CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I would love MG to trade Eddy to Detiot for their 1st round pick + Tomas Jurco. That kids is lights out good with skill and competes hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Sedins the only untouchables? As much as I hate to say it, our best bet would be to trade them while they still have value. Two of the greatest players in franchise history, but their time has come. I'd also say Gillis should hold on to Kassian, Tanev and Stanton. Kassian is finally emerging in to the player we all hoped he would be, it would be a mistake to trade him now. I think most of the young guys would be considered untouchable. Kassian Stanton Tanev Schroeder Dalpe If he truly is looking at a "re-tool", then he'll be keeping the young guys for sure. That said, I have zero faith in MG to actually do it, and even less to actually do it right. IN the words of Mr. Shirley "re-tooling, I'll re-tool you" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternalCanuckFan Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I don't see the Sedins leaving unless they say they want to leave which I also don't see happening. That said, I wonder if management is in a bit of a dilemma. The Sedins have embraced Torts' approach but what's not so clear is whether they are themselves capable of being productive players under his system (especially with their increased minutes). I personally have a greater appreciation for AV's bench management when he was here, even if he didn't show the same kind of intensity as Torts. They are hard to move, however, since they have always been seen as a package and a team would have to take $14M in annual salary for the next 4 years. If the Canucks trade them for a blue chip prospect, my guess is that the other team would also force Vancouver to take back salary just to make it work. Kes, on the other hand, is easier to move. I think he is a far better fit in Torts' system however (especially if his minutes can be scaled back a bit). Kes isn't producing as much (or as consistently) as fans would like but I think this is closer to what I would expect from him regularly rather than his 71+ point seasons. He brings far more to the team than just point production (when healthy) and I would be satisfied if he can produce 50-60 points while eating up the toughest minutes. He may still have a few 60+ point seasons in him. What's not certain about Kes is whether he'll be able to stay healthy. So what to do? If there's any forward in the core that's going to go I'm thinking it's Kes. The Sedins are too hard to move and what has been different this season is Burrows' lack of production and injuries. If management believes that Burr will bounce back next year with the Sedins (and they have looked decent when they have been lined up together - makes you appreciate Burr's $2M salary during his best years), I see them keeping that line and just allowing them to anchor the offence (even if they are on the decline) while the young guys are given opportunities to sink or swim. The bottom 3 lines and especially the fourth line should be played more to take down some of the Sedins' minutes. Add to this possible trades involving the D (most likely Edler but who knows who else might be available) and the Canucks may look quite different next season. I think Stanton's safe if only because of his low salary and steady play (particularly with Bieksa). Tanev may be traded but I think the management would be seeking a significant return if they were to part with him. Otherwise I think most other guys are fair game. If Edler is in fact dealt, I don't see the Canucks dealing Garrison mainly because that would remove two of their biggest weapons on the point. Between the two, Garrison has been steadier over the past two seasons (which says how badly Edler has played). Hamhuis is an interesting situation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrChill Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I think most of the young guys would be considered untouchable. Kassian Stanton Tanev Schroeder Dalpe If he truly is looking at a "re-tool", then he'll be keeping the young guys for sure. That said, I have zero faith in MG to actually do it, and even less to actually do it right. IN the words of Mr. Shirley "re-tooling, I'll re-tool you" Disagree, Dalpe Schroeder, Stanton and Tanev are all available, to upgrade offensive future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCKAHOLIC_9 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 One comment, Burrows has been having an off year, but he has been a great fit with the Sedins. They played their best this year when he was with them. Trading him won't and shouldn't happen in my opinion. yeah i agree that dude works hard. keep him another year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaches Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 If it was up to me, the untouchables would be Sedins Kesler Kassian Hamhuis Tanev Stanton Lack Then Horvat Shinkaruk Gaunce Corrado For prospects. Looking at who else, we could get a crap ton of young players, prospects and picks for guys like Bieksa, Burrows, Edler, Garrison, Higgins, Luongo (maybe) and Richardson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 So a retool, and a transition period with emphasis on youth. Basically what I've been thinking the entire season. Time for a culture change in the room, with guys likely being shipped out. Should be interesting to watch. Hopefully Gillis is smart and retains our top prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laxgoalie Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 If it was up to me, the untouchables would be Sedins Kesler Kassian Hamhuis Tanev Stanton Lack Then Horvat Shinkaruk Gaunce Corrado For prospects. Looking at who else, we could get a crap ton of young players, prospects and picks for guys like Bieksa, Burrows, Edler, Garrison, Higgins, Luongo (maybe) and Richardson. I agree with everyhitng except add Bieksa, Richardson and Santorelli to the untouchables, for me that is, so we can remain fairly competitive. So basically gutted line-up: Higgins - Kesler - Kassian Sedin - Sedin - Dalpe Booth - Richardson - Schroeder Sesito - Lain - Weise Hamhuis - Tanev Stanton - Bieksa Corrado - Weber Lack (IF we get a good deal for Luo) Eriksson Gone are: Burrows, Edler, Garisson, Luongo, Hansen, and Santorelli is injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 We will see what happens but I don't have to much faith in MG's ability to pull off a retool. He seems like he always sells with a very high asking price and wants to buy strong talent for cheap. If the other teams don't bend he just rides it into the ground. It just seems like it goes entirely against his nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Heyman Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Hansen last year is worth a 1st easily. This year his value has gone down and I could see some teams inquiring about him attempting to buy low on a very solid 3rd line winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neversummer Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 what if we hired Burke as President of Hockey Operations? Would that get some trades happening, you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Plow Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Really hope Gillis can do a strong re tool and become a contender again. The assets for guys like Hansen, Higgins, Burrows, Edler, Garrison, Richardson etc would be nice, but the NTCs make things a lot more difficult. Only players I wouldn't want to move are the Sedins, Kassian, Tanev, Stanton, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Lack and of course our prospects/picks. Would love to keep Kesler,and Luongo but if the right deal came along it's hard not to move the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 If the Canucks did have a fire sale and unloaded everyone but the Sedins for draft picks and young players they would also have the ability to take on an elite level scorer for the line probably up to the league max.That might be something to keep the fans occupied for a couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 You can only get that through the draft.... Very early in the draft. Or get very very lucky with Jensen or Shink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"Bull" Horvat Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Didn't know this was the topic to start shooting out proposals... thought it was all discussion I saw the name Garrison out there.. yeah, he's not the type of guy that we were hoping for, it's great he can replace Sami's hard shots... but I've once mentioned this: Edler needed a guy like Ehrhoff Garrison needed a guy like Campbell We don't have "that guy" It's either Edler or Garrison and provided that Garrison was such a "big" signing in the summer during FA - and being a homer Gillis is, it's best not to move guys like Garrison, Hamhuis. Bieksa is a tough part because he's been a Canuck his whole career, he has the grit and tenacity, the leadership, and a nice shot - it's simply too hard to move him. Edler has been solid. But the reality is, a young solid top 6 potential forward (like Kane/Niederreiter/Coyle) is something we have to gear up for. As much Jensen has been starting to heat up, an unknown potential to Shinkaruk, there are simply no more wingers we can provide as call up. I hope that if Gillis is gonna make a move for a young player, it's a player with speed and grit with the ability to finish on the wing. I don't see a need for centers, cause grabbing a center is more a need for this season. You have couple options to slot in as C for next season - Gaunce (Goc prototype imo)/Horvat/Fox (Shaw prototype once he's playing against men more). Then again there's Lain and possibly Labate (6'6" / or 6'7") centermens that can play on your 4th. Doubt Richardson would go anywhere. Daniel - Henrik - Burrows "young potential top 6 player"- Kesler - Kassian -Higgins- - Santorelli - Jensen Archibald - Richardson - Grenier Then you got the likes of Lain/Labate/Gaunce/Fox as fill ins We need them wingers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"Bull" Horvat Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 If the Canucks did have a fire sale and unloaded everyone but the Sedins for draft picks and young players they would also have the ability to take on an elite level scorer for the line probably up to the league max.That might be something to keep the fans occupied for a couple years. Wonder how Cody would feel if the Sedins got traded to Buffalo? Does anyone know if they have clauses in their new contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Lol @ all of you saying Hansen is not worth a 1st. Very reasonable cap hit for 4 more years after this. Definitive 3rd line winger with wheels, good for 30-40 points. Why are we even questioning this?! A mid to late round 1st most of the time won't be playing consistent minutes with the big club until 4 or 5 years after they have been drafted. See Jensen, Schroeder, Gaunce. And that's just the Canucks. Ya think a club is willing to pay that for a player who they have for 4 more years at 2.5 and will pot that many points, is defensively responsible and quick in their own zone. PUHlease. Tell me another joke!!! Also, Kesler. If he gets traded for depth, the only team I am calling is Philidelphia for Couturier and other pieces. You don't just trade a defensive specialist like that for just anybody. Kesler is the second best pker in the league. Couturier is #1. If we get that defensive specialist, we can have a second scoring center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSacamano Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 This is pure speculation, Lebrun putting two and two together. No way Gillis lets the media know what his plan is. In saying that, it's nice to hear a respected insider say it. The proverbial 'window' is closed, whether MG says it or not, he has to know it. And in my opinion, which isn't a popular one according to some posts, is Kesler needs to go. His attitude is way too big for this team and the locker room (and I'm not speculating, I've heard it from those in the know). He'll fetch a great return. Edler needs a fresh start too, just don't know if Gillis will ask him to waive so soon after signing. And finally Hansen would fetch us something DECENT. I'm not going to get involved with the back and forth of what I mean by that . But if we can offload Kesler and Edler and pick up some quality players, Hansen makes an ideal 4th liner who you can rely on and actually play for more than 3 minutes a night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckin Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 If we make a re-tool why are the Sedins not involved? They are being paid top line money and already we see a transition for them to play the 2nd line. So we over pay to bring in players that may or may not play with Kesler and deplete our D or key role playing players in the process. Gillis will sit on his hands till the end of the year when the value of our players is hopefully better. We are still in the hunt,so why not see it through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 This is pure speculation, Lebrun putting two and two together. No way Gillis lets the media know what his plan is. In saying that, it's nice to hear a respected insider say it. The proverbial 'window' is closed, whether MG says it or not, he has to know it. So other teams can call Gillis and ask him what he wants for the players available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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