Warhippy Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Peverley can step in as a 2c, and he's played 2c before. One of the best 3c's in the league, up there with Vermette. I know his history, but to seriously consider Peverly on the same level as Kesler is kind of skewed a little. Crosby type centers, Kesler type centers, Peverly type centers and then Richardson type centers. That is the natural slide for talent. If Kesler didn't have that injury history the point would be rather moot. Again not a Kesler fan but the guy can change games. He is still a capable 1st line winger or 2nd line center. But he is not worth a prospect? I understand that Drouin has an incredible skill set but come on. Even Mckinnon is producing at the NHL level, Drouin could step on the ice and Daigle in 2 seasons. Kesler will help carry a solid team to a championship if he's healthy. You cannot compare the two in terms of value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE14 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I know his history, but to seriously consider Peverly on the same level as Kesler is kind of skewed a little. We are saying the difference in skill between Peverley and Kesler is the same difference as Drouin and Horvat. If you think Kesler is worth Drouin then you would love trading Horvat for Peverley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 We are saying the difference in skill between Peverley and Kesler is the same difference as Drouin and Horvat. If you think Kesler is worth Drouin then you would love trading Horvat for Peverley. But we don't need a peverly type player, nor do we need another Horvat type player in our system. Drouin would be intriguing. But Tampa could 100% use and compete till the end of time with a Kesler in their system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan kesler the beast Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Giving up guys like Kesler Edler for younger players will make us a good team in the FUTURE which would mean we would not make the playoffs and be weaker for this year playoffs and techienally throw the season away. If gillis had the balls like LA to pull a Jeff carter type trade then we could complete but he won't so we will contuine to suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan kesler the beast Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 And what can you even trade Kesler for? Makes no sense you cant get a better type player like Kesler cause there rare to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I know his history, but to seriously consider Peverly on the same level as Kesler is kind of skewed a little. Crosby type centers, Kesler type centers, Peverly type centers and then Richardson type centers. That is the natural slide for talent. If Kesler didn't have that injury history the point would be rather moot. Again not a Kesler fan but the guy can change games. He is still a capable 1st line winger or 2nd line center. But he is not worth a prospect? I understand that Drouin has an incredible skill set but come on. Even Mckinnon is producing at the NHL level, Drouin could step on the ice and Daigle in 2 seasons. Kesler will help carry a solid team to a championship if he's healthy. You cannot compare the two in terms of value interesting that you mention alexandre daigle. daigle: 616 gp 129 g 198 a 327 p kesler: 633 gp 175 g 209 a 384 p hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Stanley Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 interesting that you mention alexandre daigle. daigle: 616 gp 129 g 198 a 327 p kesler: 633 gp 175 g 209 a 384 p hmm. are you trying to sat that is close? a 60 point difference in less than 20 games? plus daigle played before the dead puck era Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 are you trying to sat that is close? a 60 point difference in less than 20 games? plus daigle played before the dead puck era actually, daigle played IN the dead puck era, whereas kesler played after it. and that point difference amounts to 0.6 ppg vs 0.53 ppg. sure, it's a difference, bit really it's only a difference of 60 points over 600 games, which is what, about 8 points per season? and kesler has had he luxury of playing on far better teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 interesting that you mention alexandre daigle. daigle: 616 gp 129 g 198 a 327 p kesler: 633 gp 175 g 209 a 384 p hmm. Daigle highly touted as the next great one the Gretzky replacement by and large the #1 overall pick in the last 3 drafts the kid is a natural a surefire bet cannot miss all that talent. Picked ahead of Pronger Neidermeyer, Kariya, Bertuzzi Dead marsh and Koivu. 137 points in 53 games in the QMJHL. Kesler, picked 23rd ahead of Richards and Perry? Targeted as a 3rd line center at best....yes I can see the comparison. Kesler IS productive. Drouin could bust as easily as boom. That si why I question why people say such foolish things as Kesler si nto worth a prospect 1 to 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I think Burrows might be on the bubble. Maybe to montreal for Bourque, but of course MTL would have to add either a 1st or a good prospect, like Collberg or De La Rose Tinordi or Beaulieu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Daigle highly touted as the next great one the Gretzky replacement by and large the #1 overall pick in the last 3 drafts the kid is a natural a surefire bet cannot miss all that talent. Picked ahead of Pronger Neidermeyer, Kariya, Bertuzzi Dead marsh and Koivu. 137 points in 53 games in the QMJHL. Kesler, picked 23rd ahead of Richards and Perry? Targeted as a 3rd line center at best....yes I can see the comparison. Kesler IS productive. Drouin could bust as easily as boom. That si why I question why people say such foolish things as Kesler si nto worth a prospect 1 to 1 don't worry, i know what you meant. my point was merely that to "daigle" means to disappoint while producing at roughly the same rate as kesler, the same player whose value you're espousing so vigorously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon4401 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Daigle highly touted as the next great one the Gretzky replacement by and large the #1 overall pick in the last 3 drafts the kid is a natural a surefire bet cannot miss all that talent. Picked ahead of Pronger Neidermeyer, Kariya, Bertuzzi Dead marsh and Koivu. 137 points in 53 games in the QMJHL. Kesler, picked 23rd ahead of Richards and Perry? Targeted as a 3rd line center at best....yes I can see the comparison. Kesler IS productive. Drouin could bust as easily as boom. That si why I question why people say such foolish things as Kesler si nto worth a prospect 1 to 1 Heres the thing its not that the value is there its why does Tampa do it? If they wanted an impact player would they not of traded the 3rd overall pick instead? No they drafted Drouin they want him and will keep him barring a major overpayment and we don't want to overpay for the guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 don't worry, i know what you meant. my point was merely that to "daigle" means to disappoint while producing at roughly the same rate as kesler, the same player whose value you're espousing so vigorously. I get it don't worry I think we are just arguing over semantics at this point. But in comparison if someone is offering Richards, Lucic, Carter, Parise, Sharp for Horvat does Gillis take it? A genuine game breaking top 6 player that can win you playoff rounds and a possible cup to offset the team we have in place now. If Yzerman (who has seen Kelser play against team Canada in 2 Olympics by the end of this season) doesn't take stock of a team comprised of Stamkos St Louis and Kesler as a 1st line for simply Drouin and make that trade. He is not doing his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanKeslord17 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 If we trade our core now, while the value is still good, were in good shape. We Can't wait forever like Calgary and hope things will change. They won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl's Jn Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Lebrun also thinks The Sedins are the only untouchables. and luongo... because no one wants his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tystick Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Insider trading Canucks start at 2:08 http://www.tsn.ca/vi...=72&show=285106 Lebrun-Gillis knows Nucks cant win this year <------Sedins only untouchables(guessing on NHL roster)Looking to get youngerWont make any trade for rentalOnly trade they will make is for a prospectNot giving up on season <-------Edler may be traded after Olympics Lolz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonfruits Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 and luongo... because no one wants his contract. the contract is bad for the Canucks as i understand the new cap rules the penalty will be on the Canucks when he retires plus Canucks can retain some of his salary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millerdraft Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 don't worry, i know what you meant. my point was merely that to "daigle" means to disappoint while producing at roughly the same rate as kesler, the same player whose value you're espousing so vigorously. Daigle was voted one of the league's top-three defensive forwards in the league three years in a row? I've never even seen Alexander Daigle on the Selke ballot, let alone engraved on the trophy itself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Daigle was voted one of the league's top-three defensive forwards in the league three years in a row? I've never even seen Alexander Daigle on the Selke ballot, let alone engraved on the trophy itself... who's comparing their defensive ability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tystick Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I call BS on this. I think these insiders just listen to what fans are stirring around in Van and throw out "information" to make things interesting. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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