etsen3 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Jimayo said: You can go by simple minded memes and I will continue to go by the statistical measures that show social democracies have do the american dream much better then america. I'd rather increase social mobility, decrease wealth inequality, decrease poverty, decrease crime and recidivism, etc. The nordic model works. Indeed, Bernie's proposals are not all that radical taken in a global context. Most of this stuff has been done already and has been shown to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 6 minutes ago, etsen3 said: Indeed, Bernie's proposals are not all that radical taken in a global context. Most of this stuff has been done already and has been shown to work. I think the question is can it work for a country of 300+ million people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surtur Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 2 hours ago, thejazz97 said: I think the question is can it work for a country of 300+ million people? Well what they have been doing to date hasn't really been working to well either. So worth a shot I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, surtur said: Well what they have been doing to date hasn't really been working to well either. So worth a shot I say. What they have been doing to date hasn't worked you say? That is totally debatable, I'm not sure how old you're but their system infact has worked well in the past actually very well. You are likely looking with in the last 20 years.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said: What they have been doing to date hasn't worked you say? That is totally debatable, I'm not sure how old you're but their system infact has worked well in the past actually very well. You are likely looking with in the last 20 years.. The last 20 years would be more accurate data than the years before them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: The last 20 years would be more accurate data than the years before them... Well the op said "to date" which isn't accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 12 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Well the op said "to date" which isn't accurate. That's fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucklehead Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 That'd be good for any of them to pull off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapefruits Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 14 hours ago, Jimayo said: You can go by simple minded memes and I will continue to go by the statistical measures that show social democracies have do the american dream much better then america. I'd rather increase social mobility, decrease wealth inequality, decrease poverty, decrease crime and recidivism, etc. The nordic model works. Ah statistics. The numbers that are easily manipulated to fit an agenda. It really doesn't matter who wins, the average American gets screwed no matter what. Election promises sound good on paper, then reality kicks in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Grapefruits said: Ah statistics. The numbers that are easily manipulated to fit an agenda. It really doesn't matter who wins, the average American gets screwed no matter what. Election promises sound good on paper, then reality kicks in. Obama is a perfect example.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jimayo Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 21 hours ago, thejazz97 said: I think the question is can it work for a country of 300+ million people? Which is a dumb question. There's no reason to assume it can't scale and yet morons do over and over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimayo Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 8 hours ago, Grapefruits said: Ah statistics. The numbers that are easily manipulated to fit an agenda. It really doesn't matter who wins, the average American gets screwed no matter what. Election promises sound good on paper, then reality kicks in. Mindless ignorant drivel. You can stick your head up your ass all you want but it won't fundamentally change the underlying reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Jimayo said: Which is a dumb question. There's no reason to assume it can't scale and yet morons do over and over and over. Lmao the socialists attitude, the majority of you're morons while the few of us are right. I mean just look at our track record in Canada, we screwed B.C in the 90's, we nearly bankrupt Ontario, we raised taxes so high that Saskatchewan had no big box businesses, oh and in Manitoba we are on the verge of getting tossed out for raising the pst again. Great track record.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 25 minutes ago, Jimayo said: Which is a dumb question. There's no reason to assume it can't scale and yet morons do over and over and over. Not necessarily, considering the US has over 1.5x Switzerland's and Norway's debt per person, 2x Finland's and Denmark's debt per person, and almost 2.5x Sweden's debt per person. I like Sanders, I like the idea of socialism (not NDP, though), but questioning America's ability to go from capitalist to socialist over one presidency term - if Sanders makes it that far - isn't dumb, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: Not necessarily, considering the US has over 1.5x Switzerland's and Norway's debt per person, 2x Finland's and Denmark's debt per person, and almost 2.5x Sweden's debt per person. I like Sanders, I like the idea of socialism (not NDP, though), but questioning America's ability to go from capitalist to socialist over one presidency term - if Sanders makes it that far - isn't dumb, IMO. You have really flip flopped.. Didn't your dad run for the Conservatives? I wonder how he feels about you supporting socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Just now, Ryan Strome said: You have really flip flopped.. Didn't your dad run for the Conservatives? I wonder how he feels about you supporting socialism. Heh. I'm somewhere in the middle between left, right, and socialism. My parents know that I support Trudeau and that I would have also supported Harper had he won. That being said, I also know that Canada will be massively in debt if our PM keeps handing out cash like he is, more than we would have been under Harper. As far as America goes for me, it's Rand Paul > John Kasich > Bernie Sanders > the rest. I think a rational republican is what America needs, but Paul and Kasich stand relatively no chance against anyone else. I don't even think Paul was in the last debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimayo Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said: Lmao the socialists attitude, the majority of you're morons while the few of us are right. I mean just look at our track record in Canada, we screwed B.C in the 90's, we nearly bankrupt Ontario, we raised taxes so high that Saskatchewan had no big box businesses, oh and in Manitoba we are on the verge of getting tossed out for raising the pst again. Great track record.. It's called statistics. Measurable stats trump your vague doom and gloom predictions. Norway tops all the drivers of what makes a democracy great for the majority. Whether you want to believe it or not is still irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimayo Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 27 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: Not necessarily, considering the US has over 1.5x Switzerland's and Norway's debt per person, 2x Finland's and Denmark's debt per person, and almost 2.5x Sweden's debt per person. I like Sanders, I like the idea of socialism (not NDP, though), but questioning America's ability to go from capitalist to socialist over one presidency term - if Sanders makes it that far - isn't dumb, IMO. He's not going full blown socialist, or even full blown democratic socialist. But taking some major steps in the right direction. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with his actual plan before trying to critique it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Jimayo said: He's not going full blown socialist, or even full blown democratic socialist. But taking some major steps in the right direction. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with his actual plan before trying to critique it. I thought I did. He's planning taxes on Wall Street (only bit I really remember though) as well as other things. I should probably go over it again. Even still, a capitalist America would not approve of this as much as other people would, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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