The Heart Break Kid Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Just doesn't make sense why Hodgson was traded. MG never overpays, or gives proven NHLers for prospects, which Kassian is right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Heart Break Kid Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Didnt ever think GMMG was the type of guy to make this kind of deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I look at this trade as Cody for Kassian and Gragnani. The pundits call it a win win, both teams seem to think so and time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malHOEtra Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 You could even say that the canucks were sellers at the deadline, trading proven NHL talent for future assets and raw players. Only problem is that the proven Nhl talent has plenty of future skill. Hodgson's numbers are really amzing if you look at the amount of ice time he would get, and his ice time could have been increased, theres alot of situations where AV can play him, but has to be a dumb idiot and keep him on the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malHOEtra Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Well in some way Hodgson was an overpayment.Wouldn't you rather overpay for Ott with lets say a 1st rounder and have kept Coho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I think the asking price for Ott was more than a 1st rounder. If the AVs paid a 1st for Downie why wouldn't a team give a 1st for Ott? Im thinking it would have been significantly more (Tanev + 1st type asking price). I don't think Hodgson for Grags+Kassian is an overpayment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacdeesSnipinGs Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 Hodgson+ sulzer for Dustin Brown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raph Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Bang on. If Crosby/Malkin/Staal can work in harmony then Henrik/Kesler/Hodgson can as well. Not to mention all 3 penguin players are better player for player. As much as Kesler fans don't like to admit it (and even Kesler himself), Kesler is a grinder. He gets most of his goals through grinding, hardwork, and a decent shot (note: decent shot, not great or awesome). He doesn't possess the same offensive instincts and very few teams would use him as the primary offensive threat. I think Kesler needs to stop trying to change into a finesse player and just play the game that has worked for him in his career. He actually seems to play quite well when playing with other grinders, ie. Hansen and Higgins. I hope he and AV realize that and adjust his game accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Second argument: "CoHo has Nowhere to play behind Kes and Dan, and will always have a limited role, with limited Ice time". Cant the theory of having Schneids for Luo, be applied for having Coho as inexpensive insurance policy of sorts, god forbid injury to Kes or Dan. A guy to step into a top 6 role at the drop of the hat? Ask Pittsburgh with Crosby, Malkin and Stall how that's working out. I also feel like people don't truly understand the Loss of offensive Production with CoHo gone. As much as i love Kes this aint a knock on him, just illustrating the offensive prowess of CoHo Ryan Kesler has 19 goals in 58 games or .32 goals per game. He also Averages just over 20 TOI per game with a total of 1,163:10 Minutes on the ice this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afan Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 This team lost in the SCF series scoring only 8 goals in 7 games with the PP stopped clicking, moron AV is dead wrong when he keeps saying he needs a checking 3rd line. Now that Coho the goal scorer and playmaker of the 3rd line and the center piece of the 2nd unit PP is traded, I'm wondering who is going to score that much needed goal when the Sedins once again are shut down, as often happens. AV is just a coward who is too afraid to lose. He has the advantage of having basically third liners, Lapierre, Maholtra, Weise playing on the 4th line and yet they are all MINUS players, as always under AV's dump for a change game plan. The 4th line should be a scoring line instead of a defensive liability under AV. Goals will be tough to come by again this spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
لني Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 After going through the COHO and Kassian threads the dominant rationale among the crowd that likes this trade to bring in Kassian is that he brings an element of "toughness" to the line-up that we didn't previously have, and that COHO didn't have a spot behind Kes and Hank moving into the future. Fair enough COHO ain't exact 6,3 230! However i think these arguments are in many ways flawed. The leading hitter on the Canucks is Lappy. He has 178 hits in 63 games. or 2.83 hits per game, averaging just over 11 TOI per game. He also has 7 fighting majors, scrapping in just over 11% of all games this year. He has 118PIM averaging 1.87pim/gm Zach Kassian on the other hand has 39 hits in 27 games or 1.44 hits per game, averaging 12 TOI per game, he has 2 fighting majors, fighting just 7.5% of all games this year and has accumulated 20PIM averaging 0.74PIM/gm ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
لني Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 This team lost in the SCF series scoring only 8 goals in 7 games with the PP stopped clicking, moron AV is dead wrong when he keeps saying he needs a checking 3rd line. Now that Coho the goal scorer and playmaker of the 3rd line and the center piece of the 2nd unit PP is traded, I'm wondering who is going to score that much needed goal when the Sedins once again are shut down, as often happens. AV is just a coward who is too afraid to lose. He has the advantage of having basically third liners, Lapierre, Maholtra, Weise playing on the 4th line and yet they are all MINUS players, as always under AV's dump for a change game plan. The 4th line should be a scoring line instead of a defensive liability under AV. Goals will be tough to come by again this spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haidacanuck Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 It's no secret that gmmg has coveted a power forward and I think the price was too high for his wishes. I fn hope I'm wrong. I hope Kassian is a scoring machine. I really saw coho as a future player to wear the "C" he was that smart with the puck. I've liked all of gmmg moves except the Ballard issue I hope it's not another Grabner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Hodgson+ sulzer for Dustin Brown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
لني Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 It's no secret that gmmg has coveted a power forward and I think the price was too high for his wishes. I fn hope I'm wrong. I hope Kassian is a scoring machine. I really saw coho as a future player to wear the "C" he was that smart with the puck. I've liked all of gmmg moves except the Ballard issue I hope it's not another Grabner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pouria Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Didnt ever think GMMG was the type of guy to make this kind of deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostdivision Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 What I love is kassian threads by people who have never watched him play but have decided they have it figured out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Cookies Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Thank you for posting this. I was thinking of posting a very similar topic sometime next week when everything cools down ( a tad). You gave some very valid reasons that counter MG's fanboys (and people that are actually fans of this trade in general). ^ I don't think so as before today, nearly all of us didn't want to see CoHo leave for anyone including the stars let alone a prospect that several people on this board didn't know of until this trade went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvandude Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Just doesn't make sense why Hodgson was traded. MG never overpays, or gives proven NHLers for prospects, which Kassian is right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustNazzy Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Cody Hodgson also plays some of the most sheltered minutes in the NHL when he was here. Im not saying he won't produce in Buffalo but think of it this way. When Van played Boston how much Zdeno Chara did Hodgson see? Now how much Zdeno Chara will Hodgson see when he plays in Buffalo? There really is 2 sides to the ice time argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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