Jordan Schroeder

[Goal:thecup]

Schroeder has skill. End of story. We don't have anything else except Jensen that is ready unless others are ahead of schedule.

Saying he is unsuited is kinda like playing a game of cards and taking your best card and throwing it against the wall and then continuing the game trying to win.

Some of you Canuck fans are so fickle.

Yeah I bet people said that about St.louis too. Small players do play on the big stage and contribute according to their strengths. I remember watching the Canucks in 96-98. We were the toughest team out there. We beat every team up every game. It was smash mouth hockey. We won every fight but couldn't win a game to save our life. We are not tough and we lack skill lol!And youth we can infuse into our line up this year.

In fact your comments almost sound prejudice to smaller people. Almost.

Yours definately sounds prejudice.

These players live with this stigma their whole lives. I wonder why.

There are plenty of small centers in the league. Cmon, I checked the first team Anahaim and they are a contender. They have three small centers listed at 5'10 and 180ish pounds. That was the first team I checked. And Jordan is 1 inch shorter same weight.

Win what with speed and skill? I seem to remember the blackhawks won it last year. Detroit won it. Pittsburg won it. All with speed and skill. So did Boston and LA. Everyone wins with speed and skill. And no will ever win it without.

Oh

Sorry I just keep responding to unintelligent posts. I would say less if the people posting put some real thought into the lineup we have and the prospects we have.

We have no Patrick Kane or Sidney Crosby, Marion Gaborik or Claude Giroux, St. Louis, Datsyuk,etc that would resemble a skill player coming up the ranks. We will never be able to rebuild and be an elite team in the future unless we can find something.

Which is why we need Nylander with our 6th overall pick. Maybe Shinkurak. Our forwards are all projected 2nd or 3rd line power guys. Above average size players except maybe Fox. Not high skill guys like the aforementioned. Which is why we need to give Schroeder a shot.

Oh wow someone in the playoffs smaller than JS scored the game winner in game 5 of the stanley cup finals. Hmm but It must not count cause he is too small.

You go from ridiculous to incomprehensible yet accuse others (including me) of "unintelligent posts".

Even ignoring all your errors (spelling, punctuation, capitalization, grammar, etc.), your posts are laughable in content, self-contradictory, and suffer from your frenetic ranting.

We get it; you want JS to get another chance.

He probably will get a very good chance to showcase his skills.

I hope he does because his trade value right now is very low.

[Googs]

You go from ridiculous to incomprehensible yet accuse others (including me) of "unintelligent posts".Even ignoring all your errors (spelling, punctuation, capitalization, grammar, etc.), your posts are laughable in content, self-contradictory, and suffer from your frenetic ranting.We get it; you want JS to get another chance.He probably will get a very good chance to showcase his skills.I hope he does because his trade value right now is very low.

And what exactly is your point. Wow!

[Googs]

Maybe, but lots of teams ( Vcr included) always played the first forward back become the centre on defense. But I can't see Schroeder winning many battles on the wall. Here's the conundrum do you jettison that skill level

Seriously, can you tell me what is different from JS and other players in the league? You seem to be saying because he is small he cannot play for our team. Do you realize there are other players smaller than him and about the same size on contending teams? There is no conundrum. We have to play him for a season to see what we have.

Like I said in an earlier post why would any GM worth their salt take a guy who was drated 5 years ago in the first round of this young man's ilk; who has been been injured the last two seasons; who has played barely over half of a season; who played well under AV and cast him off, again, after waiting five years.

To me that sounds like a perfect recipe for other GM's to grab on to.

You are a fickle Canuck fan.

[alfstonker]

"Win what with speed and skill? I seem to remember the blackhawks won it last year. Detroit won it. Pittsburg won it. All with speed and skill. So did Boston and LA. Everyone wins with speed and skill. And no will ever win it without."

Maybe you want to list small, fairly speedy, fairly skilled, players in these teams and I will show you they were hard as nails.

Schroeder is not a flyer and is not as far as I've seen some great stick handling dangler. You are giving the impression we are talking about Bure here. Seriously, we are not.

The guy has no presence on the ice. He may acquire some but he doesn't look like he will, unless as I've said, Utica give him something extra.

To compare him to MSL who was undrafted and had to graft his way to the NHL via the school of hard knocks, is pushing it a bit.

[Baggins]

His injuries hurt his development. From being the all-time leading goal scorer for the US World Junior team.. I saw some upside.. He just hasn't been able to stay healthy once turning pro and won't catch stride.

At best, I would give him a 2 year 2-way contract. I wouldn't be sad to see him go though.

A two way contract won't make any difference. That only means he gets paid less to play in the minors. He'd still have to clear waivers and I doubt he would.

[RonMexico]

Like I said in an earlier post why would any GM worth their salt take a guy who was drated 5 years ago in the first round of this young man's ilk; who has been been injured the last two seasons; who has played barely over half of a season; who played well under AV and cast him off, again, after waiting five years.

To me that sounds like a perfect recipe for other GM's to grab on to.

You are a fickle Canuck fan.

Or they could see him as a waste of time, effort and money to try anything with as he hasn't shown anything much in 5 years.

As far as I am concerned, if you have been to 4-5 training camps and have yet to establish yourself as a NHL pro, then you aren't going to. There are hungrier, younger players coming along who want that job just as much as he does. Your shelf life as a prospect is short regardless of your perceived talent.

[Goal:thecup]

And what exactly is your point. Wow!

I am not at all surprised that you are unable to understand my post or anything else for that matter.

My point is that your posts are full of errors, contradict themselves, and come across like shotgun blasts of stupidity yet you attack others as unintelligent.

Quit calling people names and quit typing without thinking if you want to be taken seriously.

Content: JS will probably get a very good chance to crack the lineup, especially if/when Kesler is traded. On paper, with Kesler gone, he may be our 2nd line centre but he better perform because there is a good list of centres already gunning for his spot without considering new acquisitions that might yet be realized. And for the umpteenth time, I hope he shows well so we can get something for him in a trade.

[Googs]

"Win what with speed and skill? I seem to remember the blackhawks won it last year. Detroit won it. Pittsburg won it. All with speed and skill. So did Boston and LA. Everyone wins with speed and skill. And no will ever win it without."

Maybe you want to list small, fairly speedy, fairly skilled, players in these teams and I will show you they were hard as nails.

Schroeder is not a flyer and is not as far as I've seen some great stick handling dangler. You are giving the impression we are talking about Bure here. Seriously, we are not.

The guy has no presence on the ice. He may acquire some but he doesn't look like he will, unless as I've said, Utica give him something extra.

To compare him to MSL who was undrafted and had to graft his way to the NHL via the school of hard knocks, is pushing it a bit.

2004 Tampa Bay - Martin St. Loius

2005 Nhl Lockout

2006 Carolina Hurricanes - Chad Larose, Mark Recchi, Keith Aucoin, Ray Whitney

2007 Anahaim Ducks - Todd Marchant, Andy Mcdonald, Ryan Shannon

2008 Detroit Redwings - Kris Draper, Jiri Huddler, Brent Lebda, Bryan Rafalski

2009 Pittsburg Penguins - 7 guys 5'11

2010 Chicago Black Hawks - Bryan Campbell, Andrew Ebbett

2011 Boston Bruins - Mark Recchi, Brad Marchand

2012 Los Angeles Kings - Andre Loktionov

2013 Chicago Black Hawks - Andrew Shaw

There you go.

[Googs]

I am not at all surprised that you are unable to understand my post or anything else for that matter.My point is that your posts are full of errors, contradict themselves, and come across like shotgun blasts of stupidity yet you attack others as unintelligent.Quit calling people names and quit typing without thinking if you want to be taken seriously.Content: JS will probably get a very good chance to crack the lineup, especially if/when Kesler is traded. On paper, with Kesler gone, he may be our 2nd line centre but he better perform because there is a good list of centres already gunning for his spot without considering new acquisitions that might yet be realized. And for the umpteenth time, I hope he shows well so we can get something for him in a trade.

Whatever.

That being said I agree we need to give him ice time this year. If we do and Benning/Linden decide they don't want this type of player as their second line center at least it gives us another year for our prospects like Gaunce and Horvat etc. to get ready for the nhl. Then we can actually get something for him or maybe he proves some people wrong like small players have a pension to do and prove he is a keeper.

And I will reiterate: what we currently have in our lineup have reached their ceiling as third line players. The only guys that might be able to crack the line up imo are Kassian and Jensen on the second line. I do find that doubtfull. There is no one established for our second line. Or one of the young guys is ahead of schedule and tears it up unexpectedly.

This is why we can try out Schroeder, cause we don't have anything else unless of course through a Kesler trade (in which reports are saying he will be traded this summer) we get a player(s) coming back the other way more established.

But as it stands he is our best option and a necessary risk.

[Googs]

Or they could see him as a waste of time, effort and money to try anything with as he hasn't shown anything much in 5 years.

As far as I am concerned, if you have been to 4-5 training camps and have yet to establish yourself as a NHL pro, then you aren't going to. There are hungrier, younger players coming along who want that job just as much as he does. Your shelf life as a prospect is short regardless of your perceived talent.

He did make the team the last two years. He suffered from injuries. I do not know how much more plain I and other guys in this forum can be about this.

I do seem to remember this very thing happening with Cody Hodgson. People said he is too slow. I wonder were you one of those fickle fans that thought we should get rid of him? I seem to remember people not giving respect to him either. I am sorry half a season in the Nhl is not enough especially given we do not have any better options other than what we already know is mediocre.

[Googs]

Let's take look of all the first round players we traded away that went on to have NHL careers.

Cam Neely 9th overall 13 seasons

JJ Daignauelt 10th overall 17 seasons

Bryan Allen 4rth overall 15 seasons and counting

Rj Umberger 16th overall 10 seasons and counting

Cory Schneider 26th overall 6 seasons and counting

Michael Grabner 14th overall 5 seasons and counting

Cody Hodgson 10th overall 4 seasons and counting

Jordan Schroeder ?????

[Gerbera]

Let's take look of all the first round players we traded away that went on to have NHL careers.

Cam Neely 9th overall 13 seasons

JJ Daignauelt 10th overall 17 seasons

Bryan Allen 4rth overall 15 seasons and counting

Rj Umberger 16th overall 10 seasons and counting

Cory Schneider 26th overall 6 seasons and counting

Michael Grabner 14th overall 5 seasons and counting

Cody Hodgson 10th overall 4 seasons and counting

Jordan Schroeder ?????

Well... what about Patrick White?

I mean.. there's bound to be busts in one team's draft no matter the position.

Hopefully Schroeder is not.

[Western Red]

Of our 13 RFAs I'd keep Archibald, Sauve, Polasek.

Then have Tanev, Kass and Schroeder on 1 ways.

Year at a time for JS. Tanev will probably take another one year, and we should give Kass 3 @3m

Cannata, Andersson..

[RonMexico]

He did make the team the last two years. He suffered from injuries. I do not know how much more plain I and other guys in this forum can be about this.

I do seem to remember this very thing happening with Cody Hodgson. People said he is too slow. I wonder were you one of those fickle fans that thought we should get rid of him? I seem to remember people not giving respect to him either. I am sorry half a season in the Nhl is not enough especially given we do not have any better options other than what we already know is mediocre.

For a team that is STARVING for secondary scoring and had multiple openings all year in the top 6 due to injury, he didn't bring anything worth while to the team. Speed alone does not make you a good player. His production sucked. He scored 3 goals, 2 in one game. Players who want it, take the chances given to them. JS had as good as chance as he could have had last season and came up empty.

[Googs]

Well... what about Patrick White?

I mean.. there's bound to be busts in one team's draft no matter the position.

Hopefully Schroeder is not.

Schroeder is nothing like Patrick White. The major difference is the kid was a highschool pick or something like that and plainly just a bad pick and Schroeder was the highest scoring american bord world junior player in their history. The upsides are totally different. And white never improved in college, he never progressed and we knew he was a bust before he left college.

[Googs]

For a team that is STARVING for secondary scoring and had multiple openings all year in the top 6 due to injury, he didn't bring anything worth while to the team. Speed alone does not make you a good player. His production sucked. He scored 3 goals, 2 in one game. Players who want it, take the chances given to them. JS had as good as chance as he could have had last season and came up empty.

Actually torts by seasons end played him under 10 mins a game and then down to 3 mins and then press box. Because he was not suited for the game he wanted the Canucks to play. I hate to break the obvious to you; but, the entire team was not suited for the way Torts wanted them to play. If you throw Schroeder under the bus then you have to throw the rest of the team under the bus.

Bottom line: cut the kid some slack he played for a horrible coach. People were not saying the same thing when he played for AV. Cut the kid some slack he has not been given a chance to play a full year with some good players. HE WAS INJURED THE PAST 2 YEARS. He has not gotten into top form and this year he has the summer to get ready, God willing he starts the season and does not get injured so we can truly see what we have.

For goodness sakes this is driving me crazy, can't people see it.... we have nothing else.....the players we have are good third liners and not good second liners, and the numbers prove it. And the prospects we have are most likely not ready. WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE, WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE....CAUSE WE SUCK...DIDN'T YOU WATCH THE SECOND HALF OF THE SEASON....DID YOU NOTICE WE DID NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS CAUSE WE SUCK.

I cannot understand how some of you Canuck fans think we can magically find three second line players. Kesler will be gone and we will have 3 2nd line positions to fill. And if you think we can resign Santorelli and move up Higgins you have to take a closer look at other teams in the league and see we don't match up. And the numbers prove it: we would be average at best.

[R4ff]

Of our 13 RFAs I'd keep Archibald, Sauve, Polasek.Then have Tanev, Kass and Schroeder on 1 ways.Year at a time for JS. Tanev will probably take another one year, and we should give Kass 3 @3mCannata, Andersson..

Polasek's contract was terminated so he could return to the Czech league.

[Googs]

A team that has a good second line points wise are as follows:

LW 42 Points

RW 45 Points

C 53 Points

Out team outside our first line career highs are as follows:

Higgins LW 43 points and 52 points accomplished 2 out of nine seasons

Booth LW 60 points accomplished once in 1 out of 8 seasons

Kassian RW 29 points highest total

Richardson RW/C 27 points highest total

Hansen RW 39 points highest total in 6 seasons

Santorelli C 41 points highest in 5 seasons

Matthias C 24 points highest in 5 seasons

I am sorry to all you fickle Canuck fans out there but we just don't have the skill. So Schroeder is here to stay at least one year cause of his skill.

[Provost]

... will not be qualified.

That is all.

[Googs]

... will not be qualified.

That is all.

....you are wrong.

That is all.