LaBamba Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 minute ago, WhoseTruckWasIt said: Let's go back in time and rectify. Real hot topic here. Did anyone even know this stuff? Did I cut you? I'm sorry. Maybe we should all just ignore it and call JB a guy who builds through the draft without anything to back up such a claim. We will never be a successful build on the fly team because we either don't have the patience to let our players take all the necessary steps, or don't have the patience to hold onto our picks and let the cycle take place. We build through trades and free agency. That is the way we have been doing things for a decade. Who has owned this team for a decade? What a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Just now, LaBamba said: Did I cut you? I'm sorry. Maybe we should all just ignore it and call JB a guy who builds through the draft without anything to back up such a claim. We will never be a successful build on the fly team because we either don't have the patience to let our players take all the necessary steps, or don't have the patience to hold onto our picks and let the cycle take place. We build through trades and free agency. That is the way we have been doing things for a decade. Who has owned this team for a decade? What a coincidence. Yeah, let's look back over the past 10 years and then crucify the guy who had nothing to do with it, because he traded a pick. As I said, VERY hot topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: oh dude... http://www.vancourier.com/pass-it-to-bulis/the-prospector-brock-boeser-is-better-than-ever-1.2373685 Oh yes, he will go straight to the NHL. So exclude him from the Comet list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Maybe we need a new post about our college forward prospects? The sun's rising folks, Benning has done a good job here. Boeser, Gaudette and Lockwood are all lighting it up. Boeser will be here for sure, and now Gaudette is looking like he's making the next step. Add that to Bo, Jake, Rodin, Granlund, and Baer and we should have some speedy scoring lines sooner than later. And that's on top of the very solid D and goaltending we have that TO doesn't. In the meantime each year I'm getting better and better seats as ship jumpers vacate their season ticket spots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 minute ago, WhoseTruckWasIt said: Yeah, let's look back over the past 10 years and then crucify the guy who had nothing to do with it, because he traded a pick. As I said, VERY hot topic. I see nothing in his actions that rectify these dysfunctions of the last 10 years. He is following suit as far as I can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 minute ago, LaBamba said: Oh yes, he will go straight to the NHL. So exclude him from the Comet list. Ah. I broke the OP rule there. Oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, WhoseTruckWasIt said: So...12 years ago....doesn't count for whatever reason. So your point is....let me guess. Is it that the team you wish you knew how to cheer for is actually a steaming pile of Surrey? Is that where you're going with this? Clever guy. Hansen doesn't count. Sure. If he's going to discount the previous regime's' core' then he also needs to take in to context of the team during that regime. When we were winning Preisdent's trophies and going to cup finals 5 years ago, understandably we were converting futures for assets to help with contending. Hence why presently we don't have a lot of home grown talent from that time frame. Doesn't help that the few 1st rounders we did have were more misses than hits. Still, despite that it looks like we might salvage something out of Rodin from 2nd round in 2009 and Connauton also turned in to an NHL'er (traded) Schroeder clearly was a 'miss'. 2010 we didn't have a pick until the 4th round... 2011 Jensen is another 'miss', Labate seems to be possibly bearing some fruit from the 4th and Corrado from the 5th is a marginal NHL'er 2012 we have our very own Gaunce who was brought along like clock work and Hutton in the 5th. Things start looking better for our drafting/development this year. By no coincidence, this is also the year the luster of the old core started to tarnish. Funny that correlation.... 2013 never mind luster, we started seeing serious cracks and a need to replenish and lo and behold we get future captain Horvat, Shink (converted to Granlund), and still developing Subban and Cassels. 2014 We have Virtanen, McCann (converted to Gudbranson), future #1 Demko, Tryamkin and Forsling (traded and in CHI). 2015 see us get future likely 1RW Boeser, Brisebois, Zhukenov, Neill, Gaudette, Jasek and Olson. Clearly those guys are still largely TBD but most are loking promising to some degree or another. Largely the same story for 2016 with Juolevi, Lockwood, Candella, Stukel, Abols, McKenzie. What people should notice is that those last few years have seen a decided up swing in quality and quantity. Most of those guys are either still in Jr., playing in college or are already on the NHL team. They're still developing. AKA, we can't actually make any determination at how good we are or aren't at developing players for another ~3+ years. PATIENCE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, LaBamba said: Oh yes, he will go straight to the NHL. So exclude him from the Comet list. Which makes a tonne of sense. Of course we should limit ourselves to AHL grads. The Canucks are the worst. I hate life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, LaBamba said: I see nothing in his actions that rectify these dysfunctions of the last 10 years. He is following suit as far as I can see. At least you're being fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, J.R. said: If he's going to discount the previous regime's' core' then he also needs to take in to context of the team during that regime. When we were winning Preisdent's trophies and going to cup finals 5 years ago, understandably we were converting futures for assets to help with contending. Hence why presently we don't have a lot of home grown talent from that time frame. Doesn't help that the few 1st rounders we did have were more misses than hits. Still, despite that it looks like we might salvage something out of Rodin from 2nd round in 2009 and Connauton also turned in to an NHL'er (traded) Schroeder clearly was a 'miss'. 2010 we didn't have a pick until the 4th round... 2011 Jensen is another 'miss', Labate seems to be possibly bearing some fruit from the 4th and Corrado from the 5th is a marginal NHL'er 2012 we have our very own Gaunce who was brought along like clock work and Hutton in the 5th. Things start looking better for our drafting/development this year. By no coincidence, this is also the year the luster of the old core started to tarnish. Funny that correlation.... 2013 never mind luster, we started seeing serious cracks and a need to replenish and lo and behold we get future captain Horvat, Shink (converted to Granlund), and still developing Subban and Cassels. 2014 We have Virtanen, McCann (converted to Gudbranson), future #1 Demko, Tryamkin and Forsling (traded and in CHI). 2015 see us get future likely 1RW Boeser, Brisebois, Zhukenov, Neill, Gaudette, Jasek and Olson. Clearly those guys are still largely TBD but most are loking promising to some degree or another. Largely the same story for 2016 with Juolevi, Lockwood, Candella, Stukel, Abols, McKenzie. What people should notice is that those last few years have seen a decided up swing in quality and quantity. Most of those guys are either still in Jr., playing in college or are already on the NHL team. They're still developing. AKA, we can't actually make any determination at how good we are or aren't at developing players for another ~3+ years. PATIENCE. Yeah...but Benning traded a pick you know. How does that jive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, J.R. said: If he's going to discount the previous regime's' core' then he also needs to take in to context of the team during that regime. When we were winning Preisdent's trophies and going to cup finals 5 years ago, understandably we were converting futures for assets to help with contending. Hence why presently we don't have a lot of home grown talent from that time frame. Doesn't help that the few 1st rounders we did have were more misses than hits. Still, despite that it looks like we might salvage something out of Rodin from 2nd round in 2009 and Connauton also turned in to an NHL'er (traded) Schroeder clearly was a 'miss'. 2010 we didn't have a pick until the 4th round... 2011 Jensen is another 'miss', Labate seems to be possibly bearing some fruit from the 4th and Corrado from the 5th is a marginal NHL'er 2012 we have our very own Gaunce who was brought along like clock work and Hutton in the 5th. Things start looking better for our drafting/development this year. By no coincidence, this is also the year the luster of the old core started to tarnish. Funny that correlation.... 2013 never mind luster, we started seeing serious cracks and a need to replenish and lo and behold we get future captain Horvat, Shink (converted to Granlund), and still developing Subban and Cassels. 2014 We have Virtanen, McCann (converted to Gudbranson), future #1 Demko, Tryamkin and Forsling (traded and in CHI). 2015 see us get future likely 1RW Boeser, Brisebois, Zhukenov, Neill, Gaudette, Jasek and Olson. Clearly those guys are still largely TBD but most are loking promising to some degree or another. Largely the same story for 2016 with Juolevi, Lockwood, Candella, Stukel, Abols, McKenzie. What people should notice is that those last few years have seen a decided up swing in quality and quantity. Most of those guys are either still in Jr., playing in college or are already on the NHL team. They're still developing. AKA, we can't actually make any determination at how good we are or aren't at developing players for another ~3+ years. PATIENCE. You don't know they are upswings. The majority were taken at the back half of the draft. Let's get realistic with our expectations here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 17 minutes ago, LaBamba said: This is a legitimate concern. If we are talking about full cycle development, draft, full Jr time, then through the AHL and up the lineup it's Gaunce then Hansen. Don't expect this to change too much. We trade away picks that are in that Comet sweet spot in the late 1st - 3rd rounds. Even if we hold onto our picks this year we will likely have a forward hole made to cover holes right now. We iced our worst offence in a decade and drafted William Lockwood as our first forward. Let that soak in. Marinate in that. Patience... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, LaBamba said: You don't know they are upswings. The majority were taken at the back half of the draft. Let's get realistic with our expectations here. Horvat, Granlund, Virtanen, Gudbranson, Boeser and Juolevi aren't 1st round returns improvements on Schroeder, nothing until the 4th round and Jensen...?! Are you daft?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, WhoseTruckWasIt said: Which makes a tonne of sense. Of course we should limit ourselves to AHL grads. The Canucks are the worst. I hate life. What the hell are you talking about? The Op is pointing out, (subliminally) that we have 1 full cycle Utica Comet on our team. That's Ghetto. If you look at the comets is not going to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, LaBamba said: You don't know they are upswings. The majority were taken at the back half of the draft. Let's get super negative about everything. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, LaBamba said: What the hell are you talking about? The Op is pointing out, (subliminally) that we have 1 full cycle Utica Comet on our team. That's Ghetto. If you look at the comets is not going to get better. Ever think to look at why? Most of the guys who will develop there are still in Jr. or playing in college. Pretty tough for them to be on the Comets presently, isn't it? How did this fan base become such impatient drama queens? It's embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, LaBamba said: What the hell are you talking about? The Op is pointing out, (subliminally) that we have 1 full cycle Utica Comet on our team. That's Ghetto. If you look at the comets is not going to get better. Yeah...a myopic observation applied to an unsupported, and nevertheless predetermined, conclusion. (Not exactly subliminal. Pretty much a blatant agenda that every member here would know to expect from this poster). Actually I may have misread something through all my tears. I'm sobbing about the prospect pool and burning up with angst about Benning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, J.R. said: Horvat, Granlund, Virtanen, Gudbranson, Boeser and Juolevi aren't improvements on Schroeder, nothing until the 4th round and Jensen...?! Are you daft?! We are talking about the prospect pool. Our prospect pool is the Utica Comets because it's all we can use, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Just now, LaBamba said: We are talking about the prospect pool. Our prospect pool is the Utica Comets because it's all we can use, right? Wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 minute ago, J.R. said: Ever think to look at why? Most of the guys who will develop there are still in Jr. or playing in college. Pretty tough for them to be on the Comets presently, isn't it? How did this fan base become such impatient drama queens? It's embarrassing. Having a strong farm team for call ups is part of his job JR. We are living paycheque to paycheque with no money in the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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