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I was writing another post and realized it'd be more relevant in this thread. For me, in this draft, only Power and Beniers are guaranteed not to fall to us. I love that it's this wide open, because it makes room for some interesting possibilities. This is not a deep draft, so the player we're selecting will probably take two years to arrive just like Podkolzin.
Here's my top 15 after Power and Beniers
1. Power
2. Beniers
3. Hughes
4. Guenther
5. Clarke
6. Eklund
7. Edvinsson
8. McTavish
9. Wallstedt
10. Svechkov
11. Johnson
12. Sillinger
13. Ceulemans
14. Coronato
15. Raty
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1 hour ago, N4ZZY said:
What about just Schmidt for Garland?
No.
They are already deep on the left side. Garland is their top scorer. They are trying to stockpile picks after the mess that Chayka guy left, that guy was a terrible GM. Just because you're in a non-traditional market doesn't mean you have to hire some douche who hasn't paid his dues and then go all goo-goo over analytics. If I saw that Chayka guy on the street I'd be like: "Yo, nice job wasting those picks in the McDavid draft." Can you imagine if Ron Francis was running the Coyotes? They'd have Aho and Marner instead of Schmaltz and Merkley lol. No comparison.
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Getting back to Garland for Schmidt, IF the 'Yotes wanted to trade Garland they would definitely ask for 9OV. Everyone saying "Yeah, let's trade a 2nd rounder for Garland" is just out to lunch. If we want Garland, we've got to pay big. Think Miller trade all over again.
Bottom line: If we do make this trade with Arizona we're going have to make some concessions, If we do that, I only want to do it the players we're targeting aren't available.
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The NHL wants to preserve the value of it's product.
It'll take five, ten maybe fifteen years before there's another expansion. Eventually, I see it making sense to move the Panthers to Quebec and the Yotes' to Houston. That won't happen but the next expansion should undoubtedly include Quebec City and hopefully Houston. I know that Atlanta is out of the picture as is another Toronto team which the Maple Leafs would quash. Saskatoon would kill the WHL. Cleveland is too close to Columbus despite the Pennsylvania-esque rivalry.
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People don't understand that the Blues stand to gain a lot from letting Tarasenko go. The loss of offense hurts, yes, but they're also gaining $7.5 Million in cap space. The Blues would get something back for Tarasenko, yes, but they'd have to take money back. Think of this as akin to Subban from Nashville to New Jersey, Nashville doesn't get a lot back but the Devils eat the whole contract. Turned out to be a great move and if a Stanley-cup winning GM decides that this is the best move, I think it is. This isn't the environment to get two 2nds back for a contract like Tarasenko's, so instead the Blues are taking the cap space.
If the Kraken agree to retain 1/3 of that Tarasenko contract, all of a sudden that becomes a value contract and teams will be lining up to take him. Toronto has Amirov, Ottawa has multiple guys, the Capitals could do it if they tried and they're loaded with Russians while the Kings are looking for help on the wings. Than there's wild cards like Vancouver, Calgary, Florida, Colorado and more.
What if this is the beginning of a big rebuild by the Blues, which I feel may be catalyzed by losing Pietrangelo and Tarasenko. Obviously, Jordan Kyrou can replace Tarasenko and I think Klim Kostin could also step in and make an impact. Perunovich is coming, but it makes sense to trade him with two small guys in Krug and Faulk manning their backend. They've also got to re-sign Vince Dunn, Zachary Sanford, Ivan Barbashev and Robert Thomas and I think that takes priority long-term over keeping a 29-year-old superstar who would be better off elsewhere. They've got a high draft pick this year, draft picks are at a premium and teams are shedding contracts. It's an exciting time if you've got cap space, look at Detroit, look at Seattle, look at Buffalo and look at what we could've been with sensible cap management.
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5 hours ago, Patel Bure said:
Roussel and Beagle traded in independent deals with
-A 2nd as a sweetener
-A 3rd + B level prospect as a sweetener
is definitely doable. Or, just Eriksson with the combined sweeteners from above.
Who plays in Abbotsford when we're done trading everybody?
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Here's my trade:
To Arizona:
VAN 1st 2021 (9th Overall)
LD/RD Nate Schmidt
LW Antoine Roussel
TO Vancouver:
LHD Oscar Ekman-Larsson (24% retained = $6.25 Million AAV)
RW Connor Garland (RFA)
CBJ 2nd 2021 (37th Overall)
PIT 4th 2021 (122nd Overall)
After making this trade, we sign RW Garland to a 4-year $21 Million, giving him an AAV of $5.25 Million. So grand total, we bring in $11.5 Million and trade out $8.95 Million, giving us a total cap add of $2,450,000 (I did all the math in my head so bare with me if it's wrong)
In order to make up for the lost space, we trade Holtby at a retained salary if he doesn't get picked up by Seattle. If it does, we lose the whole megillah giving us space to re-sign Hamonic and with Edler moving on, with Juolevi and Rathbone ready to join the team, we're in a good position to improve after this move. We'll need to bring in two or three depth guys on the backend for the purposes of injuries but I like the look of our team after this trade.
Plus, if we trade Holtby, we'll probably get a second or third round pick coming our way if we agree to retain. After mortgaging the future to bring in Garland, we'll have to makeup for it elsewhere. Tell me what you think.
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Just now, Dazzle said:
There were other picks that he did have that were late first rounders (an excuse that people liked to use to defend Gillis' lack of prospects). He had Brendan Gaunce as one of them, and the other 25th overall was traded away in the Ballard deal. In short, anything he did draft usually turned out to be nothing.
Niklas Jensen, Jordan Schroeder, Yann Sauve (who was a good defensive defenseman before he got hit by a car) and Taylor Ellington. All these picks were terrible and I think Aquaman realized that if he had a better draft in the GM post in 2008 and 2009, our team would've been better positioned to win in 2012 after our defeat in 2011. We simply didn't have the depth because of bad drafting. If we pick Rakell in 2011, Myers in 2008, Schultz in 2008 and Palmieri in 2009, the trajectory of this team goes completely differently. And when you get a good hit on a draft pick and that player plays well for you, you can flip that player for picks years down the road thus refilling your cupboards. That's what we got with McCann and that's why Benning, even though his contracts suck, is crucial to our long-term success.
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If Pettersson betrays us and agrees to sign an offer sheet with Montreal, I might consider letting him go. Although I do recall the Rangers offer-sheeting Sakic in 1997 and the Hurricanes (?) offer-sheeting Fedorov like in 1998. If the Habs do it to us, we better make sure we do it to Caufield or Romanov when they mature. If Montreal loses Weber and Price, then it's time to rebuild. That's what the Oilers should've done after their run in 2006 and that's what the blue-collar Habs should do now.
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9 minutes ago, Dazzle said:
My point was that Gillis had all the chances in the world to draft a useful player that could have been in the roster. This in turn would've changed the trajectory of the team. All the excuses that Gillis didn't have high picks (McCann was not a high first round pick) is bullcrap. Complete bullcrap.
Gillis picked Horvat in 2013 and Hodgson in 2008. Horvat was a 90V and Hodgson was 10OV. So yeah, you're right, Gillis did have high picks.
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1 hour ago, Alflives said:
Who does Seattle take: McCann or Kerfoot?
McCann. Toronto is so effin stupid. Just trade for McCann AFTER the draft you fools and then that ensures you lose on of Dermott or Kerfoot or even a depth guy like Spezza or Jumbo Joe
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I just don't get why the Maple Leafs would give up a perfectly good prospect for McCann and then risk losing him to the Kraken, unless the Kraken don't want McCann and they've got a gentleman's agreement with Toronto to take Kerfoot instead. I'd easily take McCann over Kerfoot but I'd easily take Dermott over the two forwards. Why take Dermott? He's got good size, he's got offensive capabilities, he was a high-pick and he's relatively young. He's also got a cost-controlled year unlike McCann, while Kerfoot doesn't have much upwards potential and basically looks like a tweener.
From Toronto, my claim for the Kraken list goes: Dermott, McCann, Kerfoot then Andersen. Easily, Dermott is probably Seattle's fourth or third defenseman and I think this expansion of responsibilities and change of scenery, even if it's for one of the worst teams in the league, will be best for Dermott. The Maple Leafs would be dumb to trade Hallander and a pick for McCann just to lose him, especially after they got that haul trading Kapanen back to the Pens.
Also, call me loco, but Wayne Simmonds might be a good claim for the Kraken if they're not happy with Kerfoot or Dermott. He's cheap, which prevents the Kraken from taking Kerfoot's not so palatable contract and he's a veteran leader.
Really excited to see what happens
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McCann is a great fit in Toronto as a former Greyhound he's got some familiarity with Dubas. Dubas probably thinks at best McCann could replace Tavares five or six years down the road if he keeps improving. That's only if McCann keeps getting better, if not he's a solid 3rd linec enter. It's amazing how these draft picks work out. For example, we had two first rounders that year in 2014 which we used on Virtanen and McCann. At the time, Virtanen was clearly the superior player but now McCann blows him out the water. That's why GM's like Benning that usually know exactly who to pick are really valuable in this league.
At least we got something back for McCann in Tanner Pearson, but we'll get nothing but a blackhole for Jake Virtanen unless we bring him back next year as a wildcard and he blows everyone out of the water. I'm talking a 20g/45pt season. Getting back to Jared McCann, he's bounced around a lot going from us, to Florida, to Pittsburgh and now to Toronto but I think playing in his hometown could turn him into the star they need. Toronto never replaced Kadri properly and now they have.
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If a player like Pronger ever comes along again, we need to get him. Owen Power could be that good.
I picked Pronger for the poll
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Gauthier would be a great pickup by Seattle
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15 minutes ago, King Heffy said:
He'll have to take a break as he'll be playing for an AHL team next year unless Seattle picks him up.
Toronto will protect him now that they've given something up to get him.
McCann is a great replacement for Kadri, he's nowhere near as gritty or as offensively gifted but he's fast, he's not terrible on the draw and he's got potential and pedigree. Hallander was a good second rounder, he can still be a top nine forward IMO. The only reason Toronto would give up a cost-controlled player is if they thought McCann was a really beneficial add for them and he is. It's McCann's attitude that has consistently been an issue but he's not like a Virtanen or a DeAngelo. Great move by TO
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Anyone who says Dickinson is a fourth liner is out to lunch
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Blues replace Pieterangelo with Krug and Faulk then they lose Tarasenko for nothing but cap space. Show's you what's at a premium it is nowadays. Cap space is gold right now and the Kraken will be stacked. 3 years from now they'll be whooping our rear-ends in front of everyone.
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10 minutes ago, Kenny Blankenship said:
So they trade a pick and a prospect for a player in the hopes that they can flip him for a pick and a prospect? Just seems kinda strange to me
They got a 1st, Vrana and Panik for Mantha. They trade Panik (50% retained) and a 2nd for Leddy. Than they trade Leddy at the deadline for a 2nd and a prospect to a team like Toronto, Florida, Carolina, Edmonton or even his hometown team in Minnesota. If the Red Wings want to improve, they need to shelter their young players and develop into a powerhouse. For that, they'll need high-picks and shrewd GM.
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On 7/13/2021 at 8:36 PM, R3aL said:
Since 2000 I would say he's the third worst.
These two get their own tier:
1. DIPIETRO
2. YAKUPOV
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3. JOHNSON
Picking Johnson over Toews, Backstrom and Kessel was a big mistake. There were some huge busts in that 2006 draft, but if Kessel goes to Washington instead of Backstrom it changes everything. If Toews or Staal go at #1 instead of Johnson, that changes everything. If Jordan Staal goes to the Blues, maybe he becomes the elite player he was expected to become with the extra ice time. Staal would've been in a great fit with that Blues team. Maybe the Blues turn into a dynasty instead of the Hawks, especially if the Hawks fail to bring in Toews.
That's why picks are so important. They're the future and when you're not sure about a guy you're picking at 1st, especially when it's a guy like Yakupov who was disliked by all the teams picking at the top, you need to trade that pick. I see Buffalo, Seattle and Anaheim staying in place with Power going at #1, Beniers at #2 and Hughes to Anaheim at #3. The Devils could trade the fourth pick for some reinforcements especially since they've got so much forward depth. If they can get an elite player from Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh, Nashville or Columbus they're in good shape especially if they add more players on the backend. Graves is a good fit and I think they'll be able to compete for the playoffs in 2022.
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2 hours ago, BigTramFan said:
If TBL trade Killorn + Cernak (combined cap hit of $7.4m), then take on Roussel and buy him out it costs $1.73m.
So overall they clear $5.67m cap and lose two players in exchange for a 1st round pick. The problem is that they will need to spend around $5m to find a 1RD replacement for Cernak, so this move doesn't really help them. They will still have to move out more contracts.
Rather than your proposed deal what TBL want to get rid of are two out of these players: Johnson, Killorn, Palat, Gourde, McDonagh.
I think picks and prospects could be added as sweeteners, but unlikely their young roster players.
For example, I think they would be up for a Johnson + 1st round pick for future considerations deal, but that's about the best deal you'll get out of them IMO.
Cernak is untradeable with his cap hit, potential and contributions.
They'll lose a player in the expansion draft, then they'll use their first in 2022 with McDonagh to pawn him off on a team with more space. Think about it, they'll protect eight skaters which is Point, Kucherov, Stamkos and Cirelli for forwards and Foote, Hedman, Cernak and Sergachev on D. That way, they lose one of Gourde, Palat or Killorn guaranteed. They'll probably have to buyout Johnson, they'll trade McDonagh with what's left of their prospect pool and they'll spend the next few seasons of the NHL's most productive team. The Lightning's cap problems remind me of the Hawks in 2010. Just like the Hawks, Kucherov, Stammer and Point will all get old and they'll have to be replaced. This is how cap systems work and the Lightning won't win again with the depth they'll lose
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On 7/9/2021 at 9:10 AM, NHL'er said:
Younger brother of Quinton Howden who was selected by the Florida Panthers 25th overall in 2010 with the first rounder we sent them for Keith Ballard.
That Ballard trade tens year ago was a lose-lose looking back. Nobody gained anything, nobody lost anything. Looked like a blockbuster at the time and it's probably what cost us the cup. Bad memories.
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Just now, logic said:
You ain't getting 9OA for a guy who played 9 games last year mate
What do you expect the Red Wings to want? What do we have? They'll probably ask for north of what Calgary got for Bennett and probably a little bit less than what the Isles got for Palmieri. That's a haul Vancouver can't afford.
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It doesn't make any sense to give up what it would take to bring in Bertuzzi. We'd have to give up 90A and we need centers and not wingers. Unless we're planning on trade ANOTHER first to bring in a player that will make us a little bit less mediocre is just pointless. We need homegrown talent, we need to keep our pick and forget about this 26-year-old. We need a guy to fill in for injures, Mason McTavish, Simon Edvinsson, Cole Sillinger, William Eklund or Brandt Clarke, not Tyler Bertuzzi, is the way to pave forward.
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39 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said:Yzerman, really doing a full rebuild by selling expensive & young assets (even the young Larkin), while he builds his (own) young core; and saving his cap to add when his core is ready. Ballsy but he is able to sell his plan to the owners & (to a lesser) the fan.
Something to ponder: if Yzerman, was our GM - would he had traded the Twins ? My guess: Yes.
Trade the Twins?
We're going to trade $14 Million in cap and some team is going to pay us to take them. How the hell do you expect anyone to PAY to take two older players past their prime for ONE cup run? That's the only way it can be done, we wouldn't be able to trade them to a contending team with an extra year on their deal. How does a contending team accommodate $14 Million USD? What's the GM going to do? Wait for their contracts to expire? Because that's exactly what Benning did and the Sedins were at least top six forwards even in their last season. The only way we would've been able to trade the Twins is to a team with a bunch of cap space and we wouldn't get enough back to make it reasonable at all. Plus the twins were needed to entertain the fans and groom the young players. Think through these ruminations because some of them are silly.
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[Trade] Canucks Trade for Dickinson from DAL for a 3rd.
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So either we sign him to a 1-year deal and can stand to expect an exceptional performance or sign him to a two-year deal and hope that he's good enough that signing him to a value contract turns out to be prudent. I'd opt with the one year deal, we'll have to worry about the Boeser contract as well as extensions for Miller and Horvat. It would make sense to see what we have in Dickinson by giving him an expanded role with our team next year. If he's good, that's great. If not, it's another Linden Vey/Sven Baertschi failed experiment. From my assessment, I'd say Dickinson probably has a lot more pedigree and experience than Vey and Baertschi. He doesn't blow them out of the water, but he certainly has NHL experience as a secondary scorer and penalty killer. He's terrible on the faceoffs, but we've got a great faceoff guy in Horvat that he can practice with. I like this move even though we lose a pick. Do we really get a better player than Dickinson with a third rounder?