[Draft Day] Go After Grigorenko

[Canuckz101]

To Columbus:

Schneider, Kesler, Schroeder, Ballard, 2012 2nd

To Vancouver:

Columbus's 1st 2012 (Grigorenko), 1st 2013, 1st 2014, Johansen, Mason

Sign Justin Schultz in the summer.

-I think now is the time to trade Kesler. yes , he has had an off year but he is still a Selke winner recently and that has to be worth something. Kesler is considered a superstar still so I figure that's worth two 1st rounders, most likely high end 1st's ( It might give us a shot at Nathan Mackinnon next year). For Schneider, it's basically him straight up for Grigorenko. We get a big, talented young centre oozing tons of skill. Slot him in as our #2 centre. These are hard to find. Switch up Schroeder for Johansen. We get bigger with this trade as well and he has NHL experience. Slot him in at #3 centre. Get rid of Ballard's contract and add our 2nd in 2012 for Mason who I think needs a change of scenery on a good team. Let him back up Luongo. At least he can learn from Lu and work on improving his game to a level he had when he won the Calder. This could work out well for us if he can find his Grade A game again (with a better defense in front of him). He's only 23.

2012-2013 lineup:

D.Sedin - H.Sedin - A.Burrows

D.Booth - M.Grigorenko - C.Higgins

M. Lappierre - Johansen - Z. Kassian

Y.Hansen - S.Pahlsson - Jensen

D.Hamhuis - K.Bieksa

A.Edler - J. Schultz

Connauton - C.Tanev

A.Alberts - Y. Sauve

R.Luongo

S.Mason

We need to change up this roster. It's been the same for too long and now it's getting past it's best before date. With this roster, we inject some much needed youth (talented youth) with a mix of veterans. Sauve is ready for the NHL and has size. Connauton has the skill and instincts, a hard accurate shot from the point...he's ready. Tanev's only going to get better. Edler with Schultz would be a dynamite combo. Hamhuis and Bieksa remain our top duo.

As for our forward group, the top line remains the same. It's our big point producing line. It's reliable.

The second line would be very dynamic with Grigorenko (big, tall, skilled centre) between two fast wingers with good shots in Booth and Higgins. Grigorenko has big time NHL size and skill and is a #2 overall pick. No use in putting that kind of talent on the 3rd or 4th. No, he immediately takes over Kesler's spot and chances are he will adapt quickly to the NHL. The 3rd line could be a big, skilled and gritty line with Lappierre as the veteran stabilizer and mentor. Johansen has been compared to Getzlaf with the same kind of size and skill potential. This is the spot to put him. Kassian would look good on this line and get him more minutes and experience. As the years go by and he develops into the power forward all the scouts know he'll be, I can see him on the 1st or 2nd line when the Sedins and Burrows are on the decline. The 4th line is a good, reliable, shut down line where Jensen can learn the ropes with Hansen and Pahlsson in his 1st year. Jensen almost made it last year out of training camp so I think this year he could do it. He is another young player with great hockey sense and NHL size. Get him into the mix now.

I know you all think this is too drastic but keep your minds open to new possibilities going forward. The team is getting old and we have some good young players in the system who can add new enthusiasm, excitement and competitiveness up and down our roster. We not only get younger and more talented, but bigger. Remember, this is just an idea and sooner or later, a changing of the guard will have to happen and we will have to let new young players into the mix. This roster , I feel anyway , has a nice mix of youth size, speed, talent, and character. We get to keep our 1st rounder this year and acquire 2 future 1st's to help stock the cupboards. If AV is unwilling to let the young players play, fire him and replace him with Mac T. Besides, he will already know many of them.

[Standing_Tall#37]

F that... Lots of experts are really questioning his heart or if he'll even come to north America... That's the last thing we need.

[uber_pwnzor]

Are you crazy?! Do you want to give up one of the best (if not THE best) two-way-forwards in the world, the goalie with the third best save-percentage, a solid D-man and a great prospect for a rebuilding team's first round picks the next three years?! What if Columbus make the playoffs next year and the pick is like 15th overall?

[Real deal - Stan Smyl]

Flawed plan...

The time to trade Kes would have been last year. His stocks are waaaay down now, we wouldn't get much for him - if we could trade him at all, after all, with his overpaid salary teams arent likely to line up.

Another European in our already soft euro lineup? What is the goal here? Prez Trophy? Or SC?? Think Moose Jaw, not Moscow.

[Real deal - Stan Smyl]

F that... Lots of experts are really questioning his heart or if he'll even come to north America... That's the last thing we need.

[Standing_Tall#37]

If Grigorenko has no heart, he will fit right in.

[CanuckRow]

I remember when I was 12...

[Real deal - Stan Smyl]

I remember when I was 12...

[Hunter.S-Kerouac]

uhh this is stupid this trade makes us edmonton only worse

[Standing_Tall#37]

Ya, wasn't that the year the Canucks went to the final against the Bruins?

[CanuckRow]

Ya, wasn't that the year the Canucks went to the final against the Bruins?

[Paul Bissonnette]

This is how we might look in the future, if this trade were done.

Sedin-Sedin-Mackinnon

Booth-Grigs-Burrows

Higgins-Johansen-Kassian

Hansen-Schroeder-Jensen

Hamhuis-Bieksa

Edler-Schultz

Connauton-Tanev

Luongo

Lack

[TmanVan]

I know everyone on here is attacking you and saying this is stupid, but people apparently have ZERO vision. Ryan Johansen is going to be an absolute beast, future captain material with a higher offensive ceiling than Kesler. Also, nobody said we have to draft Mikhail Grigorenko, why not Ryan Murray or Matt Dumba?

Maybe people on here don't realize the Sedins only have a few years left in their prime, at which point they will be second liners again in their twilight and the first line will need to be rebuilt.

How about the fact that every single one of the canucks D prospects is essentially a "project". Kevin Connauton and Patrick Mcnally are pretty much pure offensive, so drafting someone like Ryan Murray or Matt Dumba would give us a something to build around for the future.

Doing this would also give us the cap space to offer sheet Weber to a point where it probably wouldn't be matched, which if you look at Chara, Weber, Lidstrom, Pronger type players it is money well spent.

I bet everyone thought Philly was retarded trading Carter and Richards too, but instead what happened? They've set themselves up to be one of the best teams in the league for years and years. Couturier, Schenn, Simmonds, Voracek >>>>>> Carter and Richards, wait a couple years and you'll see too. This would be the exact type of trade the Canucks would be making, and I for one would be all for it.

[Zoolander]

Pull Linden out of Retirement.................................jkjk but I honestly think that kesler needs to go...he's kinda an A-hole and doesn't know what the word "pass" means.

[WHL rocks]

Scneider for the 2nd oveall pick from CBJ and pick Grogo. Future superstar.

[Gollumpus]

I'm more sold on Grigorenko than I am on Yakupov, but that being said, I'm not that sold on Grigorenko. I'd be inclined to go for a lesser upgrade in pick, get a d-man prospect and keep more assets which the team has now.

Question: when is the next really deep draft? Is it two years after this upcoming draft?

Why not start stock-piling 1st round picks for that draft? Who knows, the Canucks might get lucky and get that kid who is supposed to be the real second coming of Wayne Crosby.

regards,

G.

[Pouria]

To Columbus:

Schneider, Kesler, Schroeder, Ballard, 2012 2nd

To Vancouver:

Columbus's 1st 2012 (Grigorenko), 1st 2013, 1st 2014, Johansen, Mason

Sign Justin Schultz in the summer.

-I think now is the time to trade Kesler. yes , he has had an off year but he is still a Selke winner recently and that has to be worth something. Kesler is considered a superstar still so I figure that's worth two 1st rounders, most likely high end 1st's ( It might give us a shot at Nathan Mackinnon next year). For Schneider, it's basically him straight up for Grigorenko. We get a big, talented young centre oozing tons of skill. Slot him in as our #2 centre. These are hard to find. Switch up Schroeder for Johansen. We get bigger with this trade as well and he has NHL experience. Slot him in at #3 centre. Get rid of Ballard's contract and add our 2nd in 2012 for Mason who I think needs a change of scenery on a good team. Let him back up Luongo. At least he can learn from Lu and work on improving his game to a level he had when he won the Calder. This could work out well for us if he can find his Grade A game again (with a better defense in front of him). He's only 23.

2012-2013 lineup:

D.Sedin - H.Sedin - A.Burrows

D.Booth - M.Grigorenko - C.Higgins

M. Lappierre - Johansen - Z. Kassian

Y.Hansen - S.Pahlsson - Jensen

D.Hamhuis - K.Bieksa

A.Edler - J. Schultz

Connauton - C.Tanev

A.Alberts - Y. Sauve

R.Luongo

S.Mason

We need to change up this roster. It's been the same for too long and now it's getting past it's best before date. With this roster, we inject some much needed youth (talented youth) with a mix of veterans. Sauve is ready for the NHL and has size. Connauton has the skill and instincts, a hard accurate shot from the point...he's ready. Tanev's only going to get better. Edler with Schultz would be a dynamite combo. Hamhuis and Bieksa remain our top duo.

As for our forward group, the top line remains the same. It's our big point producing line. It's reliable.

The second line would be very dynamic with Grigorenko (big, tall, skilled centre) between two fast wingers with good shots in Booth and Higgins. Grigorenko has big time NHL size and skill and is a #2 overall pick. No use in putting that kind of talent on the 3rd or 4th. No, he immediately takes over Kesler's spot and chances are he will adapt quickly to the NHL. The 3rd line could be a big, skilled and gritty line with Lappierre as the veteran stabilizer and mentor. Johansen has been compared to Getzlaf with the same kind of size and skill potential. This is the spot to put him. Kassian would look good on this line and get him more minutes and experience. As the years go by and he develops into the power forward all the scouts know he'll be, I can see him on the 1st or 2nd line when the Sedins and Burrows are on the decline. The 4th line is a good, reliable, shut down line where Jensen can learn the ropes with Hansen and Pahlsson in his 1st year. Jensen almost made it last year out of training camp so I think this year he could do it. He is another young player with great hockey sense and NHL size. Get him into the mix now.

I know you all think this is too drastic but keep your minds open to new possibilities going forward. The team is getting old and we have some good young players in the system who can add new enthusiasm, excitement and competitiveness up and down our roster. We not only get younger and more talented, but bigger. Remember, this is just an idea and sooner or later, a changing of the guard will have to happen and we will have to let new young players into the mix. This roster , I feel anyway , has a nice mix of youth size, speed, talent, and character. We get to keep our 1st rounder this year and acquire 2 future 1st's to help stock the cupboards. If AV is unwilling to let the young players play, fire him and replace him with Mac T. Besides, he will already know many of them.

[Pouria]

I'm more sold on Grigorenko than I am on Yakupov, but that being said, I'm not that sold on Grigorenko. I'd be inclined to go for a lesser upgrade in pick, get a d-man prospect and keep more assets which the team has now.

Question: when is the next really deep draft? Is it two years after this upcoming draft?

Why not start stock-piling 1st round picks for that draft? Who knows, the Canucks might get lucky and get that kid who is supposed to be the real second coming of Wayne Crosby.

regards,

G.

[Pouria]

Scneider for the 2nd oveall pick from CBJ and pick Grogo. Future superstar.

[Pouria]

I know everyone on here is attacking you and saying this is stupid, but people apparently have ZERO vision. Ryan Johansen is going to be an absolute beast, future captain material with a higher offensive ceiling than Kesler. Also, nobody said we have to draft Mikhail Grigorenko, why not Ryan Murray or Matt Dumba?

Maybe people on here don't realize the Sedins only have a few years left in their prime, at which point they will be second liners again in their twilight and the first line will need to be rebuilt.

How about the fact that every single one of the canucks D prospects is essentially a "project". Kevin Connauton and Patrick Mcnally are pretty much pure offensive, so drafting someone like Ryan Murray or Matt Dumba would give us a something to build around for the future.

Doing this would also give us the cap space to offer sheet Weber to a point where it probably wouldn't be matched, which if you look at Chara, Weber, Lidstrom, Pronger type players it is money well spent.

I bet everyone thought Philly was retarded trading Carter and Richards too, but instead what happened? They've set themselves up to be one of the best teams in the league for years and years. Couturier, Schenn, Simmonds, Voracek >>>>>> Carter and Richards, wait a couple years and you'll see too. This would be the exact type of trade the Canucks would be making, and I for one would be all for it.