YesWeCanNux Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Just curious to see some opinions on this topic. Whenever people consider the top 5 players in the game I find Crosby and Malkin enter into that converaavtion more often than Toews and Kane. Not to say that Toews and Kane don't join those debates but it seems more widely thought that Malkin Crosby > Toews Kane. If we had those 2 players switch teams how many cups do you think Pitt would win and how many would Chicago win ? Note: This isn't a knock on any other these players. I would take them all in a heart beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Just curious to see some opinions on this topic. Whenever people consider the top 5 players in the game I find Crosby and Malkin enter into that converaavtion more often than Toews and Kane. Not to say that Toews and Kane don't join those debates but it seems more widely thought that Malkin Crosby > Toews Kane. If we had those 2 players switch teams how many cups do you think Pitt would win and how many would Chicago win ? Note: This isn't a knock on any other these players. I would take them all in a heart beat.Toews > Malkin Crosby > Kane Playoffs: Toews and Kane > Crosby and Malkin Regular Season: Crosby and Malkin > Toews and Kane Crosby and Malkin just don't have the support that Kane and Toews do. Also, don't forget the Penguins made the finals 2 years in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas19 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Just throwing this out there, but the perception that Malkin and Crosby don't do well in the playoffs is completely false. http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-players-all-time-playoff-points-per-game-leaders.html Crosby is 7th, Malkin 13th. If Crosby and Malkin had the support that Kane and Toews had I think they would have 1 more Cup (so 4 Cups total). They would have won in 2014 instead of losing to the Kings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesWeCanNux Posted July 11, 2015 Author Share Posted July 11, 2015 Just throwing this out there, but the perception that Malkin and Crosby don't do well in the playoffs is completely false. http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-players-all-time-playoff-points-per-game-leaders.html Crosby is 7th, Malkin 13th. If Crosby and Malkin had the support that Kane and Toews had I think they would have 1 more Cup (so 4 Cups total). They would have won in 2014 instead of losing to the Kings. I agree. They had some bad goaltending preformances which hurts their playoff win ratio but that is hardly in their control. All 4 are great players and I think we have cup wins for both even if we swapped their teams. Also to the above poster I think the more fair comparison would be Crosby vs Toews and Malkin vs Kane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Not sure why this is in the Proposals forum; it should have gone in the Polls sub-forum of Around the NHL (and had a poll added of course). Each has their strengths and weaknesses and it's hard to fully judge them apart from the support and teams they've had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Toews and Kane have been put in better positions to succeed throughout their careers than than Crosby and Malkin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Toews and Kane have been put in better positions to succeed throughout their careers than than Crosby and Malkin. I agree, but it wouldn't say that will be true after this year. Crosby/Kessel, Malkin/Perron SHOULD be a force next year, that combined with Maatta, Pouliot, Letang and i think Pittsburgh is better set for the future than Chicago is as of now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 I agree, but it wouldn't say that will be true after this year. Crosby/Kessel, Malkin/Perron SHOULD be a force next year, that combined with Maatta, Pouliot, Letang and i think Pittsburgh is better set for the future than Chicago is as of nowPerhaps, but I don't think highly of Rutherford. Hopefully he doesn't mess it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 These four players are all undeniably skilled. I think the difference is Toews leadership ability, especially after the Olympics when Crosby asked Toews about the captaincy of our Canadian squad. I do not think Crosby is in the same class leadership wise as Toews, and it is evident in how the team plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.53 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Crosby and Malkin over Toews and Kane. They are just overall better players than Toews and Kane. The thing about the blackhawks is that it isn't just Toews and Kane. It's been Toews, Kane, Kieth, Seabrook, Hossa, and Sharp. Even Corey crawford at times, and back in the day, Byflugien, Versteeg, Ladd, etc. Pittsburgh just simply does not have the team Chicago has had, nobody has. And somehow, they have managed to keep injuries to a minimum as well, which with a team like that, if they can stay healthy, uh oh. It always bothers me when people give players more credit/call them better than others, based on the fact that they win. Yes, they are the franchise players, but they don't win cups without that crazy good team walking out of the lockeroom behind them. I completely stand by this statement that if you swap Toews and Kane with Crosby and Malkin, and put them on the blackhawks instead, you would be getting 3 cups in 6 years. However, I will admit that Johnny Toews is the best leader of the 4, and by far... That is a quality that should not be overlooked. Still, I say Crosby and Malkin are better than Toews and Kane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxieMan98 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Toews > Malkin, Crosby, Kane but Malkin,Crosby> Toews, Kane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueberries Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Crosby, Malkin >> Toews, Kane Crosby>>Toews Toews>Malkin Crosby>>Kane Malkin>Kane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skolozsy2 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Last 1:30 of the game, you need a goal, and you can only have three of the four out there.....who would you sit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesWeCanNux Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 I agree with so much of what has been written above but I can't agree with it all. Pittsburg hasn't been a BAD team by any means. They have had Kunitz Neal letang hornqvist Perron Staal etc etc. AND they have played in a much easier eastern conference. I'm not sure people give enough credit to Chicago for who they have gotten through to win. Their finals haven't been their toughest matches in all 3 cup wins IMO. We will obviously never know but I think if we swapped these 4 player we likely see at least 1 more finals appearance for a Toews-Kane led Pittsburg squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Weasel Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 No one gets it done more than Toews and Kane. They elevate their game when their team needs them the most. However, having Duncan Keith is the X-Factor. I don't see the Hawks winning all of these cups without Duncan Keith, as much as I despise him. Fleury is a huge headcase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I agree, but it wouldn't say that will be true after this year. Crosby/Kessel, Malkin/Perron SHOULD be a force next year, that combined with Maatta, Pouliot, Letang and i think Pittsburgh is better set for the future than Chicago is as of now i disagree hawks have that finland right winger who should break out next yr plus a timeless hossa i think pens miss playoffs again that team is a bunch of overrated greedy cancer like attitudes in the room plus rest of team is ahl quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonny_Bohonos_14 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 While we could beat this to death, the real difference maker is Keith and Seabrooke >> Anyone Pittsburgh has had in the past 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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