Stralman, Chychrun, Soderstrom, Gostisbehere, Timmins and Lyubshkin, to me that's the worst defense in the NHL. So Capobianco, if he's getting jettisoned for guys like Dysin Mayo and Cam Dineen chances are he's better off in the AHL. 

     

    But yeah, Ryan Stanton, I always thought he was good. Both years he was here, I can't remember who he was partnered up with if I had to guess I'd say Kevin Bieksa or Yannick Weber, because Stanton is a leftie. When he was here though, IMO he was a very strong player. Steady, dependable and defensively sound. I thought he had the potential to replace Tanev. Some players can't kick it into that extra gear though and that's what happened. 

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