Spotted Zebra Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Interesting thing is that Kesler is an Ohio state guy so I could see him want to go to Columbus. Only a couple guys I would realistically trade kes for, johansen is one of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE14 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Oh they'd HAVE to offer more. Gotta know that Kesler alone is worth a 1st and a blue chip prospect, Edler is worth a 1st and a blue chip prospect. Top pairing D men under decent contracts and top 6 winger/center players with Selke trophies under the age of 30 do not hit the market like ever and every team in the league would come calling Johansen is already a 30 goal 60 point center and he's only 21. He's also from BC so he'd love playing here. Murray is a soon to be stud defenceman who will get about 25 points this year. He`s also only 20 so both players have tons of room to grow. The difference between Kes and Johansen is the defensive ability. Since Johansen is so young I think that counters out (Johansen will be better offensively). Murray right now is basically just as good as Edler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spotted Zebra Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Johansen is already a 30 goal 60 point center and he's only 21. He's also from BC so he'd love playing here. Murray is a soon to be stud defenceman who will get about 25 points this year. He`s also only 20 so both players have tons of room to grow. Exactly, if they offer that package , you don't just accept, you send them flowers in the mail. This from the guy with a 20 kesler jersey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neversummer Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Unfortunately, Gillis put himself in a bind ... 75% of the core players have NTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Stanley Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Oh they'd HAVE to offer more. Gotta know that Kesler alone is worth a 1st and a blue chip prospect, Edler is worth a 1st and a blue chip prospect. Top pairing D men under decent contracts and top 6 winger/center players with Selke trophies under the age of 30 do not hit the market like ever and every team in the league would come calling I like all the posts about this trade- I am not sure what the value would be, bu CBJ has sucked for a long time and they are giving up their top 2 prospects - both of which are having comparable seasons to the ones our guys are having. That being said, this is a down year for elder who has been an all star, an olympian, has loads of playoff experience. Kesler is a better two way forward than Johanssen, and lets not over look a very important factor: the difference in competition between the east and the west - last year Johanssen had a junk year in the west and I doubt he would have all those points if he played day in day out against LA, SJS, STL, ANA, CHI... Kesler and edler are signed to very very reasonable contracts thanks to MG so I think this trade makes sense for both sides, CBJ gets better now and with fubinsky, horton and gaborik, kesler and atkinson they start to have the semblance of a top 6 that has grit and skill and 2 way play open to all your suggestions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Stanley Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 alternatively if we want to 're-tool' I do think an edler + - for ROR could be a game changer and then a second side deal dor a dman Edler Hansen jensen for ROR + 3rd - not sure why colorado would say no to this, they get a solid prospect with size, a top 3 D man who will mesh nicely with all their young players, and they unload a big cap hit. Plus Hansen gives them good depth Corrado + schroeder+Grenier for Girardi (resigned) this is a retool - on average we do not get younger, but we change the dynamic of our team keser ROR kassian Sedin sedin Burrows Higgins Horvat Santo Sestito Richardsson Lain Hammer Girardi Garrison Bieksa Stanton Tanev Luongo Lack now that team is competitive in the present and in the future I really like this line up - what do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Interesting thing is that Kesler is an Ohio state guy so I could see him want to go to Columbus. Only a couple guys I would realistically trade kes for, johansen is one of them one little speed bump: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 one little speed bump: Don't say NTC.....Kesler played in Ohio for years. Michigan is a short drive. Columbus and Detroit are the two most logical places for Kesler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Stanley Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Oh they'd HAVE to offer more. Gotta know that Kesler alone is worth a 1st and a blue chip prospect, Edler is worth a 1st and a blue chip prospect. Top pairing D men under decent contracts and top 6 winger/center players with Selke trophies under the age of 30 do not hit the market like ever and every team in the league would come calling I think the trade I purposed is more than fair for CBJ, we give them a 1st and Jensen and Johansen is so young that we do not know what direction he will go - this is just one good season for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Don't say NTC.....Kesler played in Ohio for years. Michigan is a short drive. Columbus and Detroit are the two most logical places for Kesler did my image not show up for anyone else? i posted a picture of rj umberger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks_kcchiefs Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Him and Petan being chosen so closely, I keep forgetting the Peg took him, sadly I spend mroe time looking at Columbus than I do the peg, much more intriguing team this year But I still retain the stance that Johansen and a 1st or Rychel and Wennberg would be fair value return for Kesler Johansen and a 1st for Kesler? Don't be silly. Johansen is going nowhere, let alone with a 1st rounder. Kid has turned the corner this year, no chance of prying him away from CBJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 He's a 4th line center at best. Manny had wheels, 3rd line checking centers have speed. Sending Gaustad in to forecheck or expecting him to back check is a large part of the reason Nashville is suffering so badly on their bottom 6. And I am not Biased, I am stating very clearly Hansen to the right team is worth a 1st round pick. This isn't an argument it is a statement of fact. At the deadline there are teams who will give up a 1st round pick in the 20-30 spot for a guy like Hansen. No bias, just reality. Teams overpay at the deadline. but again, totally disregard the fact I said a couple of 2nd round picks or a 2nd and 3rd is more realistic Four line centers don't have cap hits of over 3 million. Your extremely overvalue Hansen and way undervaluing Gaustad. Even still Gaustad getting traded for a 1st wasn't a good deal for NSH, Gaustad has more value than Hansen, definitely a better playoff utility player than hansen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks_kcchiefs Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 He's a 4th line center at best. Manny had wheels, 3rd line checking centers have speed. Sending Gaustad in to forecheck or expecting him to back check is a large part of the reason Nashville is suffering so badly on their bottom 6. And I am not Biased, I am stating very clearly Hansen to the right team is worth a 1st round pick. This isn't an argument it is a statement of fact. At the deadline there are teams who will give up a 1st round pick in the 20-30 spot for a guy like Hansen. No bias, just reality. Teams overpay at the deadline. but again, totally disregard the fact I said a couple of 2nd round picks or a 2nd and 3rd is more realistic Stating a 'fact' about Hansen retrieving a first rounder, then lessening your stance by saying a 2nd/3rd is more realistic, doesn't exactly make you sound too confident with your 'fact'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuckMan Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Just a note to everyone regarding Emerson Etem. In 2010 we traded for Ballard, which meant we gave up our 25th overall pick in the first round. Etem was on the board and later taken, as you know, by Anaheim. One justification for the trade of the pick in the Ballard deal was that the Canuck scouts/management didn't feel their guys were still available (one of which was thought to be Tinordi). So we made that deal cause we didn't like what was left - and a few of the next players taken were:Evgeny KuznetsovCharlie CoyleEmerson Etem Good times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 did my image not show up for anyone else? i posted a picture of rj umberger. Still unsure of the issue there. but no the image didn't load, I was guessing you meant the NTC issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Four line centers don't have cap hits of over 3 million. Your extremely overvalue Hansen and way undervaluing Gaustad. Even still Gaustad getting traded for a 1st wasn't a good deal for NSH, Gaustad has more value than Hansen, definitely a better playoff utility player than hansen You....have seen Gaustad play since 2007 thorugh 2009 right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Still unsure of the issue there. but no the image didn't load, I was guessing you meant the NTC issue umberger and kesler have despised each other for a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 umberger and kesler have despised each other for a decade. So have Kesler and Ladd, but doesn't stop people from proposing Ladd come to the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Stanley Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 umberger and kesler have despised each other for a decade. they both put their rhubarb in the same pie and still have not been able to get over it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 So have Kesler and Ladd, but doesn't stop people from proposing Ladd come to the team not the same kind of hatred. kesler and umberger is off ice hatred, kesler and ladd is competitive on ice hatred. kesler played a role in umberger being shipped out of vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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